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#91 gbartko

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 06:51 PM

View PostPixlPutterman, on 14 May 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

You cant get away with NEAR the mistakes with a blade that you can with other clubs, surprised thats even a debate.

Im not a blade purist, I just like them and I encourage anyone that wants to get some to do so. Blade purists want there to be try outs to even consider getting them.

Im talking the difference between GI/SGI and blades, not the difference between blades and players CBs.

GI lets you get away with being fatter on shots, further off club center, ect.

Do you get some feedback, sure, but if you arent punished for the mishit whats the incentive to fix a mishit?

Like I said, IF the goal is to become a better ball striker, players irons are tool best suited for the journey.

At some point the training wheels need to come off.

I had to ditch my ping i e1 due to the sole being too wide. Couldn’t hit them off tight lies at all. Went back to my s55s but regret getting rid of my s59s.

I’m not interested in being a better ball striker, just shooting lower scores. There is nothing wrong with playing blades for any reason. I just take issue with the DeNinny’s of the world and what amounts to golf club hate speech ;-)

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Posted 14 May 2018 - 08:07 PM

I find the psychological aspect of playing blades to be almost as interesting as that risk/reward, pure strive/punishing mishit side. The pure strike keeps me coming back for more and totally agree with others that my focus is higher when blades are in the bag. I've felt the sting of that ball one groove low or a half inch off the toe to know need to make every shot count. There's also something to be said about the confidence and positive feedback loop hitting the blades well gives me.

Has anyone else noticed they win more matchplay/skins rounds when they have blades in the bag? Could be making it up, but feel there's a certain intimidation aspect for my opponents when they hear that whack of a pure ball. Even more so when they see it carving corners and flying high or low.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:48 AM

View Postgbartko, on 14 May 2018 - 06:51 PM, said:

View PostPixlPutterman, on 14 May 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

You cant get away with NEAR the mistakes with a blade that you can with other clubs, surprised thats even a debate.

Im not a blade purist, I just like them and I encourage anyone that wants to get some to do so. Blade purists want there to be try outs to even consider getting them.

Im talking the difference between GI/SGI and blades, not the difference between blades and players CBs.

GI lets you get away with being fatter on shots, further off club center, ect.

Do you get some feedback, sure, but if you arent punished for the mishit whats the incentive to fix a mishit?

Like I said, IF the goal is to become a better ball striker, players irons are tool best suited for the journey.

At some point the training wheels need to come off.

I had to ditch my ping i e1 due to the sole being too wide. Couldn't hit them off tight lies at all. Went back to my s55s but regret getting rid of my s59s.

I'm not interested in being a better ball striker, just shooting lower scores. There is nothing wrong with playing blades for any reason. I just take issue with the DeNinny's of the world and what amounts to golf club hate speech ;-)

Thats exactly the attitude to have. I know playing blades costs me a few strokes and Im ok with it.

Again a Porsche PDK is faster around a track but lacks some of the driving experience or a 3 pedal manual..........

We are all not out there on the course for the same reason

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:01 PM

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 08:15 PM

View PostPixlPutterman, on 15 May 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

View Postgbartko, on 14 May 2018 - 06:51 PM, said:

View PostPixlPutterman, on 14 May 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

You cant get away with NEAR the mistakes with a blade that you can with other clubs, surprised thats even a debate.

Im not a blade purist, I just like them and I encourage anyone that wants to get some to do so. Blade purists want there to be try outs to even consider getting them.

Im talking the difference between GI/SGI and blades, not the difference between blades and players CBs.

GI lets you get away with being fatter on shots, further off club center, ect.

Do you get some feedback, sure, but if you arent punished for the mishit whats the incentive to fix a mishit?

Like I said, IF the goal is to become a better ball striker, players irons are tool best suited for the journey.

At some point the training wheels need to come off.

I had to ditch my ping i e1 due to the sole being too wide. Couldn't hit them off tight lies at all. Went back to my s55s but regret getting rid of my s59s.

I'm not interested in being a better ball striker, just shooting lower scores. There is nothing wrong with playing blades for any reason. I just take issue with the DeNinny's of the world and what amounts to golf club hate speech ;-)

Thats exactly the attitude to have. I know playing blades costs me a few strokes and Im ok with it.

Again a Porsche PDK is faster around a track but lacks some of the driving experience or a 3 pedal manual..........

We are all not out there on the course for the same reason


In contrast, I find I score a bit better with blades.  That's the reason I play them.  <shrug>

The only CBs I've played that give me close to the same scores are Eye2+.  I don't play them because they come with their own set of issues with my game.  I've long had a major thing for ISI, finally bought a set, they didn't do what I hoped.  Sigh.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 10:15 PM

View PostRSK7070, on 14 May 2018 - 08:07 PM, said:

I find the psychological aspect of playing blades to be almost as interesting as that risk/reward, pure strive/punishing mishit side. The pure strike keeps me coming back for more and totally agree with others that my focus is higher when blades are in the bag. I've felt the sting of that ball one groove low or a half inch off the toe to know need to make every shot count. There's also something to be said about the confidence and positive feedback loop hitting the blades well gives me.

Has anyone else noticed they win more matchplay/skins rounds when they have blades in the bag? Could be making it up, but feel there's a certain intimidation aspect for my opponents when they hear that whack of a pure ball. Even more so when they see it carving corners and flying high or low.
So, the guys you play with are intimidated by your blades?  Seriously?

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 11:37 PM

I’m with you one this one.

It’s very important to have strategic objectives aligned with your goal(s).

With regards to that lengthy post founded on science, I wouldn’t make equipment decisions on science alone because golf has too many intangibles such as personal preference. I have an engineering background as well to know that science isn’t righteous and has too much hate in its community to put all of my faith on them.

Your scientific argument is equivalent to all us picking out a guitar, sure there is material science and design engineering features behind it but all of us will be picking out different guitars for many intangible reasons beyond that science cannot predetermine.

Really to be objective, you basically have to hit balls and find what works best for you; yoking people with science is hog wash.

View PostPixlPutterman, on 14 May 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

You cant get away with NEAR the mistakes with a blade that you can with other clubs, surprised thats even a debate.

Im not a blade purist, I just like them and I encourage anyone that wants to get some to do so. Blade purists want there to be try outs to even consider getting them.

Im talking the difference between GI/SGI and blades, not the difference between blades and players CBs.

GI lets you get away with being fatter on shots, further off club center, ect.

Do you get some feedback, sure, but if you arent punished for the mishit whats the incentive to fix a mishit?

Like I said, IF the goal is to become a better ball striker, players irons are tool best suited for the journey.

At some point the training wheels need to come off.

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 11:42 PM

View Postfarmer, on 15 May 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

View PostRSK7070, on 14 May 2018 - 08:07 PM, said:

I find the psychological aspect of playing blades to be almost as interesting as that risk/reward, pure strive/punishing mishit side. The pure strike keeps me coming back for more and totally agree with others that my focus is higher when blades are in the bag. I've felt the sting of that ball one groove low or a half inch off the toe to know need to make every shot count. There's also something to be said about the confidence and positive feedback loop hitting the blades well gives me.

Has anyone else noticed they win more matchplay/skins rounds when they have blades in the bag? Could be making it up, but feel there's a certain intimidation aspect for my opponents when they hear that whack of a pure ball. Even more so when they see it carving corners and flying high or low.
So, the guys you play with are intimidated by your blades?  Seriously?

LOL. I was going to answer but decided to leave it be. But since you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

There is virtually no way to quantify a psychological edge anything gives (or doesn't) you. You feel the "love" and you feel the "hate" but how much this affects you ? Who knows ?

The "focus" part gets me though. I played all sorts of sports all my life. I am a competitor. I want to win. I can't think of a single sport, golf included, where my equipment made me focus better. I focus because I'm trying,,,,,,, hard,,,,,,, virtually all the time.

As for intimidation. I may or may not be intimidated (for lack of a better word) by how good the SHOT my opponent hit but certainly not by the CLUB that hit it. Yeah, I think he made it up. LOL
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 11:52 PM

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:20 AM

I still play 3, 4, and 5 irons and hell, I've got a 3 that's bent to play like a 2. I cannot play blades and get the same distance/consistency with said clubs, so I don't play blades. My gapping on the top end gets too crowded with them.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 06:49 AM

View Postfarmer, on 15 May 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

View PostRSK7070, on 14 May 2018 - 08:07 PM, said:

I find the psychological aspect of playing blades to be almost as interesting as that risk/reward, pure strive/punishing mishit side. The pure strike keeps me coming back for more and totally agree with others that my focus is higher when blades are in the bag. I've felt the sting of that ball one groove low or a half inch off the toe to know need to make every shot count. There's also something to be said about the confidence and positive feedback loop hitting the blades well gives me.

Has anyone else noticed they win more matchplay/skins rounds when they have blades in the bag? Could be making it up, but feel there's a certain intimidation aspect for my opponents when they hear that whack of a pure ball. Even more so when they see it carving corners and flying high or low.
So, the guys you play with are intimidated by your blades?  Seriously?

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:18 AM

A basic appeal of traditional clubs to average Joe  lies in the weighting of them. They're heavy. Static and SW wise. I appreciate the looks the feel, the feed back but the bottom line is the mass benefit out ways the MOI benefit of a CB. I have CB  that contain same weight characteristics (962B & Top Flite Tours) and they work just as well and the big plus to their enhanced MOI is reigning in errant (over & under) hand action. But that's about it. Blades expose poor hand behavior and forces one to address that (which long term is net positive). MOI offers up real help, I'm not a denier of that but the scope and importance is often over blown. 2/3 of scoring is in driver, wedge and putter, iron play matters a lot but weight and shaft profile matter more than MOI of it's head. My guess is that I'm leaving a stroke or two off the table with a traditional club over a PCB. So for the enhanced feed back & flighting that's an easy trade off for me to make. Most chose otherwise and that's fine. Play to your passion.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:30 AM

View Postnsxguy, on 15 May 2018 - 11:42 PM, said:

View Postfarmer, on 15 May 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

View PostRSK7070, on 14 May 2018 - 08:07 PM, said:

I find the psychological aspect of playing blades to be almost as interesting as that risk/reward, pure strive/punishing mishit side. The pure strike keeps me coming back for more and totally agree with others that my focus is higher when blades are in the bag. I've felt the sting of that ball one groove low or a half inch off the toe to know need to make every shot count. There's also something to be said about the confidence and positive feedback loop hitting the blades well gives me.

Has anyone else noticed they win more matchplay/skins rounds when they have blades in the bag? Could be making it up, but feel there's a certain intimidation aspect for my opponents when they hear that whack of a pure ball. Even more so when they see it carving corners and flying high or low.
So, the guys you play with are intimidated by your blades?  Seriously?

LOL. I was going to answer but decided to leave it be. But since you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

There is virtually no way to quantify a psychological edge anything gives (or doesn't) you. You feel the "love" and you feel the "hate" but how much this affects you ? Who knows ?

The "focus" part gets me though. I played all sorts of sports all my life. I am a competitor. I want to win. I can't think of a single sport, golf included, where my equipment made me focus better. I focus because I'm trying,,,,,,, hard,,,,,,, virtually all the time.

As for intimidation. I may or may not be intimidated (for lack of a better word) by how good the SHOT my opponent hit but certainly not by the CLUB that hit it. Yeah, I think he made it up. LOL
I feel the same way.  I've played for 45 years, I focus on every shot and I don't understand why a GI club causes a lack of attention.  I am impressed by really good play, not intimidated, and certainly not by clubs.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:38 AM

I dont think a GI causes a lack of attention so much as (being more forgiving) allows you to get away with more of a mishit than a "players" iron would.

For some people, that is exactly what they want, for others, its the opposite....

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:45 AM

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I find the psychological aspect of playing blades to be almost as interesting as that risk/reward, pure strive/punishing mishit side. The pure strike keeps me coming back for more and totally agree with others that my focus is higher when blades are in the bag. I've felt the sting of that ball one groove low or a half inch off the toe to know need to make every shot count. There's also something to be said about the confidence and positive feedback loop hitting the blades well gives me.

Has anyone else noticed they win more matchplay/skins rounds when they have blades in the bag? Could be making it up, but feel there's a certain intimidation aspect for my opponents when they hear that whack of a pure ball. Even more so when they see it carving corners and flying high or low.

... My experience is exactly the opposite. As a + index, when I see a bag full of MB's I know I have them beat before we even tee off. I have played with a few DI players and one from the mini tours in Fl that all played forged players CB's and it was obvious from the first swing these guys were PGA Tour caliber ball strikers. Only one played MB's in his 8-pw but his 7-3 irons were 716 CB's. I was not so much intimidated as in awe of their prodigious iron length with accuracy. For all others playing MB's I know I have an instant advantage. I am not naive enough to think that there are not near 0 or + index players using MB's that can beat me on any given day, but seeing MB's produces confidence, not intimidation.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:03 PM

View Postchisag, on 16 May 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

View PostRSK7070, on 14 May 2018 - 08:07 PM, said:

I find the psychological aspect of playing blades to be almost as interesting as that risk/reward, pure strive/punishing mishit side. The pure strike keeps me coming back for more and totally agree with others that my focus is higher when blades are in the bag. I've felt the sting of that ball one groove low or a half inch off the toe to know need to make every shot count. There's also something to be said about the confidence and positive feedback loop hitting the blades well gives me.

Has anyone else noticed they win more matchplay/skins rounds when they have blades in the bag? Could be making it up, but feel there's a certain intimidation aspect for my opponents when they hear that whack of a pure ball. Even more so when they see it carving corners and flying high or low.

... My experience is exactly the opposite. As a + index, when I see a bag full of MB's I know I have them beat before we even tee off. I have played with a few DI players and one from the mini tours in Fl that all played forged players CB's and it was obvious from the first swing these guys were PGA Tour caliber ball strikers. Only one played MB's in his 8-pw but his 7-3 irons were 716 CB's. I was not so much intimidated as in awe of their prodigious iron length with accuracy. For all others playing MB's I know I have an instant advantage. I am not naive enough to think that there are not near 0 or + index players using MB's that can beat me on any given day, but seeing MB's produces confidence, not intimidation.
Looks like I won't be intimidating anyone out on the course anytime soon then! I think if you choose a setup thinking you are going to intimidate anyone, you should revaluate some things in your life. So I guess I agree with you. Never once have I been intimidated by a bag, people get intimidated by a reputation and that comes from scores. Sure I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to admiring other peoples clubs but that has nothing to do with play. My golfing buds all play CBs and consistently beat me as they are D1 collegiate players and should beat a washed up competitor like myself . But I started playing MBs because I wanted to, not because I thought they would drastically change my game (they haven't). They look good, feel good, and make me feel good. My competitive days are over, so whatever clubs make me feel good is going in the bag.
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:25 PM

Yeah, bag is the last thing I look at. Grip, rhythm and ball flight (launch and apex, distance not so much) tell a lot more. Scariest guy has all three and a well worn set of clubs.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:26 PM

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Looks like I won't be intimidating anyone out on the course anytime soon then! I think if you choose a setup thinking you are going to intimidate anyone, you should revaluate some things in your life. So I guess I agree with you. Never once have I been intimidated by a bag, people get intimidated by a reputation and that comes from scores. Sure I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to admiring other peoples clubs but that has nothing to do with play. My golfing buds all play CBs and consistently beat me as they are D1 collegiate players and should beat a washed up competitor like myself . But I started playing MBs because I wanted to, not because I thought they would drastically change my game (they haven't). They look good, feel good, and make me feel good. My competitive days are over, so whatever clubs make me feel good is going in the bag.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:41 PM

View Postchisag, on 16 May 2018 - 12:26 PM, said:

View PostBleederFade, on 16 May 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

Looks like I won't be intimidating anyone out on the course anytime soon then! I think if you choose a setup thinking you are going to intimidate anyone, you should revaluate some things in your life. So I guess I agree with you. Never once have I been intimidated by a bag, people get intimidated by a reputation and that comes from scores. Sure I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to admiring other peoples clubs but that has nothing to do with play. My golfing buds all play CBs and consistently beat me as they are D1 collegiate players and should beat a washed up competitor like myself . But I started playing MBs because I wanted to, not because I thought they would drastically change my game (they haven't). They look good, feel good, and make me feel good. My competitive days are over, so whatever clubs make me feel good is going in the bag.

... I love this post.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:51 PM

I’ve never even thought about being intimidated by someone’s clubs, but now that I’m thinking about it, if I was playing with someone that was carrying an old school Jack Nicklaus like 1 iron... with a perfectly worn/rusted little circle in the center of said 1 iron’s club face... I would start negotiating for more strokes!


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 05:01 PM

View PostBleederFade, on 16 May 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View Postchisag, on 16 May 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

View PostRSK7070, on 14 May 2018 - 08:07 PM, said:

I find the psychological aspect of playing blades to be almost as interesting as that risk/reward, pure strive/punishing mishit side. The pure strike keeps me coming back for more and totally agree with others that my focus is higher when blades are in the bag. I've felt the sting of that ball one groove low or a half inch off the toe to know need to make every shot count. There's also something to be said about the confidence and positive feedback loop hitting the blades well gives me.

Has anyone else noticed they win more matchplay/skins rounds when they have blades in the bag? Could be making it up, but feel there's a certain intimidation aspect for my opponents when they hear that whack of a pure ball. Even more so when they see it carving corners and flying high or low.

... My experience is exactly the opposite. As a + index, when I see a bag full of MB's I know I have them beat before we even tee off. I have played with a few DI players and one from the mini tours in Fl that all played forged players CB's and it was obvious from the first swing these guys were PGA Tour caliber ball strikers. Only one played MB's in his 8-pw but his 7-3 irons were 716 CB's. I was not so much intimidated as in awe of their prodigious iron length with accuracy. For all others playing MB's I know I have an instant advantage. I am not naive enough to think that there are not near 0 or + index players using MB's that can beat me on any given day, but seeing MB's produces confidence, not intimidation.
Looks like I won't be intimidating anyone out on the course anytime soon then! I think if you choose a setup thinking you are going to intimidate anyone, you should revaluate some things in your life. So I guess I agree with you. Never once have I been intimidated by a bag, people get intimidated by a reputation and that comes from scores. Sure I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to admiring other peoples clubs but that has nothing to do with play. My golfing buds all play CBs and consistently beat me as they are D1 collegiate players and should beat a washed up competitor like myself . But I started playing MBs because I wanted to, not because I thought they would drastically change my game (they haven't). They look good, feel good, and make me feel good. My competitive days are over, so whatever clubs make me feel good is going in the bag.

So not drastically, but slightly worse?
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 05:45 PM

View Postdciccoritti, on 16 May 2018 - 05:01 PM, said:

View PostBleederFade, on 16 May 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View Postchisag, on 16 May 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

View PostRSK7070, on 14 May 2018 - 08:07 PM, said:

I find the psychological aspect of playing blades to be almost as interesting as that risk/reward, pure strive/punishing mishit side. The pure strike keeps me coming back for more and totally agree with others that my focus is higher when blades are in the bag. I've felt the sting of that ball one groove low or a half inch off the toe to know need to make every shot count. There's also something to be said about the confidence and positive feedback loop hitting the blades well gives me.

Has anyone else noticed they win more matchplay/skins rounds when they have blades in the bag? Could be making it up, but feel there's a certain intimidation aspect for my opponents when they hear that whack of a pure ball. Even more so when they see it carving corners and flying high or low.

... My experience is exactly the opposite. As a + index, when I see a bag full of MB's I know I have them beat before we even tee off. I have played with a few DI players and one from the mini tours in Fl that all played forged players CB's and it was obvious from the first swing these guys were PGA Tour caliber ball strikers. Only one played MB's in his 8-pw but his 7-3 irons were 716 CB's. I was not so much intimidated as in awe of their prodigious iron length with accuracy. For all others playing MB's I know I have an instant advantage. I am not naive enough to think that there are not near 0 or + index players using MB's that can beat me on any given day, but seeing MB's produces confidence, not intimidation.
Looks like I won't be intimidating anyone out on the course anytime soon then! I think if you choose a setup thinking you are going to intimidate anyone, you should revaluate some things in your life. So I guess I agree with you. Never once have I been intimidated by a bag, people get intimidated by a reputation and that comes from scores. Sure I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to admiring other peoples clubs but that has nothing to do with play. My golfing buds all play CBs and consistently beat me as they are D1 collegiate players and should beat a washed up competitor like myself . But I started playing MBs because I wanted to, not because I thought they would drastically change my game (they haven't). They look good, feel good, and make me feel good. My competitive days are over, so whatever clubs make me feel good is going in the bag.

So not drastically, but slightly worse?
lol just got them a month or so ago so I can't say the club has made me any better or worse. But whatever the next years say I would say is due to my own self not the clubs. I do love these sticks and they are staying in the bag.  I could argue that my iron play has gotten more consistent due to how well I have been controlling the ball with an iron. But scores haven't changed, so no real improvement here.  Gotta start practicing my wedges and putting more frequently if I actually want to improve. Nice putter btw

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:05 PM

Great post

View Postchisag, on 16 May 2018 - 12:26 PM, said:

View PostBleederFade, on 16 May 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

Looks like I won't be intimidating anyone out on the course anytime soon then! I think if you choose a setup thinking you are going to intimidate anyone, you should revaluate some things in your life. So I guess I agree with you. Never once have I been intimidated by a bag, people get intimidated by a reputation and that comes from scores. Sure I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to admiring other peoples clubs but that has nothing to do with play. My golfing buds all play CBs and consistently beat me as they are D1 collegiate players and should beat a washed up competitor like myself . But I started playing MBs because I wanted to, not because I thought they would drastically change my game (they haven't). They look good, feel good, and make me feel good. My competitive days are over, so whatever clubs make me feel good is going in the bag.

... I love this post.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:37 AM

People make way too big of a deal over blades.

Just hit the center of the face with a negative AoA and you'll be fine.
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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:03 PM

After playing CB's for five-fifteen years, a 6-14 handicap (used loosely) is not likely to better his handicap just by switching to Blades.  I've never read where any good amateur, regardless of what irons he plays, would suggest that either.  That 6-14 handicap has to change his approach to the game before tackling blades and the frustration that accompanies them.  If he's unable to change his mindset, he'll struggle, and probably at some point give up and switch back to CB's, and nobody should care.

When I took up the game, I played off the shelve Pings.  I switched to blades 6-8 months later because a relative played them on tour.  I just wanted to be close or scratch golfer and was willing to put in the work.  Thankfully, I was not aware of this silly DB controversy and had no expectations, which made my transition easier.

If you're thinking about switching to blades, you had better be tenacious, patient, comfortable with attention to details and love hitting thousands of golf balls at the range, and not the type to give up on yourself, cause it's not happening quick enough.   You need to find joy in the work.  Playing blades as opposed to CB's is like driving a six sp Porsche 996 C2 vs. an SUV.   Its all about the frame of mind, and enjoying the road to getting there.  :beach:

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:32 PM

View PostNard_S, on 16 May 2018 - 09:18 AM, said:

A basic appeal of traditional clubs to average Joe  lies in the weighting of them. They're heavy. Static and SW wise. I appreciate the looks the feel, the feed back but the bottom line is the mass benefit out ways the MOI benefit of a CB. I have CB  that contain same weight characteristics (962B & Top Flite Tours) and they work just as well and the big plus to their enhanced MOI is reigning in errant (over & under) hand action. But that's about it. Blades expose poor hand behavior and forces one to address that (which long term is net positive). MOI offers up real help, I'm not a denier of that but the scope and importance is often over blown. 2/3 of scoring is in driver, wedge and putter, iron play matters a lot but weight and shaft profile matter more than MOI of it's head. My guess is that I'm leaving a stroke or two off the table with a traditional club over a PCB. So for the enhanced feed back & flighting that's an easy trade off for me to make. Most chose otherwise and that's fine. Play to your passion.

Please elaborate. I was unaware head weights varied much based on how the mass is distributed.

Shafts, sure, "traditional" clubs are more likely to have stock shafts that are heavier, so heavier SW or more "heft."

For the second bolded, are you really saying you prefer to play worse just because you like the look and feel of a certain ball flight? If so, kudos to you. Not my cup of tea, but you likes what you likes.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 08:49 AM

View Postrawdog, on 17 May 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostNard_S, on 16 May 2018 - 09:18 AM, said:

A basic appeal of traditional clubs to average Joe  lies in the weighting of them. They're heavy. Static and SW wise. I appreciate the looks the feel, the feed back but the bottom line is the mass benefit out ways the MOI benefit of a CB. I have CB  that contain same weight characteristics (962B & Top Flite Tours) and they work just as well and the big plus to their enhanced MOI is reigning in errant (over & under) hand action. But that's about it. Blades expose poor hand behavior and forces one to address that (which long term is net positive). MOI offers up real help, I'm not a denier of that but the scope and importance is often over blown. 2/3 of scoring is in driver, wedge and putter, iron play matters a lot but weight and shaft profile matter more than MOI of it's head. My guess is that I'm leaving a stroke or two off the table with a traditional club over a PCB. So for the enhanced feed back & flighting that's an easy trade off for me to make. Most chose otherwise and that's fine. Play to your passion.

Please elaborate. I was unaware head weights varied much based on how the mass is distributed.

Shafts, sure, "traditional" clubs are more likely to have stock shafts that are heavier, so heavier SW or more "heft."

For the second bolded, are you really saying you prefer to play worse just because you like the look and feel of a certain ball flight? If so, kudos to you. Not my cup of tea, but you likes what you likes.

Generally traditional are set up heavier on head and shaft. D2 is standard, shafts tend to be full weighted. Played at 115g-120 g for years but now I'm at 125g-130g. Old school COG is high heel side, newer more center but both have a higher sense of "feel in the hands" than a GI or even player's CB. For some like me the combo is a positive for rhythm and tempo. An unexpected benefit to hoeing a bunch of blades was appreciating  that gross weight, shaft profile and SW mean a lot more to swing than the head itself. Head design matters but getting the others right will shrink strike zone. Fittings are great but it is of benefit to explore the spectrum, test the edges of them and see how it relates to iron head and swing. At the end of it, your swing adapts to club, not the other way around. Gleamed many things by noodling with grams outside of head.

Not sure I'm scoring worse but the nature of traditional is the good is better and the bad is worse. Stats on Iron Byron back this up so in course play going from hero to zero is more fluid. The wall of worry can be higher however the corrective rebound can come faster. So I probably scramble more but have more birdie putts too. Oddly, I don't lose golf balls. The "may be leaving a stroke or two" comes down to the grind factor which can be higher. The major reason for stagnation of scoring lies in creaky mechanics that show up most with metals but do effect iron play too. That and a so-so short game. I'm patiently and organically working all this. It is bearing fruit. Things are fun.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:30 PM

View PostNard_S, on 18 May 2018 - 08:49 AM, said:

View Postrawdog, on 17 May 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

View PostNard_S, on 16 May 2018 - 09:18 AM, said:

A basic appeal of traditional clubs to average Joe  lies in the weighting of them. They're heavy. Static and SW wise. I appreciate the looks the feel, the feed back but the bottom line is the mass benefit out ways the MOI benefit of a CB. I have CB  that contain same weight characteristics (962B & Top Flite Tours) and they work just as well and the big plus to their enhanced MOI is reigning in errant (over & under) hand action. But that's about it. Blades expose poor hand behavior and forces one to address that (which long term is net positive). MOI offers up real help, I'm not a denier of that but the scope and importance is often over blown. 2/3 of scoring is in driver, wedge and putter, iron play matters a lot but weight and shaft profile matter more than MOI of it's head. My guess is that I'm leaving a stroke or two off the table with a traditional club over a PCB. So for the enhanced feed back & flighting that's an easy trade off for me to make. Most chose otherwise and that's fine. Play to your passion.

Please elaborate. I was unaware head weights varied much based on how the mass is distributed.

Shafts, sure, "traditional" clubs are more likely to have stock shafts that are heavier, so heavier SW or more "heft."

For the second bolded, are you really saying you prefer to play worse just because you like the look and feel of a certain ball flight? If so, kudos to you. Not my cup of tea, but you likes what you likes.

Generally traditional are set up heavier on head and shaft. D2 is standard, shafts tend to be full weighted. Played at 115g-120 g for years but now I'm at 125g-130g. Old school COG is high heel side, newer more center but both have a higher sense of "feel in the hands" than a GI or even player's CB. For some like me the combo is a positive for rhythm and tempo. An unexpected benefit to hoeing a bunch of blades was appreciating  that gross weight, shaft profile and SW mean a lot more to swing than the head itself. Head design matters but getting the others right will shrink strike zone. Fittings are great but it is of benefit to explore the spectrum, test the edges of them and see how it relates to iron head and swing. At the end of it, your swing adapts to club, not the other way around. Gleamed many things by noodling with grams outside of head.

Not sure I'm scoring worse but the nature of traditional is the good is better and the bad is worse. Stats on Iron Byron back this up so in course play going from hero to zero is more fluid. The wall of worry can be higher however the corrective rebound can come faster. So I probably scramble more but have more birdie putts too. Oddly, I don't lose golf balls. The "may be leaving a stroke or two" comes down to the grind factor which can be higher. The major reason for stagnation of scoring lies in creaky mechanics that show up most with metals but do effect iron play too. That and a so-so short game. I'm patiently and organically working all this. It is bearing fruit. Things are fun.

I understand shaft weight (which I mentioned in my post) and I understand swing weight, and I understand COG. I'm asking if "traditional" clubheads are heavier in overall weight. If there is no difference in overall weight, then it is the shaft making the difference.

As for the second part, cool beans.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 02:51 PM

In general a player's CB, an AP-2 or JPX is weighted and made to have profile similar to MB. I played DCI, Top Flite Tour and RAM Fx Pro set for 3 seasons each. All PCB. After that I was like "big whoop". Moved to blades or the best PCB I ever owned. TM RAC MB. They're called blades but they have a dual pocket cavity. So they're CB in my book. Great sticks that bridge the divide well. For last 4 years, quality MB's mostly from 1993-2008. Rarely buy new, if given good reason will. Seen AP-2's on the course a lot and aside from the 5th degree karate guy swinging them, not blown away.

On a true GI or SGI model little doubt they are lighter in head and shaft.

Keep in mind that MB's come in all flavors, some are rather normal in mass but others are sledgehammers. Launch angle can vary too for a given loft, point is they're not all the same.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:03 PM

View PostDonno, on 22 March 2018 - 08:01 PM, said:

View PostBig Ben, on 22 March 2018 - 07:56 PM, said:

I always have a muscle back in the rotation. Biggest difference for me is this style of iron likes to be worked, knockdowns, half shots, etc. These are all about controlling the ball by shaping shots. When I try to be to point and shot I can struggle with missing greens. I really enjoy using my MB's but they really are not for everyone's game. BB

Isn't golf really all about physics?  Aren't clubs all the same face width?  Not directed at you...but one of the reason blades are "harder to hit" is because they don't have most of the weight at the toe.  Besides, the blades provide feedback..."hey....TOE SHOT"...where other clubs provide little feedback...which leads to enabling more swing flaws.  Just IMO.
if i could stop hitting bad shot i wouldve already done it by now...

Not a matter of feedback it's a matter of skill....

Sometimes or alot of times I know wtf I am doing wrong I just can't fix it during a round......just bcuz you know doesn't mean you can do it

If that was case everyone wud be shooting par, lol

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