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Ricky Fowler is tracking to be the next Hogan


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#31 MidwestGolfBum

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 09:41 AM

View Postredfirebird08, on 10 April 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

View PostDave230, on 09 April 2018 - 01:56 AM, said:

Phil Mickelson is a better comparison, but by 29 Phil had won 13 times on the PGA Tour. Fowler needs to pick up on the PGA Tour wins, four is not enough for a player of his ability.

I always thought Fowler has been tracking to be the next Fred Couples. Loved by the fans, fun player to watch, but not an all-time legend. Think he'll win a major, but like Couples, could see it being just the one. 15 wins/1 major/2 Players. Could see that when all is said and done.

The Couples comparison is a good one, though you will occasionally find people out there who think Couples is a fraud. He hasn't always treated everyone as well as Arnold Palmer. Rickie by all accounts has done his very best to be a nice guy to everyone. Very much in the mold of Arnold. He needs to win more though. Johnny Miller is right about that one. He's the least accomplished superstar we have ever seen in the game. He is a superstar too. I see more TV commercials with Rickie than any other player.

Rickie has the dubious stat of basically never being able to close on Sunday, especially with a lead. Given how much it has happened, it wouldn't be a huge shock if that has become a sort of mental hurdle he is going to need to get over now. That seems like something he is going to be able to get done, but it certainly has to be something that you think about as a player when you are put in that position again. Time will tell how things play out for him, but I could certainly see him getting a major or two in the coming years. Who knows? Maybe that opens the door like it did for Phil or maybe he goes the Freddie route and only get's the one.

He is absolutely well liked by his colleagues and fans alike. In the few interactions I have had with him off the course, he was always incredibly likable, friendly, and welcoming.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 09:42 AM

The only difference is that Rickie will be posting selfies on snapchat during his parade

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 09:53 AM

View PostMidwestGolfBum, on 10 April 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

Rickie has the dubious stat of basically never being able to close on Sunday, especially with a lead. Given how much it has happened, it wouldn't be a huge shock if that has become a sort of mental hurdle he is going to need to get over now. That seems like something he is going to be able to get done, but it certainly has to be something that you think about as a player when you are put in that position again. Time will tell how things play out for him, but I could certainly see him getting a major or two in the coming years. Who knows? Maybe that opens the door like it did for Phil or maybe he goes the Freddie route and only get's the one.

He is absolutely well liked by his colleagues and fans alike. In the few interactions I have had with him off the course, he was always incredibly likable, friendly, and welcoming.

I was very impressed with how Rickie bounced back on Sunday. Rough start at +1 through 7 holes and then -6 from the 8th tee box to the clubhouse with no bogies in that stretch. He avoided the foul balls into the water on the back nine like we see from him so often while in contention. Great birdie on the 18th to put some pressure on Reed. I think Rickie's performance on Saturday/Sunday was a big step forward. Would not surprise me at all if he wins a major very soon.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 10:13 AM

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View Postsphna12d, on 08 April 2018 - 07:43 PM, said:

Their playing styles couldn't be more opposite.
Or clothing styles. One dressed like a professional the other like he’s on the way to the gym.
I saw a grown man, 40's?, wearing a Rickie outfit.  Couldn't decide whether to laugh or weep.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 10:21 AM

Unfair to compare Rickie to Hogan.  That said, Rickie's incredibly talented in his own right.  Doesn't hurt that he's a fantastic human being, definitely pulling for him to get his major win.  Could lead to some big things once he has gotten that monkey off his back.


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Posted 10 April 2018 - 10:23 AM

Hopefully Rickie fairs a little bit better in the car wreck than Hogan did.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 10:36 AM

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Their playing styles couldn't be more opposite.
Or clothing styles. One dressed like a professional the other like he’s on the way to the gym.

So this is how you dress to go to the gym??

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You might want to consider investing in a t-shirt and some gym shorts instead ;)

I'm a Fowler fan and admittedly biased, but it does kinda make me chuckle that people are still quick to comment on his "loud" attire when a) he's definitely gone far more conservative with his colors and patterns over the last 2-3 years and b) no one seems to comment on Hideki wearing clothes with even brighter/louder colors than Rickie and (in my opinion) some bizarre patterns on the shirts.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 10:47 AM

Rickie is a streaky player and when he's on, there's no one better. But, IMO, it's his swing/timing that's his downfall. He really lashes at the ball and if he's just slightly off timing wise, he's finished. How many times have we've seen him in the hunt and his driver blows up and he makes a big number. Just like Hogan, If he can find a way to maintain a good under control tempo swing, he'll win his share of the big one's.

As for the big one's (aka Majors), winning the Players, even though it's not considered a Major, it is considered by all accounts, the strongest field, so one could presume that he counts that as his first Major.................

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 10:57 AM

The guy is enormously talented and seems to always play well in the majors. His time will come for sure. Heck if Reed had not hit the flag stick from 100 feet on his third shot on 17, he would have gone 20 feet past at least. Maybe even well off the green. All bets are off then. Reed got a nice break there plus hung one on the slope on 13.and that pretty much stopped a playoff from happening. Winners usually get a break or 2 along the way. The guy who comes in second either doesn't get a break or gets victimized by someone else's breaks. That's golf. Sometimes life too.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 11:28 AM

Noted biologist Zeb Hogan?

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 04:09 PM

View Postdisco111, on 10 April 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

Rickie is a streaky player and when he's on, there's no one better. But, IMO, it's his swing/timing that's his downfall. He really lashes at the ball and if he's just slightly off timing wise, he's finished. How many times have we've seen him in the hunt and his driver blows up and he makes a big number. Just like Hogan, If he can find a way to maintain a good under control tempo swing, he'll win his share of the big one's.

As for the big one's (aka Majors), winning the Players, even though it's not considered a Major, it is considered by all accounts, the strongest field, so one could presume that he counts that as his first Major.................

Well the Players Championship counts the same as a major for Hall of Fame voting. Not sure if Rickie cares about the Hall of Fame. If you win enough you are into the Hall regardless. As Tiger said years ago, "Winning takes care of everything else" whether it's the #1 ranking, Hall of Fame, endorsement money, qualification into big events, etc.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 04:11 PM

View Posttiderider, on 08 April 2018 - 07:33 PM, said:

hogan didn't wait around to congratulate the person that beat him ...

Yeah, he waited 20 minutes to have drinks with Demaret and Burke after one of them beat him. This “take” is getting tired.
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 04:16 PM

View PostMidwestGolfBum, on 10 April 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

View Postredfirebird08, on 10 April 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

View PostDave230, on 09 April 2018 - 01:56 AM, said:

Phil Mickelson is a better comparison, but by 29 Phil had won 13 times on the PGA Tour. Fowler needs to pick up on the PGA Tour wins, four is not enough for a player of his ability.

I always thought Fowler has been tracking to be the next Fred Couples. Loved by the fans, fun player to watch, but not an all-time legend. Think he'll win a major, but like Couples, could see it being just the one. 15 wins/1 major/2 Players. Could see that when all is said and done.


The Couples comparison is a good one, though you will occasionally find people out there who think Couples is a fraud. He hasn't always treated everyone as well as Arnold Palmer. Rickie by all accounts has done his very best to be a nice guy to everyone. Very much in the mold of Arnold. He needs to win more though. Johnny Miller is right about that one. He's the least accomplished superstar we have ever seen in the game. He is a superstar too. I see more TV commercials with Rickie than any other player.

Rickie has the dubious stat of basically never being able to close on Sunday, especially with a lead. Given how much it has happened, it wouldn't be a huge shock if that has become a sort of mental hurdle he is going to need to get over now. That seems like something he is going to be able to get done, but it certainly has to be something that you think about as a player when you are put in that position again. Time will tell how things play out for him, but I could certainly see him getting a major or two in the coming years. Who knows? Maybe that opens the door like it did for Phil or maybe he goes the Freddie route and only get's the one.

He is absolutely well liked by his colleagues and fans alike. In the few interactions I have had with him off the course, he was always incredibly likable, friendly, and welcoming.

All the way into his early 30s Hogan was known for choking and struggling to close our tournaments. Even in his prime he choked away NUMEROUS majors. The only difference is he didn’t have internet and all these talking heads on tv. Do I think Rickie will go on to win as much as Hogan? No, but I think it’s unfair to not give him credit for coming up so clutch on Sunday.
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 04:19 PM

View PostBearQ, on 09 April 2018 - 01:42 AM, said:

Fowler fielded questions very well and seemed very confident moving forward. He made a hell of a run from way back and seemed very primed for a possible playoff. Nothing but positives for him.

His time will come. We waited a lot longer for other guys. Phil at 34. Adam Scott at 32. Cabrera could have genuinely had 4-5 majors after age 37 (very close to doing so), let that soak in. ETC.

Rickie will win the big ones eventually. However the hogan comparison really doesn't work...
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 04:23 PM

View Posttreyerikhayden, on 10 April 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

All the way into his early 30s Hogan was known for choking and struggling to close our tournaments. Even in his prime he choked away NUMEROUS majors. The only difference is he didn't have internet and all these talking heads on tv. Do I think Rickie will go on to win as much as Hogan? No, but I think it's unfair to not give him credit for coming up so clutch on Sunday.

He played great. I was glad to see him avoid the bogies and penalty shots on the back nine. 6 birdies and no bogies from 8th tee box to clubhouse. That is lights out golf. The 72nd hole birdie put some nice pressure on Reed at the very end. I think it was a big step in the right direction for Rickie. Would not surprise me one bit if he wins a major very soon. He said he loves Shinnecock. Maybe it will be the one!


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Posted 10 April 2018 - 04:25 PM

View Postsphna12d, on 08 April 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

No.

yes, he has the game to win 5-10 majors.  he just needs to win the first and i could see a flood.  when he's on he is all around greatttttt, like El Tigre.

View Posttreyerikhayden, on 10 April 2018 - 04:19 PM, said:

View PostBearQ, on 09 April 2018 - 01:42 AM, said:

Fowler fielded questions very well and seemed very confident moving forward. He made a hell of a run from way back and seemed very primed for a possible playoff. Nothing but positives for him.

His time will come. We waited a lot longer for other guys. Phil at 34. Adam Scott at 32. Cabrera could have genuinely had 4-5 majors after age 37 (very close to doing so), let that soak in. ETC.

Rickie will win the big ones eventually. However the hogan comparison really doesn't work...
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 04:36 PM

View Posttgreenwood11, on 08 April 2018 - 07:26 PM, said:

Hogan didn’t start winning majors until he was in his 30s.

Discuss.

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Phil also didn't win one until his 30s. I think when its all said and done Rickie will have his fair share.  

He's so talented once he figures out what the secret sauce is to getting it done, the floodgates may just open up for him.
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:01 PM

View Postredfirebird08, on 10 April 2018 - 04:23 PM, said:

View Posttreyerikhayden, on 10 April 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

All the way into his early 30s Hogan was known for choking and struggling to close our tournaments. Even in his prime he choked away NUMEROUS majors. The only difference is he didn't have internet and all these talking heads on tv. Do I think Rickie will go on to win as much as Hogan? No, but I think it's unfair to not give him credit for coming up so clutch on Sunday.

He played great. I was glad to see him avoid the bogies and penalty shots on the back nine. 6 birdies and no bogies from 8th tee box to clubhouse. That is lights out golf. The 72nd hole birdie put some nice pressure on Reed at the very end. I think it was a big step in the right direction for Rickie. Would not surprise me one bit if he wins a major very soon. He said he loves Shinnecock. Maybe it will be the one!

I agree, I certainly wasn't trying to discredit Rickie with my post earlier, just giving some examples of things that have happened with Rickie in the past. I do think that he will be able to get a win in a major at some point. He certainly has enough game to get it done.
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:12 PM

View PostPittShark, on 10 April 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:

View Postdlygrisse, on 08 April 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

View Postsphna12d, on 08 April 2018 - 07:43 PM, said:

Their playing styles couldn't be more opposite.
Or clothing styles. One dressed like a professional the other like he’s on the way to the gym.

So this is how you dress to go to the gym??

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You might want to consider investing in a t-shirt and some gym shorts instead ;)

I'm a Fowler fan and admittedly biased, but it does kinda make me chuckle that people are still quick to comment on his "loud" attire when a) he's definitely gone far more conservative with his colors and patterns over the last 2-3 years and b) no one seems to comment on Hideki wearing clothes with even brighter/louder colors than Rickie and (in my opinion) some bizarre patterns on the shirts.
I don’t dislike Rickie, I hear he’s a great guy. But comparing him to Hogan?    Cashmere vs. polyester.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 01:03 AM

Hogan comparison is just more hype for a player that has not lived up to expectations.

Maybe he will win, but now he has to contend with Thomas, Spieth, Rahm, Reid, and a number of other 20 somethings who are playing at a very hight level.

I think his window closed significantly, it was open a for little while but he didn't capitalize.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 02:36 AM

View PostgatorMD, on 10 April 2018 - 04:25 PM, said:

View Postsphna12d, on 08 April 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

No.

yes, he has the game to win 5-10 majors.  he just needs to win the first and i could see a flood.  when he's on he is all around greatttttt, like El Tigre.

View Posttreyerikhayden, on 10 April 2018 - 04:19 PM, said:

View PostBearQ, on 09 April 2018 - 01:42 AM, said:

Fowler fielded questions very well and seemed very confident moving forward. He made a hell of a run from way back and seemed very primed for a possible playoff. Nothing but positives for him.

His time will come. We waited a lot longer for other guys. Phil at 34. Adam Scott at 32. Cabrera could have genuinely had 4-5 majors after age 37 (very close to doing so), let that soak in. ETC.

Rickie will win the big ones eventually. However the hogan comparison really doesn't work...
Hogan. Was. 35. When. He. Won. His. First. Major.

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 04:15 AM

He’s too nice to win a major. He needs to develop a harder edge, and stop trying to be best buds with the guys he’s trying to beat.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 10:26 AM

Wow, what a bunch of haters. I'm no Rickie fanatic but the dude is a CLOSER. Look what he did to win the player's championship. He stared Rory down and beat him in a playoff for his first tour win. In the Masters he needed a birdie on 18 to probably get in a playoff and he was absolutely clutch.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 10:34 AM

View PostAlbatross85, on 11 April 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

Wow, what a bunch of haters. I'm no Rickie fanatic but the dude is a CLOSER. Look what he did to win the player's championship. He stared Rory down and beat him in a playoff for his first tour win. In the Masters he needed a birdie on 18 to probably get in a playoff and he was absolutely clutch.

Uhhh... No, he's not a closer when you actually let facts come into the conversation. He's 1 for 6 in closing a 54 hole lead, or 17%. I'm not saying he can't play or I don't like him, especially if you look at what else I have said in this thread, but that's not what I would call a "CLOSER" as you said.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 11:50 AM

View PostAlbatross85, on 11 April 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

Wow, what a bunch of haters. I'm no Rickie fanatic but the dude is a CLOSER. Look what he did to win the player's championship. He stared Rory down and beat him in a playoff for his first tour win. In the Masters he needed a birdie on 18 to probably get in a playoff and he was absolutely clutch.

Rickie is the opposite of a closer.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 12:39 PM

Fowler may have some big wins in him, but comparing him to a legend probably won't work out very well for him.  Let's start with a Hale Irwin, Raymond Floyd, Curtis Strange kind of comparisons, and leave the Hogan comparisons to when he gets to about 5 majors.

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 12:44 PM

View PostMidwestGolfBum, on 11 April 2018 - 10:34 AM, said:

View PostAlbatross85, on 11 April 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

Wow, what a bunch of haters. I'm no Rickie fanatic but the dude is a CLOSER. Look what he did to win the player's championship. He stared Rory down and beat him in a playoff for his first tour win. In the Masters he needed a birdie on 18 to probably get in a playoff and he was absolutely clutch.

Uhhh... No, he's not a closer when you actually let facts come into the conversation. He's 1 for 6 in closing a 54 hole lead, or 17%. I'm not saying he can't play or I don't like him, especially if you look at what else I have said in this thread, but that's not what I would call a "CLOSER" as you said.

View PostFrankensteins Monster, on 11 April 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

View PostAlbatross85, on 11 April 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

Wow, what a bunch of haters. I'm no Rickie fanatic but the dude is a CLOSER. Look what he did to win the player's championship. He stared Rory down and beat him in a playoff for his first tour win. In the Masters he needed a birdie on 18 to probably get in a playoff and he was absolutely clutch.

Rickie is the opposite of a closer.
What would you call his performances then? Go look up the tour stats for people not named Tiger closing out 54 hole leads. My point is when the chips are down, he doesn't falter and very often rises to the occasion.

How many people would have birdied 18 on Sunday when they had to have it?

6 under thru last 6 holes to win the players championship, then stiffed it twice on the island green.

Stiffed it to 4 feet in playoff against Rory/Points at wells fargo

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 01:19 PM

View Posttreyerikhayden, on 10 April 2018 - 04:19 PM, said:

View PostBearQ, on 09 April 2018 - 01:42 AM, said:

Fowler fielded questions very well and seemed very confident moving forward. He made a hell of a run from way back and seemed very primed for a possible playoff. Nothing but positives for him.

His time will come. We waited a lot longer for other guys. Phil at 34. Adam Scott at 32. Cabrera could have genuinely had 4-5 majors after age 37 (very close to doing so), let that soak in. ETC.

Rickie will win the big ones eventually. However the hogan comparison really doesn't work...
Hogan. Was. 35. When. He. Won. His. First. Major.

Rickie.Fowler.Isnt. Ben.Freakin.Hogan.

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 01:23 PM

View PostAlbatross85, on 11 April 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

Wow, what a bunch of haters. I'm no Rickie fanatic but the dude is a CLOSER. Look what he did to win the player's championship. He stared Rory down and beat him in a playoff for his first tour win. In the Masters he needed a birdie on 18 to probably get in a playoff and he was absolutely clutch.

Removing emotion from the equation and looking at the #s he is not a closer at all. Doesnt make anyone a "hater" for pointing that out.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 02:58 AM

View Postrandywildman, on 08 April 2018 - 11:23 PM, said:

Rickie may be too nice for golf. I like him though and he always has a hottie gf and makes bank and seems to have a great life.

He will win a couple majors before he is done. Phil didn't win one before he turned 34 ?
I'm struggling to think of a sport more suitable for a nice guy.


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