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#31 vanillafunk616

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:34 AM

Jesus man, that's just a brutal one sided character assassination.  Being famous sounds horrible.  And that's not to excuse anything he's  allegedly done.


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:34 AM

Wife 4 years older - 2 degrees, a busy bee. Offended enough + quickly > to fully cut off in laws permanently?

Reed marries at 22 and is viewed as immature prior to doing so by both his two colleges and parents/sister.

The ingredients answer some questions without needing tons more details.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:34 AM

View Postwilliamsnrb, on 09 April 2018 - 01:19 AM, said:

View Postvanillafunk616, on 09 April 2018 - 01:17 AM, said:

I almost feel bad for the guy, to reach the pinnacle and this is all people have to say about the guy.

Somehow I 100% agree with you. :)  Regardless of the claims made against him, today should be the most glorious day of his life. And maybe it is. But I can't help but think there are parts of it that he would change if he could. Or maybe not.

We all heard that reporter ask that question and I was saddened that the reporter took such a cheap shot at him when he should have been asking questions about his winning his first Major. You could see the look in Reed’s eyes before he responded and that it stung him. Hopefully ANGC bars this reporter (maybe they already have, hence the “hit job” piece on Patrick.  Makes me sick!
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:35 AM

View PostPZero, on 09 April 2018 - 01:33 AM, said:

View Postwilliamsnrb, on 09 April 2018 - 01:32 AM, said:

View PostPZero, on 09 April 2018 - 01:23 AM, said:

I wondered how long before the old stories got rehashed. I expected a couple days not a couple hours.

Were you aware of his family discord? That's the first I'd heard of it. I assumed the guy he hugged on the 18th was his dad, but I guess it was his FIL. As a dad myself, I can't imagine what that felt like for his dad to watch on tv.

This same story came out several years ago and blew up on here. It wasn't long after his Top 5 comment.

I wasn't aware. I must have missed that thread! Thanks for the heads up. I didn't mean to rehash old news. I truly didn't know before this article tonight.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:38 AM

View Postanth, on 09 April 2018 - 12:49 AM, said:

In a game where you call penalties on yourself, to be accused of cheating by your own teammates speaks volumes.  You can choose not to believe that story.  Like I said, make up your own mind.

I'm not a fan or Reid's (those shirts alone are modified trash bags) but he should be allowed to have made mistakes in his youth. None of us are perfect, and we'd all do well to remember that. I rolled my ball once in a junior comp and got DQd. I never did it again and I'm not proud of it today. I've also done enough dumb drunken things to write a novel about -  but I am fortunate enough to be so devoid of talent that I will never be newsworthy for people to drag up 20 year old drunken conquests to splash over TMZ and the like.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:39 AM

View PostSteelhead, on 09 April 2018 - 01:34 AM, said:

View Postwilliamsnrb, on 09 April 2018 - 01:19 AM, said:

View Postvanillafunk616, on 09 April 2018 - 01:17 AM, said:

I almost feel bad for the guy, to reach the pinnacle and this is all people have to say about the guy.

Somehow I 100% agree with you. :)  Regardless of the claims made against him, today should be the most glorious day of his life. And maybe it is. But I can't help but think there are parts of it that he would change if he could. Or maybe not.

We all heard that reporter ask that question and I was saddened that the reporter took such a cheap shot at him when he should have been asking questions about his winning his first Major. You could see the look in Reed’s eyes before he responded and that it stung him. Hopefully ANGC bars this reporter (maybe they already have, hence the “hit job” piece on Patrick.  Makes me sick!

You know, I heard that question when it was asked, but had no idea what the reporter meant. It all made sense after reading this article, though. That was probably a tough question to take at that moment for Reed.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:40 AM

View Postwilliamsnrb, on 09 April 2018 - 01:35 AM, said:

View PostPZero, on 09 April 2018 - 01:33 AM, said:

View Postwilliamsnrb, on 09 April 2018 - 01:32 AM, said:

View PostPZero, on 09 April 2018 - 01:23 AM, said:

I wondered how long before the old stories got rehashed. I expected a couple days not a couple hours.

Were you aware of his family discord? That's the first I'd heard of it. I assumed the guy he hugged on the 18th was his dad, but I guess it was his FIL. As a dad myself, I can't imagine what that felt like for his dad to watch on tv.

This same story came out several years ago and blew up on here. It wasn't long after his Top 5 comment.

I wasn't aware. I must have missed that thread! Thanks for the heads up. I didn't mean to rehash old news. I truly didn't know before this article tonight.

The article is new, so you couldn't have known. Actually, the older article was even more of a hit piece than this.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:42 AM

View PostBingo1976, on 09 April 2018 - 01:38 AM, said:

View Postanth, on 09 April 2018 - 12:49 AM, said:

In a game where you call penalties on yourself, to be accused of cheating by your own teammates speaks volumes.  You can choose not to believe that story.  Like I said, make up your own mind.

I'm not a fan or Reid's (those shirts alone are modified trash bags) but he should be allowed to have made mistakes in his youth. None of us are perfect, and we'd all do well to remember that. I rolled my ball once in a junior comp and got DQd. I never did it again and I'm not proud of it today. I've also done enough dumb drunken things to write a novel about -  but I am fortunate enough to be so devoid of talent that I will never be newsworthy for people to drag up 20 year old drunken conquests to splash over TMZ and the like.

Lol @ "modified trash bags".
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:44 AM

View PostPZero, on 09 April 2018 - 01:40 AM, said:

View Postwilliamsnrb, on 09 April 2018 - 01:35 AM, said:

View PostPZero, on 09 April 2018 - 01:33 AM, said:

View Postwilliamsnrb, on 09 April 2018 - 01:32 AM, said:

View PostPZero, on 09 April 2018 - 01:23 AM, said:

I wondered how long before the old stories got rehashed. I expected a couple days not a couple hours.

Were you aware of his family discord? That's the first I'd heard of it. I assumed the guy he hugged on the 18th was his dad, but I guess it was his FIL. As a dad myself, I can't imagine what that felt like for his dad to watch on tv.

This same story came out several years ago and blew up on here. It wasn't long after his Top 5 comment.

I wasn't aware. I must have missed that thread! Thanks for the heads up. I didn't mean to rehash old news. I truly didn't know before this article tonight.

The article is new, so you couldn't have known. Actually, the older article was even more of a hit piece than this.

Well, I hate it for him because I'm sure he just wants to come out, play golf, and go home. But to become such a public figure brings with it other aspects that he likely loathes.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 02:04 AM

View PostValtiel, on 08 April 2018 - 11:56 PM, said:

None of us will ever be able to say anything for sure. On one hand his parents/sister could be horrible people that he needed to get away from and on the other hand he could have been strong-armed in to this by his wife and her family. Or some combination of the two, or neither for all we know. As long as he stays quiet we'll never know the full story and everything is conjecture.

Two sides to every story. We only have the parents' side of it. Sad deal though, regardless of how it came about.


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 02:17 AM

View PostBingo1976, on 09 April 2018 - 01:38 AM, said:

View Postanth, on 09 April 2018 - 12:49 AM, said:

In a game where you call penalties on yourself, to be accused of cheating by your own teammates speaks volumes.  You can choose not to believe that story.  Like I said, make up your own mind.

I'm not a fan or Reid's (those shirts alone are modified trash bags) but he should be allowed to have made mistakes in his youth. None of us are perfect, and we'd all do well to remember that. I rolled my ball once in a junior comp and got DQd. I never did it again and I'm not proud of it today. I've also done enough dumb drunken things to write a novel about -  but I am fortunate enough to be so devoid of talent that I will never be newsworthy for people to drag up 20 year old drunken conquests to splash over TMZ and the like.

The thing that stands out to me is that his teammates were quick to point the finger, and didnt believe him.  There's also the matter of the missing money and Scotty Cameron.  Again, nothing proven but it seems that his teammates were quick to throw him under the bus.  

How poorly do you have to treat your own teammates for them to do that? He clearly has a history of rubbing people the wrong way at the very least.

Still, why should we care right?  He's counting his millions and admiring his green jacket, and I'm sitting here being a keyboard warrior.  Good luck to him.  You have to admire the feat but you don't have to respect the person.  Contrary to popular belief winning doesn't take care of everything.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 02:37 AM

View PostBearQ, on 09 April 2018 - 01:34 AM, said:

Wife 4 years older - 2 degrees, a busy bee. Offended enough + quickly > to fully cut off in laws permanently?

Reed marries at 22 and is viewed as immature prior to doing so by both his two colleges and parents/sister.

The ingredients answer some questions without needing tons more details.


The ingredients - moving all over the country before College, adjusting poorly, seeking out an older, controlling woman and alienating family...are those ingredients of his dysfunction or his parents? I can't tell based on that article.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 03:01 AM

View Poststraightshot7, on 09 April 2018 - 12:17 AM, said:

There's obviously a lot missing in the story as to what caused the massive rift between Reed and his parents/sister.

However, I feel that all of it is very personal and none of my gosh darn business.

Agreed.

The only reason they gave was his parents saying he was too young to get married.

A bit of a mystery.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 03:06 AM

View PostSteelhead, on 09 April 2018 - 01:34 AM, said:

View Postwilliamsnrb, on 09 April 2018 - 01:19 AM, said:

View Postvanillafunk616, on 09 April 2018 - 01:17 AM, said:

I almost feel bad for the guy, to reach the pinnacle and this is all people have to say about the guy.

Somehow I 100% agree with you. :)  Regardless of the claims made against him, today should be the most glorious day of his life. And maybe it is. But I can't help but think there are parts of it that he would change if he could. Or maybe not.

We all heard that reporter ask that question and I was saddened that the reporter took such a cheap shot at him when he should have been asking questions about his winning his first Major. You could see the look in Reed’s eyes before he responded and that it stung him. Hopefully ANGC bars this reporter (maybe they already have, hence the “hit job” piece on Patrick.  Makes me sick!

I’m happy for Reed and his win but it was a fair question. I personally don’t really care about any players personal stuff but him not talking to his mom or dad or sister and then having his in laws rip them publicly is newsworthy and really sad. The last 3-4 players coming in were greeted by their moms and dads. If even 50% of whats been reported over the years is true I feel sorry for the family. These things happen and all families have baggage and disagreements.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 05:20 AM

Reed definitely is a different type of person than the typical guy on tour. He sticks to himself a lot and might think he can stay more focused or have that killer instinct if he doesn't get close to anyone. I personally like having friends and people to hang out with so I find his behavior different than what I would do. I did notice that there was not much emotion after he won. What I mean is no crying. When he hugged his wife neither were crying. He just won what many consider the best tournament in the world and it was like he won the Waste Management. In Butler Cabin it didn't seem as exciting as when most guys win and they talk about how they have dreamed of this since a kid. He mentioned he was happy to win a major and said nothing about the Green Jacket. He did say he was happy to win in the town he went to college. He just seems like he is detached in some ways.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 05:38 AM

The story line should be Patrick Reed major champion.  The rest is amateur hour.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 05:50 AM

View PostSteele47, on 09 April 2018 - 01:26 AM, said:

I've met lots of people in this life who can't stand their parents or inlaws or siblings and yet they still allow them to meet their grandkids, their nieces, nephews.  Could care less about him having a drink in college or even cheating for that matter.  Water under the bridge.  But seriously?  I won't let you see your grandchildren.  Wow!

Easy to say. But depending on how toxic it is I certainly ca see it.  Remember. Access to grandchildren is a privledge not a right in almost every state.  As it should be.

People born into a great family willl never understand this. And those who think they have “ issues” and live through them by grinning and baring it don’t likely know what a real issue is.    And if you do volunteer to accept the abuse .... well that’s too bad ... and the less brave thing to do.

You can bet there is much more to the story.  And all evidence says Patrick is better off as he is.  Great family , winning at the higher level ... I mean what motivation would he have to make up these issues ?

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 05:56 AM

View PostDBill, on 09 April 2018 - 01:20 AM, said:

View Postwilliamsnrb, on 09 April 2018 - 01:08 AM, said:

View Postthegrayman, on 09 April 2018 - 12:25 AM, said:

You don't keep your parents from their grandchildren just because they told you to take it slow with your future wife. That article is trash journalism regardless of Reed's misdeeds.

Are you saying that you think his family isn't completely blameless in this scenario? I'm sure there's a lot more to the story than the article describes. I tend to agree with you because there are usually at least two sides to every story. It is interesting, though.

There are 3 sides to every story.  In this case it's Patrick's, his families and the truth, which we may never know.  Seems unfair to judge someone based on 1/3 of the story.  Just my $.02

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:00 AM

So he doesn’t talk with his parents. Neither does Roseanne Barr. So he cheated. So does Bill Bellichek and Tom Brady. So he got drunk in college. So does everyone (or almost everyone).

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:05 AM

View Postvanillafunk616, on 09 April 2018 - 01:34 AM, said:

Jesus man, that's just a brutal one sided character assassination.  Being famous sounds horrible.  And that's not to excuse anything he's  allegedly done.

I think Shipnuck is a good writer.  One of the very best in the business.  I read this as a tough story; but not unfair.

There is a "Tiger Woods"-like element to this, which is that if the guy doesn't like the story(ies) being written about him, then do some interviews and explain yourself.  Woods basically never did that; and neither has Patrick.

Of course, there is no law requiring Woods or Reed to do interviews, or open up about anything.  But there is also no law against Alan Shipnuck writing stories.


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:09 AM

 Bingo1976, on 09 April 2018 - 01:38 AM, said:

I'm not a fan or Reid's (those shirts alone are modified trash bags) but he should be allowed to have made mistakes in his youth. None of us are perfect, and we'd all do well to remember that. I rolled my ball once in a junior comp and got DQd. I never did it again and I'm not proud of it today. I've also done enough dumb drunken things to write a novel about -  but I am fortunate enough to be so devoid of talent that I will never be newsworthy for people to drag up 20 year old drunken conquests to splash over TMZ and the like.

I thank God every day that I went to college before Twitter and cell phone cameras existed. Otherwise I think of all the ways my life could have really gone off track. Just that so much of this strikes me as after the fact trash. Who knows how things really did or didnt happen. His teammates I guess. But I dont recall these guys saying anything *while* they were winning two national titles. Were any of them running him down or writing articles or tweeting about it *while* there were in the middle of picking up two national championships and Reed going 6-0 in match play?

Maybe they did but I dont remember it. Lots of this after the fact though, running a guy down every time he's in the spotlight. And again, could be right, could be wrong - we really dont know. It just smells bad.

I dont particularly love the guy but there is something that makes me root for him even more given his family problems. As if for some reason our perfect image of a post-PGA Tour victory celebration simply cant process a guy with family problems...like a lot of the world actually deals with. It actually makes people incensed that he doesn't get along with and love his parents - and yet they have no idea what the real story is.

IMO its his business. If he doesn't want to talk about his side of the story, he shouldn't have to. But yes like Tiger there will be journalists that are lining up to write pieces about him if he doesn't.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:17 AM

Didn't stopping winning a major championship.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:23 AM

Geez I posted a link to a story about Reed's situation in another thread and was tarred and feathered for doing so. OP creates an entire thread about it and gets a pass.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:28 AM

It seems one sided.  Why would PR’s family have a Masters viewing party For their son if they had a bad grudge?  Not allowing parents to see their grandchild is CRUEL.  

Ok we get PR was a jerk in college.  It looks like the media has found a villain to vilify.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:30 AM

 flip flappy, on 09 April 2018 - 05:20 AM, said:

Reed definitely is a different type of person than the typical guy on tour. He sticks to himself a lot and might think he can stay more focused or have that killer instinct if he doesn't get close to anyone. I personally like having friends and people to hang out with so I find his behavior different than what I would do. I did notice that there was not much emotion after he one. What I mean is no crying. When he hugged his wife neither were crying. He just won what many consider the best tournament in the world and it was like he won the Waste Management. In Butler Cabin it didn't seem as exciting as when most guys win and they talk about how they have dreamed of this since a kid. He mentioned he was happy to win a major and said nothing about the Green Jacket. He did say he was happy to win in the town he went to college. He just seems like he is detached in some ways.

That's a great point. He did seem very robotic after the win. He may have been shocked and the emotions may come later, but I don't think so.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:31 AM

 flip flappy, on 09 April 2018 - 05:20 AM, said:

Reed definitely is a different type of person than the typical guy on tour. He sticks to himself a lot and might think he can stay more focused or have that killer instinct if he doesn't get close to anyone. I personally like having friends and people to hang out with so I find his behavior different than what I would do. I did notice that there was not much emotion after he one. What I mean is no crying. When he hugged his wife neither were crying. He just won what many consider the best tournament in the world and it was like he won the Waste Management. In Butler Cabin it didn't seem as exciting as when most guys win and they talk about how they have dreamed of this since a kid. He mentioned he was happy to win a major and said nothing about the Green Jacket. He did say he was happy to win in the town he went to college. He just seems like he is detached in some ways.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:34 AM

 bladehunter, on 09 April 2018 - 05:50 AM, said:

 Steele47, on 09 April 2018 - 01:26 AM, said:

I've met lots of people in this life who can't stand their parents or inlaws or siblings and yet they still allow them to meet their grandkids, their nieces, nephews.  Could care less about him having a drink in college or even cheating for that matter.  Water under the bridge.  But seriously?  I won't let you see your grandchildren.  Wow!

Easy to say. But depending on how toxic it is I certainly ca see it.  Remember. Access to grandchildren is a privledge not a right in almost every state.  As it should be.

People born into a great family willl never understand this. And those who think they have “ issues” and live through them by grinning and baring it don’t likely know what a real issue is.    And if you do volunteer to accept the abuse .... well that’s too bad ... and the less brave thing to do.

You can bet there is much more to the story.  And all evidence says Patrick is better off as he is.  Great family , winning at the higher level ... I mean what motivation would he have to make up these issues ?

Great points. I thought the article kind of cast him in a light of being controlled (albeit willingly) by his wife and her family. They may want him to focus on their family at the expense of his own. But there almost certainly has to be something else there.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:37 AM

 15th Club, on 09 April 2018 - 06:05 AM, said:

 vanillafunk616, on 09 April 2018 - 01:34 AM, said:

Jesus man, that's just a brutal one sided character assassination.  Being famous sounds horrible.  And that's not to excuse anything he's  allegedly done.

I think Shipnuck is a good writer.  One of the very best in the business.  I read this as a tough story; but not unfair.

There is a "Tiger Woods"-like element to this, which is that if the guy doesn't like the story(ies) being written about him, then do some interviews and explain yourself.  Woods basically never did that; and neither has Patrick.

Of course, there is no law requiring Woods or Reed to do interviews, or open up about anything.  But there is also no law against Alan Shipnuck writing stories.

Great points. It does almost feel like a Tiger story - one that I would love to know more information about, but suspect that I never will.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:39 AM

 dcmidnight, on 09 April 2018 - 06:09 AM, said:

 Bingo1976, on 09 April 2018 - 01:38 AM, said:

I'm not a fan or Reid's (those shirts alone are modified trash bags) but he should be allowed to have made mistakes in his youth. None of us are perfect, and we'd all do well to remember that. I rolled my ball once in a junior comp and got DQd. I never did it again and I'm not proud of it today. I've also done enough dumb drunken things to write a novel about -  but I am fortunate enough to be so devoid of talent that I will never be newsworthy for people to drag up 20 year old drunken conquests to splash over TMZ and the like.

I thank God every day that I went to college before Twitter and cell phone cameras existed. Otherwise I think of all the ways my life could have really gone off track. Just that so much of this strikes me as after the fact trash. Who knows how things really did or didnt happen. His teammates I guess. But I dont recall these guys saying anything *while* they were winning two national titles. Were any of them running him down or writing articles or tweeting about it *while* there were in the middle of picking up two national championships and Reed going 6-0 in match play?

Maybe they did but I dont remember it. Lots of this after the fact though, running a guy down every time he's in the spotlight. And again, could be right, could be wrong - we really dont know. It just smells bad.

I dont particularly love the guy but there is something that makes me root for him even more given his family problems. As if for some reason our perfect image of a post-PGA Tour victory celebration simply cant process a guy with family problems...like a lot of the world actually deals with. It actually makes people incensed that he doesn't get along with and love his parents - and yet they have no idea what the real story is.

IMO its his business. If he doesn't want to talk about his side of the story, he shouldn't have to. But yes like Tiger there will be journalists that are lining up to write pieces about him if he doesn't.

Very much my outlook as well on PR and honestly anyone else that the "internet" passes judgement on today. If everything is true then it's his life and his to navigate as he matures, or doesn't. We don't know the issues nor have walked in his shoes, but based on the articles I certainly hope we establish a "character" test before the next Ryder Cup selection so we can eliminate those malcontents that would hurt our team's image......#smh...
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:41 AM

I knew he had some demons but man, that is rough. Ditch ole girl and go back to the fam Patrick!

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