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Most of the Top Players at my Course - Play Stock!


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#61 North Texas

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 02:38 PM

Okay, I read this entire thread.

And I'm not understanding at all why anyone would have a problem with anything the OP has said.


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 03:45 PM

1. It is absolutely impossible to tell from looking at the clubs in a bag if the player to whom they belong has be thru a process other than walking into a store and buying clubs off the rack or not.  You don't know the lie angle.  You don't know what length the shafts are, much less if the shafts have been tipped, etc..  You don't know how many wraps of tape are or are not under the grip.  You don't know the swingweight.  I could go on...

2. It is a logical fallacy of the first magnitude to go from the instance to the generalization.  I wore long johns to play golf in NC yesterday morning on Masters Sunday; that doesn't make that the April climate in NC, just the weather.  So talking about the old guy at your club who uses hickory shafts and shoots 59 every day is not relevant.

3. It is inconsistent to believe that the majority of individuals who work hard enough at their golf swing to become really good would, however, be casual about their equipment, rather than avail themselves of modern technology that matches the player to the equipment.

4. Self-fitting is still fitting.  Old clubs may still be in the bag because they fit and work for the player.  I was fitted to i5's many years ago; I'd still be using them today if I hadn't needed to move to graphite shafts.  If the i5s were in my bag and you saw them, you would be in error to say that they are "stock" clubs because they are old clubs.  Likewise, the G30's that replaced them, which I ordered without the help of a clubfitter, are also not "stock", even though the simple and technically correct answer to the question, "Were you fitted for those?" would be, "Well, no...".

5. The idea that a lesser player needs proper equipment less than a better player is as silly as saying that a lesser player needs instruction less than a better player, or needs practice less than a better player, or needs shoes that fit less than a better player.  It's dopey.

6. Getting fitted for clubs adds an insignificant amount to the price of golf, so you can stop speaking of fitting as if it's a big expense that is a waste of money.  Many fitters don't charge at all if you buy the clubs from them, others roll the fitting price into the purchase price.  And even where you have to pay up front for the fitting, the price is generally comparable to a dozen premium golf balls.  (I'm excluding outliers like Club Champion or Hot Stixx; that is a different thing entirely.)  I did a driver fitting in January, and an iron fitting last week; my total expenditure for those fittings beyond the price of the clubs was ZERO.  I did get the guy I worked with on the driver fitting a $50 gift card; we spent nearly two hours figuring it out.

7. If you don't like to get fitted, for whatever reason, great.  If you like to try new stuff because it's new stuff, great.  If you don't care what you shoot, or don't think it matters if you shoot 81 vs. 83, great.  If you don't play competitively and don't understand why winning little prizes is big deal to the people that do compete, great.  But don't confuse those things with the efficacy of using things like Trackman, adjustable clubs, the skills of a good clubfitter, and so on to try to get as much out of the game as possible.  That YOU don't believe in it doesn't make it so.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 03:48 PM

Most at mine don't play stock. They are interested in equipment, getting fit for the right stuff, etc.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 04:03 PM

View PostNorth Texas, on 09 April 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

Okay, I read this entire thread.

And I'm not understanding at all why anyone would have a problem with anything the OP has said.

Many people have spent $$$$$ and feel the need to justify ...

I have spent $$$$$ because it's fun.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 04:09 PM

View PostA.Princey, on 08 April 2018 - 11:43 PM, said:

The more I meddle the harder it is to groove anything..... grips and weight configs have been the flavor lately. I've got to stop, just play the same sh*t and learn my bag for once. My best scoring was before this site got hold of my mind!!!!

This^^^


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:52 PM

View PostNorth Texas, on 09 April 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

Okay, I read this entire thread.

And I'm not understanding at all why anyone would have a problem with anything the OP has said.

poor guy.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 08:22 PM

Location might have a lot to do with answers to these questions.  A lot of the courses I play are $20/18 holes.  Guys at these courses typically do not have fancy equipment.  Guys at exclusive country clubs probably do.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 08:53 PM

I'm a member at a club where the tips are rated 74.7, and the web.com tour event here typically has a winner around 15-20 under par. The best members are high school and college guys who are between scratch and +4. They all have clubs they were fit for but have had for several years. I just got fit for a new set of blades, and I'll tell you I can tell a huge difference in distance control. A PROPER fitting can make a huge difference, but that is not to say it's necessary.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 09:03 PM

I think most amateur golfers don’t belong to GolfWRX so the real amateur world is mostly off the rack. The best players at my club use off the rack clubs they feel ok with.
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There used to be a pro at my club that bumped into players and he’d say let’s play two holes. Your clubs and your balls. He’d do that with most members. He hit great shots with any club and he’d hole out from anywhere on the green. That convinced me it’s mostly about the golfer. Fitting makes it a bit easier, but it won’t be a remarkable improvement.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 09:29 PM

It's all up to the indiviual.


Having said that, though, I play occasionally with 3 different gentemen all of whom have won the US Senior Am (and who competed in numerous Am's and Mid Am's) and all who currently play Society of Senior events.  An amateur who is competitve at a national level, whether US Am, Mid Am, Sr. Am, etc.... has his choice of shafts, heads, fittings, etc by pretty much all the top OEMs.  They have the fitting trucks at all those events.  Two particular head manufacturers and 3 shaft companies have been trying for years to get the Taylor Made driver and Fuji shaft out of one gentleman's hands to no avail.  But, that same guy has a stock 3 wood and shaft he bought with pro shop credit 8 years ago when I was with him.  It remains in his bag today and you'd have to beat him up in order to get it out.  He simply doesn't ever hit a bad shot with it.  The funny thing is that the TM truck measured the shaft for him once and it is almost a full flex weaker than any other shaft in his bag but he was so much confidence in it that he puts his smoothest swing on that club moreso than any club in his bag.


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 10:45 PM

Why do you guys care so much about others? I play golf because I love it. I don't play golf to get a reaction out of someone else based on what clubs are in my bag.
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:06 PM

For most people, fittings are probably more of a palliative measure than anything else.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:36 PM

Fitting "is the biggest scam since one hour martinizing."

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:38 PM

View Postmn44, on 09 April 2018 - 10:45 PM, said:

Why do you guys care so much about others? I play golf because I love it. I don't play golf to get a reaction out of someone else based on what clubs are in my bag.
Why do you care if they care? I feel like we just entered a quagmire.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:45 PM

The guys at my CC who consistently place in our club championship are 0 - 4 hc and they have no idea what the heck WRX is and they have chosen their clubs over time (mostly tend to be Ping or TM GI clubs), and don't take lessons, and don't read Golf Digest, and have no idea what fitting is. They have no idea what P1 or P4 is, they just smack the ball really solidly and far, and they kick my butt on a regular basis.

GOLF WRX has become a contentious, despotic website where trolls abound and free exchange of ideas is suppressed.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:08 AM

None of the top players at my current or former club play off the rack.  They have all even fitted.  Though they donít tinker either.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:19 AM

View Postbluedot, on 09 April 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

View Postppauls1978, on 08 April 2018 - 06:21 PM, said:

Looking at the bags of the top players at my club - most of them play stock clubs.  The top golfers I play with have never been fitted.

Some of them don't even know what shaft is in their drivers....  Some of them even have mis matched wedges! The horror!

They don't know the difference between cast and forged and don't even have putter head covers....

I have a question.

When you look at the bag of another player and see their clubs, how do you know whether they were fitted or bought the clubs off the rack?  How do you know that their clubs aren't an inch longer, or a half inch shorter, or a degree flat, or two degrees upright?  Does a particular hosel setting count as fitted, or off the rack?  Does self-fitting on a monitor count, or only working with a clubfitter?  Does the clubfitter have to be certified, or is an employee at a store sufficient?  Does the employee have to have extensive experience at fitting, or just have a job in a golf store?

I was fitted in 2006 to Ping i5 irons, one inch long, and three degrees upright.  In 2015, I ordered a set of G30's at the same specs except with an R flex in graphite instead of an S flex in steel.  I did NOT work with a club fitter in 2015; does that count as "stock" since I ordered the clubs myself, or fitted since I used the specs for 9 years earlier?  Last week, I did a fitting and ordered some new irons; the specs came out EXACTLY the same as in 2006.

Finally, do you seriously want us to believe that you have players at your club that are both really good AND don't know their shaft flex?  'Cause that one I ain't buying...

Funny, I watched Crossfield's video when he talked to Titleist fitter who was fitting JT's bag for the Masters and he asked if JT knows what shaft he has in his driver and the fitter says "he would say something blue"

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:36 AM

View Postbeluga99, on 08 April 2018 - 10:25 PM, said:

View Postuserpick21, on 08 April 2018 - 06:49 PM, said:

Golf is almost always more archer than arrow, I say. (especially among skilled players)

Would it be "more the archer than the bow"?  The arrow being the ball?  I have always found the "Indian not the arrow" saying curious.  Serious question as the latter saying is very common.
Golf is so much harder than archery to be competent. It would be like if you stuck the ball to the club and could never have a mishit. It is a stupid saying for sure, as the best archers spend so much time making sure their arrows are absolutely perfect. But yeah talent trumps equipment.

Standard is standard for a reason. Many a good player who fits standard can be let down by fittings. Why? Fitters feel like they must give a person something unique, something other than standard to prove their fitting abilities. Better in the simulator is not always better on the golf course...
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 02:29 AM

I enjoy chiding my grins at fitting issues for the abnormal sized world.  At 5'10", and with a 34.5" WTF - I fall smack dab in the middle of all the club/shaft recommended L/L/L charts.

I think the misfit for most of us is getting into the wrong end of shaft weights.   Some players might be real strong, but their swing is not.  Visa versa.  You have to experiment with this parameter somewhat and get the grass-cutting tool working optimally for your game without getting hurt.  That's why I feel pretty good rotating two full bags of clubs often, and I can even play my third set any day.  

I have no match in clubs amongst those, but they feel similar because I fit different OEMs vs. each other with wt. and profiles that aren't too dicrepent  off each other.
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P:Bellum Winmore Midi 787


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Posted 10 April 2018 - 05:03 AM

I remember starting out and being obsessed with equipment and playing with one of our better players, 3 handicap I think. He shot 73 that day. He had the crumbiest set of clubs. Old ping Zing irons from memory. Can't even remember what Driver/woods he had. Outside forums like WRX the rest of the golfing world just couldn't care less about the latest, greatest equipment . They just want to play golf.

That's not to say obsessing over wedge configuration, hybrids vs long irons, 4 wood vs 3 & 5 wood, SGI jacked lofts vs traditional lofts and Anser vs Mallet style putters isn't fun and important to us. :)

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 05:59 AM

View PostBogeyParBogey, on 09 April 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

Location might have a lot to do with answers to these questions.  A lot of the courses I play are $20/18 holes.  Guys at these courses typically do not have fancy equipment.  Guys at exclusive country clubs probably do.

It varies. You would think with money and time they would also be good players but that varies wildly as well.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 06:49 AM

One of the guys in my circle is in golf retail, you NEVER know what he'll show up with in the bag. And he goes low often. Another guy has a circa 90's set of Goosenecks, and old JP wedges that have little bottom grooves left, shoots around par often. Another guy has a set of OLD Titleist MB's, hitting 975 series driver. The other half buys irons every cycle, tries every driver, putter known to man. There is no moral here, only happy retailers when they walk in the door. The better players have settled into something they can rely on, which is their swing and fundamentals.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 06:59 AM

View Postthug the bunny, on 09 April 2018 - 11:45 PM, said:

The guys at my CC who consistently place in our club championship are 0 - 4 hc and they have no idea what the heck WRX is and they have chosen their clubs over time (mostly tend to be Ping or TM GI clubs), and don't take lessons, and don't read Golf Digest, and have no idea what fitting is. They have no idea what P1 or P4 is, they just smack the ball really solidly and far, and they kick my butt on a regular basis.

Haha! Weíre not unlike housewives of the 50s gossiping about their husbands enough for comfort. (Iím relieved to say I only know what P6 is, where either the club or the left arm is parallel to the ground.)

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 07:23 AM

100% agree with OP.

Best guys in my club donít know what shafts they have in their woods, irons or wedges besides it being ďstiffĒ.

When they have an off day they donít make tweaks to their bag. They tweak their swing. Thatís what makes them great.

Way too many butt hurt posts in here. Heís noís not trying to say not to get fit. Heís saying you can still be a good golfer without a fully customized set. The proof is in the pudding with people heís played with, same thing with + handicap players Iíve seen. Take a chill pill.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 07:32 AM

My driver is one I bought from a friend who purchased it off the rack at Dicks. I also have a Direct TV dish hanging off the side of my house. Might even drink a beer later today.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:02 AM

Take your own advice joejoe
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:04 AM

View PostJoeJoeJoeUrBoat, on 10 April 2018 - 07:23 AM, said:

He's saying you can still be a good golfer without a fully customized set.

This needs to be said?  Obviously you can be a good golfer without a customized set.  There is no opponent.  The question is whether or not it is important to playing your best golf, not whether or not you can reach some arbitrary standard of "good".  Of course you can "be good" without knowing about your clubs or being fitted.  Nobody would dispute that.

Justin Thomas could almost certainly beat me with four clubs.  He would almost certainly beat me by more with 14.  Do we come away from that thinking "hey, you only need four clubs to be good!" ?

The message that equipment isn't that important to success is silly because in this game we compete against ourselves.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:49 AM

View Postpinestreetgolf, on 10 April 2018 - 08:04 AM, said:

View PostJoeJoeJoeUrBoat, on 10 April 2018 - 07:23 AM, said:

He's saying you can still be a good golfer without a fully customized set.

This needs to be said?  Obviously you can be a good golfer without a customized set.  There is no opponent.  The question is whether or not it is important to playing your best golf, not whether or not you can reach some arbitrary standard of "good".  Of course you can "be good" without knowing about your clubs or being fitted.  Nobody would dispute that.

Justin Thomas could almost certainly beat me with four clubs.  He would almost certainly beat me by more with 14.  Do we come away from that thinking "hey, you only need four clubs to be good!" ?

The message that equipment isn't that important to success is silly because in this game we compete against ourselves.

Getting fitted won't guarantee that you will play your best golf. There are many people who have improved their game by getting fitted just as there are many people who did not improve their game after getting fitted. And, based on the people who I know that got fitted, there are far more who don't improve than who do improve. As I said, I'm am one of them and because of my personal experience I think getting fitted is way overrated. But that's just me.

And, as far as equipment being important to success or not being important, I've seen a lot of people with either off the rack clubs or or older clubs (10, 20, 30 years old) who can play lights out. So, while equipment can help, I really don't think it's the biggest factor in playing well.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:52 AM

most of the guys at my club..... wait,, i am not part of a club. never-mind moving on.
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:57 AM

jeez some really sensitive people around here.

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