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#61 williamsnrb

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:41 AM

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View PostBingo1976, on 09 April 2018 - 01:38 AM, said:

I'm not a fan or Reid's (those shirts alone are modified trash bags) but he should be allowed to have made mistakes in his youth. None of us are perfect, and we'd all do well to remember that. I rolled my ball once in a junior comp and got DQd. I never did it again and I'm not proud of it today. I've also done enough dumb drunken things to write a novel about -  but I am fortunate enough to be so devoid of talent that I will never be newsworthy for people to drag up 20 year old drunken conquests to splash over TMZ and the like.

I thank God every day that I went to college before Twitter and cell phone cameras existed. Otherwise I think of all the ways my life could have really gone off track. Just that so much of this strikes me as after the fact trash. Who knows how things really did or didnt happen. His teammates I guess. But I dont recall these guys saying anything *while* they were winning two national titles. Were any of them running him down or writing articles or tweeting about it *while* there were in the middle of picking up two national championships and Reed going 6-0 in match play?

Maybe they did but I dont remember it. Lots of this after the fact though, running a guy down every time he's in the spotlight. And again, could be right, could be wrong - we really dont know. It just smells bad.

I dont particularly love the guy but there is something that makes me root for him even more given his family problems. As if for some reason our perfect image of a post-PGA Tour victory celebration simply cant process a guy with family problems...like a lot of the world actually deals with. It actually makes people incensed that he doesn't get along with and love his parents - and yet they have no idea what the real story is.

IMO its his business. If he doesn't want to talk about his side of the story, he shouldn't have to. But yes like Tiger there will be journalists that are lining up to write pieces about him if he doesn't.

You're right. It is his prerogative and he doesn't owe us anything. I feel like there must be more to the story, though, and I think that's why it makes it fascinating to me.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:43 AM

View PostSteele47, on 09 April 2018 - 01:26 AM, said:

I've met lots of people in this life who can't stand their parents or inlaws or siblings and yet they still allow them to meet their grandkids, their nieces, nephews.  Could care less about him having a drink in college or even cheating for that matter.  Water under the bridge.  But seriously?  I won't let you see your grandchildren.  Wow!

This. +1...I remember the family issues bubble up a while back. To me it seems and obviously we probably will never know, that Justine got her claws in him and he never looked back. I've seen this happen to several guys and its so sad. It almost is scarily similar to what Aaron Rodgers is going through. Life is too short man, to not try and at least hash things out and worse case, let them see those grandchildren...I dunno, again, yet just another reason I don't like PR.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:50 AM

View Postfairways4life, on 09 April 2018 - 06:23 AM, said:

Geez I posted a link to a story about Reed's situation in another thread and was tarred and feathered for doing so. OP creates an entire thread about it and gets a pass.

I hate to hear that, but I don't mean any ill-will (not saying that you did). I was simply asking if anyone had known previous to that article about his family situation and what was going on there. It turns out that a thread has already hashed it before, but I didn't know that. I'm not trying to bash Reed. I just think it's fascinating that a guy can drop his family and not miss a beat. I put myself in that story and I couldn't imagine being him (I couldn't turn my back on my family) or his dad (I would move heaven and earth to see my son and grandchildren). It's very interesting to me, but I mean no vitriol or judgement. Just curious.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:51 AM

The fact that this story was queued up and ready to go minutes after the victory tells some something is not right with the family. They had reporters at the house and a Masters party going on?  Sounds totally staged. My guess is they are after his money.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:53 AM

View Postmosesgolf, on 09 April 2018 - 06:28 AM, said:

It seems one sided.  Why would PRís family have a Masters viewing party For their son if they had a bad grudge?  Not allowing parents to see their grandchild is CRUEL.  

Ok we get PR was a jerk in college.  It looks like the media has found a villain to vilify.

Agree that not letting grandparents meet their grandchildren is ice cold for almost any reason. Almost.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:53 AM

He is not my favorite pro golfer, and I really was pulling for JS, Fowler, or Rory to catch him.  Kudos to him, though, for grinding it out and winning.  Marrying an older woman who is controlling is very familiar including alienating family.  It ended in disaster.  I hope that doesnt happen to Reed, because I wouldnt wish it on anyone to be honest.  He is who he is - a loner.  He doesnt vaca with the frat crew and take selfies, thats not his style.  Maybe I need to cut the guy some slack after reading that article - again, its all very familiar to me.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:55 AM

Family dynamics are minefields for many families and extended families.  

I suppose it was natural for someone to reach out to his parents and use this opportunity for what is basically a rehash of everything we've heard before, so I'm disappointed for any of them  the press is into their lives, but that is the price of his celebrity and accomplishments.

He just looks so on edge, and seems to have so much internalized, even in his interviews after the tourney - hope he can find a way to just let go.

I just don't feel like I can judge any of them, don't know enough and honestly don't care if I ever do know their personal business.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:58 AM

View Postdlygrisse, on 09 April 2018 - 06:51 AM, said:

The fact that this story was queued up and ready to go minutes after the victory tells some something is not right with the family. They had reporters at the house and a Masters party going on?  Sounds totally staged. My guess is they are after his money.

bingo.....


for all those saying " go back to the fam"....  try to think about it this way ... what if "the fam" were a high functioning crack addict married to a loritab addict , and they beat each other every 15 days or so ... still feel the same?   Would you leave your 2-3 year old there for a sunday afternoon with "the grandparents"?   These types exist and walk among you and youd never know it .

Theres more going on here than we know... and i suspect its something embarrassing that Reed has chosen to stay quiet about as it will only cause himself and his family embarrassment ..

Man... it shocks me how many whitewashed perfect homes we have here....  kudos to you all.. But have some empathy for those who dont have that
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:58 AM

View Postvsabre, on 09 April 2018 - 06:39 AM, said:

View Postdcmidnight, on 09 April 2018 - 06:09 AM, said:

View PostBingo1976, on 09 April 2018 - 01:38 AM, said:

I'm not a fan or Reid's (those shirts alone are modified trash bags) but he should be allowed to have made mistakes in his youth. None of us are perfect, and we'd all do well to remember that. I rolled my ball once in a junior comp and got DQd. I never did it again and I'm not proud of it today. I've also done enough dumb drunken things to write a novel about -  but I am fortunate enough to be so devoid of talent that I will never be newsworthy for people to drag up 20 year old drunken conquests to splash over TMZ and the like.

I thank God every day that I went to college before Twitter and cell phone cameras existed. Otherwise I think of all the ways my life could have really gone off track. Just that so much of this strikes me as after the fact trash. Who knows how things really did or didnt happen. His teammates I guess. But I dont recall these guys saying anything *while* they were winning two national titles. Were any of them running him down or writing articles or tweeting about it *while* there were in the middle of picking up two national championships and Reed going 6-0 in match play?

Maybe they did but I dont remember it. Lots of this after the fact though, running a guy down every time he's in the spotlight. And again, could be right, could be wrong - we really dont know. It just smells bad.

I dont particularly love the guy but there is something that makes me root for him even more given his family problems. As if for some reason our perfect image of a post-PGA Tour victory celebration simply cant process a guy with family problems...like a lot of the world actually deals with. It actually makes people incensed that he doesn't get along with and love his parents - and yet they have no idea what the real story is.

IMO its his business. If he doesn't want to talk about his side of the story, he shouldn't have to. But yes like Tiger there will be journalists that are lining up to write pieces about him if he doesn't.

Very much my outlook as well on PR and honestly anyone else that the "internet" passes judgement on today. If everything is true then it's his life and his to navigate as he matures, or doesn't. We don't know the issues nor have walked in his shoes, but based on the articles I certainly hope we establish a "character" test before the next Ryder Cup selection so we can eliminate those malcontents that would hurt our team's image......#smh...

Good point about the Ryder Cup. But I can't imagine that European fans would 'go there' knowing that he has walled off that section of his life. And, who knows? If they did bring it up, I could see him using it as fuel to play harder. The guy seems to be a bulldog (no pun intended to his UofG days). :)

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:01 AM

View Postdpark, on 09 April 2018 - 12:16 AM, said:

Read the whole story. All I can say is that family can be complicated. I don't think Patrick's wife is torpedoing his career (like Brooke Shield did with Andre Agassi). For a family to say "your future wife isn't right for you" is a harsh thing to say. I can empathize with his response. Their response may have even been more harsh than the way it was described in the article.

Obviously sad for his family to have no contact with him or his children but as an outsider looking in, there isn't much we can do to affect the situation. If Patrick wants to keep it this way, it will stay this way. His family has extended an olive branch, he turned it down. He obviously is angry/hurt enough that he wants nothing to do with them at this point in his life, maybe forever.

not that i care one way or the other, but how do we know they said 'she isn't right for you'? ... sounds like they tried to talk him into waiting, which, understandably, he wouldn't take well since he's the one that proposed ... but maybe they didn't think he was ready for marriage and took it upon themselves to do their parental duty ... it is sad he can't share it with them ... think he might regret that when his daughter is older and he has to explain it to her ...


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:06 AM

View PostMSUIRONDAWGS, on 09 April 2018 - 06:43 AM, said:

View PostSteele47, on 09 April 2018 - 01:26 AM, said:

I've met lots of people in this life who can't stand their parents or inlaws or siblings and yet they still allow them to meet their grandkids, their nieces, nephews.  Could care less about him having a drink in college or even cheating for that matter.  Water under the bridge.  But seriously?  I won't let you see your grandchildren.  Wow!

This. +1...I remember the family issues bubble up a while back. To me it seems and obviously we probably will never know, that Justine got her claws in him and he never looked back. I've seen this happen to several guys and its so sad. It almost is scarily similar to what Aaron Rodgers is going through. Life is too short man, to not try and at least hash things out and worse case, let them see those grandchildren...I dunno, again, yet just another reason I don't like PR.

I tend to agree about there being something there with his wife/in laws. And I hate to hear of him not letting his parents see the grandchildren. I can't think of many scenarios where I wouldn't let my parents see their grandchildren, but I suppose there could be some reason that we're not aware of.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:06 AM

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View Postanth, on 09 April 2018 - 12:49 AM, said:

In a game where you call penalties on yourself, to be accused of cheating by your own teammates speaks volumes.  You can choose not to believe that story.  Like I said, make up your own mind.

I'm not a fan or Reid's (those shirts alone are modified trash bags) but he should be allowed to have made mistakes in his youth. None of us are perfect, and we'd all do well to remember that. I rolled my ball once in a junior comp and got DQd. I never did it again and I'm not proud of it today. I've also done enough dumb drunken things to write a novel about -  but I am fortunate enough to be so devoid of talent that I will never be newsworthy for people to drag up 20 year old drunken conquests to splash over TMZ and the like.

?? ... literally no one cars about his alcohol stuff ... no one's commented about it or claimed it was indicative of his character ... he attempted to cheat, according to everyone on the team, stole from teammates, according to everyone on the team, and was an all around jackass at augusta (and still attempted to cheat), according to everyone on the team ...

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:06 AM

pretty sad, really...  all i know is that life is short.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:07 AM

View Postdlygrisse, on 09 April 2018 - 06:51 AM, said:

The fact that this story was queued up and ready to go minutes after the victory tells some something is not right with the family. They had reporters at the house and a Masters party going on?  Sounds totally staged. My guess is they are after his money.

That certainly could be. Good point.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:08 AM

The story said his family "wasn't welcome" at Augusta. Does that imply that they were somehow banned? And having them escorted out of the US Open --- how does his wife have that authority? If they have tickets and as long as they aren't harassing Patrick or Justine and there's no restraining order or anything. Just seems weird that they would be able to do that.


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:09 AM

well, they certainly aren't going to be welcome at augusta now ...

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:11 AM

View PostLord Helmet, on 09 April 2018 - 06:53 AM, said:

He is not my favorite pro golfer, and I really was pulling for JS, Fowler, or Rory to catch him.  Kudos to him, though, for grinding it out and winning.  Marrying an older woman who is controlling is very familiar including alienating family.  It ended in disaster.  I hope that doesnt happen to Reed, because I wouldnt wish it on anyone to be honest.  He is who he is - a loner.  He doesnt vaca with the frat crew and take selfies, thats not his style.  Maybe I need to cut the guy some slack after reading that article - again, its all very familiar to me.

Hate to hear that, man. I've had a best friend go through that and it's very tough.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:18 AM

Read  the article...    And i do see the side of some here IF it were 100% true and complete... BUT surely nobody here believes that fluff piece is entirely accurate and complete?  It defies any logic...

Please stop with the "older woman " nonsense.. 4  years in your 20s isnt a big gap at all....  and in your 60s its literally equal... if she were 35 to his 22 yes...
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:22 AM

I really like the part where "He won the masters".
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:25 AM

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BUT surely nobody here believes that fluff piece is entirely accurate and complete?


I do.  I think it is balanced, and careful and nuanced.  As balanced as it could be, given that Reed and his wife seem to refuse all comments/interviews on the subject.

Again, I happen to think that Alan Shipnuck is one of the very best golf writers working today.  It is an altogether uncomfortable story, but I think Shipnuck conveyed that discomfort in an appropriate way.  I saw nothing that struck me as inaccurate.


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:31 AM

View PostOnOff, on 09 April 2018 - 12:06 AM, said:

My best friend just married a woman who's extremely controlling and he's become very distance from his family and friends. So I can't help but think this is the same thing.

Probably so. In the article Berger says no one ever plays practice rounds with him. One could say he is just trying to prepare for the tourney w/o distractions but come on.....how strange is that? Basically no friends other than his wife. True....there are 2 sides to every story but hard not to believe the context of the article.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:34 AM

View Postbullie76, on 09 April 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

Probably so. In the article Berger says no one ever plays practice rounds with him. One could say he is just trying to prepare for the tourney w/o distractions but come on.....how strange is that? Basically no friends other than his wife. True....there are 2 sides to every story but hard not to believe the context of the article.

Honestly I thnk its 0% strange - although its "different" than seeing guys who are constantly posting on Instagram every five seconds of their life. Sounds - word for word - almost exactly like what they said about Tiger when he first came out. Plays practice rounds by himself. Hits the range before anyone else gets there. Hits balls at one end far away from everyone else. Doesn't hang out or socialize with any of the guys on tour. No one really knows him etc etc.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:36 AM

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BUT surely nobody here believes that fluff piece is entirely accurate and complete?


I do.  I think it is balanced, and careful and nuanced.  As balanced as it could be, given that Reed and his wife seem to refuse all comments/interviews on the subject.

Again, I happen to think that Alan Shipnuck is one of the very best golf writers working today.  It is an altogether uncomfortable story, but I think Shipnuck conveyed that discomfort in an appropriate way.  I saw nothing that struck me as inaccurate.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:38 AM

People act like this is the only story where reed comes off as a complete POS. Likely this isn't the whole story, so I am not taking specific elements from it to believe, but I do think when his family, all his college teammates (one of which he was kicked off) and basically all the players and many commentators don't seem to like him at all, there is probably a reason.

They asked jordan about Reed's win and, while he seems to be closest out of everyone to Reed in terms of peers, he did not give him any congrats or say anything really it was very very odd.

He doesn't need to be a fun boy but you can be a Ryan Moore loner type and not be seemingly hated by everyone.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:39 AM

View Postdcmidnight, on 09 April 2018 - 07:34 AM, said:

View Postbullie76, on 09 April 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

Probably so. In the article Berger says no one ever plays practice rounds with him. One could say he is just trying to prepare for the tourney w/o distractions but come on.....how strange is that? Basically no friends other than his wife. True....there are 2 sides to every story but hard not to believe the context of the article.

Honestly I thnk its 0% strange - although its "different" than seeing guys who are constantly posting on Instagram every five seconds of their life. Sounds - word for word - almost exactly like what they said about Tiger when he first came out. Plays practice rounds by himself. Hits the range before anyone else gets there. Hits balls at one end far away from everyone else. Doesn't hang out or socialize with any of the guys on tour. No one really knows him etc etc.

I never heard that about Woods.  Woods played, and plays, a lot of social rounds with other tour players.  It is definitely true, that Woods habitually plays and practices very, very early.  That much is true, and well known.  But I have seen Woods at innumerable tournaments and he is rarely "at one end (of the practice area) far away from everyone else."


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:40 AM

View Postdcmidnight, on 09 April 2018 - 07:34 AM, said:

View Postbullie76, on 09 April 2018 - 07:31 AM, said:

Probably so. In the article Berger says no one ever plays practice rounds with him. One could say he is just trying to prepare for the tourney w/o distractions but come on.....how strange is that? Basically no friends other than his wife. True....there are 2 sides to every story but hard not to believe the context of the article.

Honestly I thnk its 0% strange - although its "different" than seeing guys who are constantly posting on Instagram every five seconds of their life. Sounds - word for word - almost exactly like what they said about Tiger when he first came out. Plays practice rounds by himself. Hits the range before anyone else gets there. Hits balls at one end far away from everyone else. Doesn't hang out or socialize with any of the guys on tour. No one really knows him etc etc.

Also, Tiger had the controlling father.  Detached? so was Hogan.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:42 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 09 April 2018 - 07:36 AM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 09 April 2018 - 07:25 AM, said:

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BUT surely nobody here believes that fluff piece is entirely accurate and complete?


I do.  I think it is balanced, and careful and nuanced.  As balanced as it could be, given that Reed and his wife seem to refuse all comments/interviews on the subject.

Again, I happen to think that Alan Shipnuck is one of the very best golf writers working today.  It is an altogether uncomfortable story, but I think Shipnuck conveyed that discomfort in an appropriate way.  I saw nothing that struck me as inaccurate.

And complete ?  You think that's it.   The toughest bulldog on the course is completely under mind control by a 100lb blonde ?   He's filthy rich now. He could buy 10 more.  Come on.  You can't print a story with that many holes and question marks and call it complete.

"Complete" is your prerequisite.  I didn't use that word.  I basically suggested that it was in fact NOT complete, because Reed and his wife have never commented on it or cooperated with writers on the subject.  If there is a reason, for instance, for Justine to have asked to have Reed's mother and father taken out of a tournament by security, it would be good to understand that.  Patrick and Justine haven't helped out with that.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:43 AM

When one sits back and ponders the true meaning of time well spent one naturally gravitates to speculating about a professional golfer's personal life.


What I see is a guy that compartmentalized the "stuff" in his life, stood up like a man, and won a very big golf tournament that will ever change his life.
The dude can play golf, period.   The other stuff is trivial.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:48 AM

View Postwilliamsnrb, on 08 April 2018 - 11:31 PM, said:

Did anyone else read this? I knew a little about Reed's past, but didn't know all of this.

http://www.golf.com/...ex-mix-emotions

Sorry, all I got from this story was that Patrick Reed's wife is a controlling nutcase. Classic BPD behavior.

I'm not saying Reed's parents are angels, but there's nothing wrong with giving a young son advice about a woman he's about to marry. To turn around and then not invite them to the wedding, not allow them to see their grandchildren, is just insane. It's not normal human behavior.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:50 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 09 April 2018 - 06:58 AM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 09 April 2018 - 06:51 AM, said:

The fact that this story was queued up and ready to go minutes after the victory tells some something is not right with the family. They had reporters at the house and a Masters party going on?  Sounds totally staged. My guess is they are after his money.

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for all those saying " go back to the fam"....  try to think about it this way ... what if "the fam" were a high functioning crack addict married to a loritab addict , and they beat each other every 15 days or so ... still feel the same?   Would you leave your 2-3 year old there for a sunday afternoon with "the grandparents"?   These types exist and walk among you and youd never know it .

Theres more going on here than we know... and i suspect its something embarrassing that Reed has chosen to stay quiet about as it will only cause himself and his family embarrassment ..

Man... it shocks me how many whitewashed perfect homes we have here....  kudos to you all.. But have some empathy for those who dont have that

That's certainly possible. A lot of people appear to have polished relationships when the reality is very different. Something feels different here, though. The parents pony up money and time required for their son to play high level AJGA tournaments as a junior golfer (I had a front row seat at that show when my parents were doing everything it took for me to play in the AJGA and the sacrifices are considerable). Then they support him through college, switching schools with the associated controversy. They help him get his start in professional golf only to have Patrick turn his back on them. Now, there HAS to be a lot more to it than that, but the parents don't seem to be completely horrible.

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