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Wilson FG Tour F5 irons and Maltby Playbility Factor


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#1 Cincyhacker85

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:11 PM

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I recently bought a set of Wilson FG Tour F5 irons with DG XP s300 shafts for dirt cheap. Had my eyes on these for a while. Why is the Maltby Playbility factor (MPF) so low for these? I knew about this rating system but didn't bother to check it before buying.  At this point I am just curious and I will decide on my own if these irons will work for me. I would like some input from others though about this low score. The MPF is super low for these, lower than most blades. I think they score a 200 and were among the lowest I saw. These irons seem fine to me, so whats up with the low MPF?

I thought these would be a little more forgiving than my CG16 tours, but it is not even close according to the MPF. Is the MOI more important for forgiveness, or the CG? Or does it matter more for what type of forgiveness I need? I think I miss low on face at times, so maybe these will work their way out  after I use them more and they punish me more than what I am accustomed to.

Just to clarify, I like these irons very much. The low ranking by this system was just confusing to me.

Edited by Potter85, 26 March 2018 - 07:25 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:15 PM

I wouldn't put much stock in the MPF. Personal experience is best.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:16 PM

Wilsons just aren't the most sought after clubs. They, are incredible, though. I loved mine. They were my first forged set of irons and I think they're as good as any other forged iron out there. Yeah, I said it. They were as good as my Mizunos, Pings, etc. etc. But, after that, it comes down to looks.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:18 PM

Because MPF is a flawed attempt to measure something that isn't well described through the measurements taken.

Take it for what it is; an equation, not gospel, and not how it affects you personally.

I like to equate it to FIFA rankings... sure, if your club is fat, it'll have a higher number, but it isn't like weekly rankings.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:31 PM

Reasons for low MPF: short blade, high CG, CG close to the face

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:04 PM

Vertical cog is above equator of ball (.913). Distance from hosel to horizontal sweet spot is short (1.193).

The lower the vcog and the higher the c-dimension, the higher it will score based on the theory it is easier to get the sweet spot on the ball with a vcog below the equator and as far from the hosel as possible.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:13 PM

 DFinch, on 13 March 2018 - 08:04 PM, said:

Vertical cog is above equator of ball (.913). Distance from hosel to horizontal sweet spot is short (1.193).

The lower the vcog and the higher the c-dimension, the higher it will score based on the theory it is easier to get the sweet spot on the ball with a vcog below the equator and as far from the hosel as possible.

Oh man, thanks to everyone for the quick responses. This clear it up some.  I like the clubs a lot so far.

Edited by Potter85, 13 March 2018 - 08:13 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:27 AM

All I can tell you is that I love mine. I've had them for over a year now and they're remarkably forgiving, IMO.  I'm a big fan.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:32 AM

I like Wilson and really liked the way the way the F5s set up.  However, during my fitting, they just never felt quite right - never quite solid.  The numbers were fine so I decided to revisit them another day and had the same exact experience.  On a hunch, I checked Maltby's measurements and saw the high COG which explained a lot relative to the feel.  I am a sweeper and high COG irons usually do not feel great to me.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:05 AM

I will say that the 4-7 are the easiest to hit of any irons Iíve ever had. You can actually see the cutout in the cavity where the cut extends nearly to the sole. This is misleading in the MPF because itís not measured but the face flexes down there making thin shots feel and fly perfectly.  I didnít like the short irons though and now have the p790 irons which are also very easy to hit the long irons.

F5 are phenomenal irons - I gave them to my dad and he loves them.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:10 AM

just like you i bought them thinking they would be forgiving, i played them for 2 rds and promptly sold them.  they felt horrible :(

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 06:13 PM

I actually think they are somewhat forgiving. Maybe I will find out they are a little less forgiving than I was planning, once I play them on the course more. I've hit them on the range, simulator, and 9 holes and the MPF score seems way low to be so unplayable that most tour pros won't touch them.  I am definitely not hitting the same exact spot on the club. Have not hit the long irons very much I guess, so maybe time will tell.

MPF just seems so low though, I guess I was wondering what else makes these clubs forgiving that isn't considered in the MPF? Tim583 kind of touched on it.

 tim583, on 14 March 2018 - 10:05 AM, said:

I will say that the 4-7 are the easiest to hit of any irons I've ever had. You can actually see the cutout in the cavity where the cut extends nearly to the sole. This is misleading in the MPF because it's not measured but the face flexes down there making thin shots feel and fly perfectly.  I didn't like the short irons though and now have the p790 irons which are also very easy to hit the long irons.

F5 are phenomenal irons - I gave them to my dad and he loves them.

That is right, I remember listening to the Wilson rep talking about that when researching these clubs. Thank you.

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 05:40 AM

MPF loves a low center of gravity, below the equator of the ball. That increases launch and spin, too much for me.

I prefer clubs with a little higher COG that launch a little lower, which in the past is how many clubs were designed. I find clubs with a high MPF often produce moonballs for me and so I ignore it. In fact, if the MPF score is really high, I wonít love the club. I think it is not an indicator of how playable the club is as much as it hints at launch and spin. MPF loves a long heel to toe head size, which I canít look at.

MPF ranks the Nike VPC low and that club is excellent for me, quite easy to launch. It downgrades many Mizuno heads that I played well, such as the MP59 and MP5. So I now think MPF is not to be considered when choosing irons unless you struggle to get the ball in the air. I struggle to keep it down. All the clubs I like seem to be below 450 on the MPF scale. Give me an anti-MPF rating!
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:10 AM

I played the 2015 Ben Hogan Ft Worth irons all last year. They are the best feeling irons I’ve ever hit and a big thing that stood out was their forgiveness when I hit it a little thin. I thought they were very forgiving for a blade. Then I recently found MPF and they are, according the that stat, something like the third most difficult iron to hit ever made. It has like a 90 mpf. I don’t put a ton of stock into it
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