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#31 RobYakes

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 04:11 PM

Ordered custom M4 Driver, 3 Wood, 5 Wood, and 58* Hi-Toe on 3/02/18 and received the Hi-Toe and 5 Wood on 3/19. Driver and 3 Wood won't ship until April 9th. Considering the relative quick turnaround time, I guess there are some perks to being a lefty.

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 04:33 PM

That's why I shop at the BST. Never Backordered!
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Posted 27 March 2018 - 04:42 PM

View Postfalken19150, on 27 March 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Welcome to the private equity world......don’t pay people and never have inventory on the books.

Or welcome to the pretty much anything world....

I've seen probably 1000 threads here over the years where guys openly crap on middle men like the "big box" stores, they refuse to buy there because some college kid had the gall to not know about some tour issue club or model coming out 2 years from now. Online sellers have also made a big dent

Nobody wants to carry inventory. OEMs don't because it's a liability, Big box distributors want to cut back because their business is being attacked by online vendors and discounting policies. Not to mention there's just less of them now due to bankruptcies

But the consumer won't pay more for the convenience of inventory. They just don't realize that they are making that decision.

This is what happens when you put distributors out of business, because OEMs won't stock and even if they want to they can't forecast properly.

This is a side effect in many markets. Buy online and take a chance it's what you want....or wait a long time for your order. It's the same thing at places like Home Depot or Best Buy now. They barely keep anything in stores

Edited by MtlJeff, 27 March 2018 - 04:47 PM.

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 05:49 PM

Guess I got lucky with my M4 order a couple weeks ago. I got it in 1 week after the demo day.
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Posted 27 March 2018 - 05:58 PM

Ordered on Friday M3 driver with stock Tensei white shaft. Looking at May 16th. All stock. 790 irons are April 18th. No 4 iron heads in stock !!!

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#36 JonnyKrasnodar

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 05:59 PM

Is this in Europe as well??

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 09:41 PM

I placed an order about 3 weeks ago and still hasnít shipped. Supposedly some shipments didnít come in as expected for taylormade but not sure. Almost considering cancelling the order but weíll see

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 10:08 PM

i cancelled 2x 790 orders because of this.

Also had a M4 order but they coudln't get a Orange DI 6 shaft so I told them black then they couldn't get a Black DI 7 for the fairway.  

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 11:00 PM

I wonder if the UDI is even worth ordering this Friday if it'll ship months later...

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Posted 27 March 2018 - 11:37 PM

And then there are people that complain because Global Golf doesnt have enough discount codes anymore.

Get used to it people. Keep buying on BST, or last years model on globalgolf or 3balls. The OEMs will just make you wait longer. Or will charge more.


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Posted 27 March 2018 - 11:39 PM

I wonder if this issue is only applying to TM irons/woods.  I ordered a TP Collection Soto putter from DD's last Wednesday morning.  I opted for the Winn AVS black midsize pistol grip which is not a stock option.  The putter arrived at my house today, 4th business day from California to North Carolina.  I was shocked needless to say!

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:01 AM

View PostBearQ, on 27 March 2018 - 11:00 PM, said:

I wonder if the UDI is even worth ordering this Friday if it'll ship months later...

Reconsidering

Yes I was asking a retailer when would be delivered if I ordered Friday, they said they could not let me know until Friday when they actually make the order. so now out of my head - like my current two iron.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 03:16 AM

Hmmmmm. Just in time manufacturing process? Sales doing better than anticipated? More non US orders? Have to admit our local shop owner has waited a month for his 790s and he does thousands of pounds of business with TM each week..

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 04:13 AM

View Postscott_Donald, on 28 March 2018 - 02:01 AM, said:

View PostBearQ, on 27 March 2018 - 11:00 PM, said:

I wonder if the UDI is even worth ordering this Friday if it'll ship months later...

Reconsidering

Yes I was asking a retailer when would be delivered if I ordered Friday, they said they could not let me know until Friday when they actually make the order. so now out of my head - like my current two iron.

I ordered mine from Taylormade's website Monday with a custom lie and grip. Got confirmation this morning it has shipped and will be here Monday. We wouldn't wait though, as soon as it's officially released and marketed they'll be a huge run on them.
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Posted 28 March 2018 - 04:27 AM

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 05:33 AM

The Tiger Woods effect?
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Posted 28 March 2018 - 07:33 AM

View PostGojira, on 28 March 2018 - 05:33 AM, said:

The Tiger Woods effect?

Maybe but tiger isnít even playing any of their clubs
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Posted 28 March 2018 - 07:34 AM

View Postago33, on 28 March 2018 - 07:33 AM, said:

View PostGojira, on 28 March 2018 - 05:33 AM, said:

The Tiger Woods effect?

Maybe but tiger isn't even playing any of their clubs
so, driver, fairways, and UDI don't count? lol

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 07:53 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 27 March 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postfalken19150, on 27 March 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Welcome to the private equity world......don’t pay people and never have inventory on the books.

Or welcome to the pretty much anything world....

I've seen probably 1000 threads here over the years where guys openly crap on middle men like the "big box" stores, they refuse to buy there because some college kid had the gall to not know about some tour issue club or model coming out 2 years from now. Online sellers have also made a big dent

Nobody wants to carry inventory. OEMs don't because it's a liability, Big box distributors want to cut back because their business is being attacked by online vendors and discounting policies. Not to mention there's just less of them now due to bankruptcies

But the consumer won't pay more for the convenience of inventory. They just don't realize that they are making that decision.

This is what happens when you put distributors out of business, because OEMs won't stock and even if they want to they can't forecast properly.

This is a side effect in many markets. Buy online and take a chance it's what you want....or wait a long time for your order. It's the same thing at places like Home Depot or Best Buy now. They barely keep anything in stores

The CPA in me wants me to say that inventory is actually an asset on the balance sheet not a liability.  Although an asset that doesn’t produce value until sold.  Now when we start discussing excess and obsolescence that is another story.

The person in me wants to punch myself in the face.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 07:57 AM

reading these posts makes me wonder just what is going on behind the scenes at TM. my local ed watts still dosnt have the m3/m4 drivers yet. pitifull. I never buy TM stuff new anyway but I would be mad if I did

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 08:21 AM

View Postago33, on 27 March 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

View Postrandy4, on 27 March 2018 - 02:49 PM, said:

That is pretty rediculous, pretty much anything I've ordered from titleist shipped in less than a week.

That's because Titleist doesn't change anything so they can properly forecast
More about Titleist has a piece of the iron market and TM doesn't. TM isn't much different than Nike was in the game, ton of advertising, low sales. If not for the M Series, TM would have disappeared several years ago. Good irons, just not close to the heavyweights....

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 08:24 AM

View Postkmbean, on 28 March 2018 - 07:53 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 27 March 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postfalken19150, on 27 March 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Welcome to the private equity world......don’t pay people and never have inventory on the books.

Or welcome to the pretty much anything world....

I've seen probably 1000 threads here over the years where guys openly crap on middle men like the "big box" stores, they refuse to buy there because some college kid had the gall to not know about some tour issue club or model coming out 2 years from now. Online sellers have also made a big dent

Nobody wants to carry inventory. OEMs don't because it's a liability, Big box distributors want to cut back because their business is being attacked by online vendors and discounting policies. Not to mention there's just less of them now due to bankruptcies

But the consumer won't pay more for the convenience of inventory. They just don't realize that they are making that decision.

This is what happens when you put distributors out of business, because OEMs won't stock and even if they want to they can't forecast properly.

This is a side effect in many markets. Buy online and take a chance it's what you want....or wait a long time for your order. It's the same thing at places like Home Depot or Best Buy now. They barely keep anything in stores

The CPA in me wants me to say that inventory is actually an asset on the balance sheet not a liability.  Although an asset that doesn’t produce value until sold.  Now when we start discussing excess and obsolescence that is another story.

The person in me wants to punch myself in the face.
Yes, but that asset you list at $499 is depreciating as well with another cycle in 3 months......LOL

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 08:27 AM

Wow, that sucks. I ordered a custom Hi-Toe last Wednesday and it was delivered yesterday. I guess I got in right before the back orders started. Now, if I put the same order in it says it wouldn't be delivered until June. Sorry to hear about the issues they are having now.

Edited by chershey, 28 March 2018 - 08:31 AM.

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 08:48 AM

View PostEKELLY, on 28 March 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

View Postkmbean, on 28 March 2018 - 07:53 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 27 March 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postfalken19150, on 27 March 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Welcome to the private equity world......donít pay people and never have inventory on the books.

Or welcome to the pretty much anything world....

I've seen probably 1000 threads here over the years where guys openly crap on middle men like the "big box" stores, they refuse to buy there because some college kid had the gall to not know about some tour issue club or model coming out 2 years from now. Online sellers have also made a big dent

Nobody wants to carry inventory. OEMs don't because it's a liability, Big box distributors want to cut back because their business is being attacked by online vendors and discounting policies. Not to mention there's just less of them now due to bankruptcies

But the consumer won't pay more for the convenience of inventory. They just don't realize that they are making that decision.

This is what happens when you put distributors out of business, because OEMs won't stock and even if they want to they can't forecast properly.

This is a side effect in many markets. Buy online and take a chance it's what you want....or wait a long time for your order. It's the same thing at places like Home Depot or Best Buy now. They barely keep anything in stores

The CPA in me wants me to say that inventory is actually an asset on the balance sheet not a liability.  Although an asset that doesnít produce value until sold.  Now when we start discussing excess and obsolescence that is another story.

The person in me wants to punch myself in the face.
Yes, but that asset you list at $499 is depreciating as well with another cycle in 3 months......LOL

Curious what 3-month cycle theyíre on?
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Posted 28 March 2018 - 08:56 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 27 March 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postfalken19150, on 27 March 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Welcome to the private equity world......donít pay people and never have inventory on the books.

Or welcome to the pretty much anything world....

I've seen probably 1000 threads here over the years where guys openly crap on middle men like the "big box" stores, they refuse to buy there because some college kid had the gall to not know about some tour issue club or model coming out 2 years from now. Online sellers have also made a big dent

Nobody wants to carry inventory. OEMs don't because it's a liability, Big box distributors want to cut back because their business is being attacked by online vendors and discounting policies. Not to mention there's just less of them now due to bankruptcies

But the consumer won't pay more for the convenience of inventory. They just don't realize that they are making that decision.

This is what happens when you put distributors out of business, because OEMs won't stock and even if they want to they can't forecast properly.

This is a side effect in many markets. Buy online and take a chance it's what you want....or wait a long time for your order. It's the same thing at places like Home Depot or Best Buy now. They barely keep anything in stores

If only these distributors could do a little more, like installing grips, shafts, lie and loft .... that would be something different.
Instead of just having std stock and unprepared employees.

As a manufacturer why having a store just mak8ng money for doing nothing? I prefer having my own channel.
Even sometimes damaging your brand for not correctly knowing how to handle or recommend your product. For too long these malpractices generated money, things are changing.

Know if you have a store like club champion as example, itís a different story. They do work


Edited by RodC, 28 March 2018 - 09:00 AM.

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#56 kmbean

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 09:07 AM

View PostEKELLY, on 28 March 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

View Postkmbean, on 28 March 2018 - 07:53 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 27 March 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postfalken19150, on 27 March 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Welcome to the private equity world......don’t pay people and never have inventory on the books.

Or welcome to the pretty much anything world....

I've seen probably 1000 threads here over the years where guys openly crap on middle men like the "big box" stores, they refuse to buy there because some college kid had the gall to not know about some tour issue club or model coming out 2 years from now. Online sellers have also made a big dent

Nobody wants to carry inventory. OEMs don't because it's a liability, Big box distributors want to cut back because their business is being attacked by online vendors and discounting policies. Not to mention there's just less of them now due to bankruptcies

But the consumer won't pay more for the convenience of inventory. They just don't realize that they are making that decision.

This is what happens when you put distributors out of business, because OEMs won't stock and even if they want to they can't forecast properly.

This is a side effect in many markets. Buy online and take a chance it's what you want....or wait a long time for your order. It's the same thing at places like Home Depot or Best Buy now. They barely keep anything in stores

The CPA in me wants me to say that inventory is actually an asset on the balance sheet not a liability.  Although an asset that doesn’t produce value until sold.  Now when we start discussing excess and obsolescence that is another story.

The person in me wants to punch myself in the face.
Yes, but that asset you list at $499 is depreciating as well with another cycle in 3 months......LOL

They can't depreciate inventory.

And it's on their books at cost not $499.

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#57 EKELLY

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 09:08 AM

View Postdanielryanw, on 28 March 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 28 March 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

View Postkmbean, on 28 March 2018 - 07:53 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 27 March 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postfalken19150, on 27 March 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Welcome to the private equity world......don't pay people and never have inventory on the books.

Or welcome to the pretty much anything world....

I've seen probably 1000 threads here over the years where guys openly crap on middle men like the "big box" stores, they refuse to buy there because some college kid had the gall to not know about some tour issue club or model coming out 2 years from now. Online sellers have also made a big dent

Nobody wants to carry inventory. OEMs don't because it's a liability, Big box distributors want to cut back because their business is being attacked by online vendors and discounting policies. Not to mention there's just less of them now due to bankruptcies

But the consumer won't pay more for the convenience of inventory. They just don't realize that they are making that decision.

This is what happens when you put distributors out of business, because OEMs won't stock and even if they want to they can't forecast properly.

This is a side effect in many markets. Buy online and take a chance it's what you want....or wait a long time for your order. It's the same thing at places like Home Depot or Best Buy now. They barely keep anything in stores

The CPA in me wants me to say that inventory is actually an asset on the balance sheet not a liability.  Although an asset that doesn't produce value until sold.  Now when we start discussing excess and obsolescence that is another story.

The person in me wants to punch myself in the face.
Yes, but that asset you list at $499 is depreciating as well with another cycle in 3 months......LOL

Curious what 3-month cycle they're on?
Obviously you missed the point. For a few years TM was dropping woods more than once a year, hence the box stores (Dick's, etc) left with large inventory...

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 09:12 AM

Could Ping and Titleist be gaining some new customers since they have no inventory issues at the moment?
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#59 EKELLY

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 09:17 AM

View Postkmbean, on 28 March 2018 - 09:07 AM, said:

View PostEKELLY, on 28 March 2018 - 08:24 AM, said:

View Postkmbean, on 28 March 2018 - 07:53 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 27 March 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

View Postfalken19150, on 27 March 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Welcome to the private equity world......don’t pay people and never have inventory on the books.

Or welcome to the pretty much anything world....

I've seen probably 1000 threads here over the years where guys openly crap on middle men like the "big box" stores, they refuse to buy there because some college kid had the gall to not know about some tour issue club or model coming out 2 years from now. Online sellers have also made a big dent

Nobody wants to carry inventory. OEMs don't because it's a liability, Big box distributors want to cut back because their business is being attacked by online vendors and discounting policies. Not to mention there's just less of them now due to bankruptcies

But the consumer won't pay more for the convenience of inventory. They just don't realize that they are making that decision.

This is what happens when you put distributors out of business, because OEMs won't stock and even if they want to they can't forecast properly.

This is a side effect in many markets. Buy online and take a chance it's what you want....or wait a long time for your order. It's the same thing at places like Home Depot or Best Buy now. They barely keep anything in stores

The CPA in me wants me to say that inventory is actually an asset on the balance sheet not a liability.  Although an asset that doesn’t produce value until sold.  Now when we start discussing excess and obsolescence that is another story.

The person in me wants to punch myself in the face.
Yes, but that asset you list at $499 is depreciating as well with another cycle in 3 months......LOL

They can't depreciate inventory.

And it's on their books at cost not $499.
Which is $399, then when the MSRP is cut to $399, the manufacturer gives you a $50 credit........Ask Dick's how that worked for them?.....lol

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#60 _MS22_

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 09:17 AM

Let's place orders for custom equipment during the busiest time of the golf equipment cycle, mid-march through late-April, and be upset items are backordered.  This time of the year is nothing new in terms of delays.

Do you know how many large accounts (retailers and clubs) are receiving their seasons inventory right now? All of them.

TM is also famous for over-estimating the timing and delivering early. It is better to estimate 10-12 weeks and send in 6.

Edited by _MS22_, 28 March 2018 - 09:19 AM.

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