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#1 BB28403

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 12:17 PM

Looking at the 2017 stats on ESPN's money list of PGA tour players.

The top 250 players made at least $100,000.  
Even Fred Couples was included with just 1 event making $148,500.  

So after taxes, which I would argue would be 30-40% with a good accountant.  
What are their expenses?  

Do these "Big Bucks" come with Big Expenses too?

Edited by BB28403, 12 March 2018 - 12:18 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 12:20 PM

Of course they do. Factor another 5-10% for the caddy and travel costs vary greatly between what the player chooses.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 12:31 PM

I imagine a PGA pro has over 100k in expenses every year without even giving a caddie a bonus for a win. Even if they fly commercial coach and stay in regular hotel rooms it starts to add up. Throw in all their coaches and eating on the road you're easily at 100k. I wouldn't be shocked to find out they pay their coaches over 50k a year for guys who aren't even well known.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 01:10 PM

Do tour pros pay out of winnings their agents and/or managers?

I would assume no as the agents or managers didnít negotiate anything there.

Iíd also add practice facilities to the list of expenses. Iím not sure how it works, but if youíre top 250 in the world you probably need a tour friendly club membership. Those arenít cheap and I canít see a top 200-250 getting a free one or worse slumming it at a muni with a few large buckets everyday.

Iíd estimate a PGA tour pro 125-250 probably has to win in the neighborhood of $250k - 400k minimum to cover expenses and live some semblance of a comfortable life ie decent home or condo, food, health care etc.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 01:14 PM

I don't think 100K would touch the expenses of a Top 50 Tour Pro.  Coaches, Psychologists, Trainers, Caddies.....

Go to a Tour event and take a look at how many have an entourage or "Team."  These guys are always talking about their "Teams" - those guys aren't free.

My guess is that a Top 25 player probably has $250 per year in expenses or more.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 01:24 PM


An article about Ben Martin from a few years ago. It states a minimum of $110,000 to play the PGA tour. Plus whatever it costs to live when there not playing.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 01:28 PM

They mentioned Tiger has his own groundskeeper, a guy that used to work at Augusta. I imagine he also has his own pilot, his own chef, his own trainer, a few maids/butlers, captain for his boat, landscaper, etc. I also imagine most of the top guys are pretty much the same. I notice a lot of players have a NetJets or Wheels Up logo on their shirt now, I imagine they are getting nice discount there, but they aren't exactly flying commercial coach. I do notice a lot of them fly together I assume to lower costs.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:34 AM

With a good accountant maybe 12 percent!!

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:44 AM

instead of topics like rolling the ball back, the pga should be really looking at this issue. Most people on tour come from $$$$ and the barrier to entry is almost impossible to break through. Don't get me wrong these guys, girls are good and work for what they get. But I'd bet most are not getting to where they got without being born into money.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:56 AM

If you have the skills the money will find you. "Coming from money" isn't a prerequisite but it helps. Many young people is have people cut a check to help them out with expenses and then it's up to them. It's certainly not cheap to try to make it.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:03 AM

View Postbuckeyefl, on 13 March 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

If you have the skills the money will find you. "Coming from money" isn't a prerequisite but it helps. Many young people is have people cut a check to help them out with expenses and then it's up to them. It's certainly not cheap to try to make it.

I completely agree with you but from an outside perspective, unless you get a full ride and then do well your first year. Your not making it. The web.com tour guys are insanely good and to go from there to the pga just shows how good you have to be. And a lot of it comes from being young and have mom, dad get you to a very good instructor at an early age.

It surely isn't a prerequisite but it also helps more then the ball is helping the yardage over the last couple years.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:10 AM

View PostBrockPSU, on 13 March 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

View Postbuckeyefl, on 13 March 2018 - 09:56 AM, said:

If you have the skills the money will find you. "Coming from money" isn't a prerequisite but it helps. Many young people is have people cut a check to help them out with expenses and then it's up to them. It's certainly not cheap to try to make it.

I completely agree with you but from an outside perspective, unless you get a full ride and then do well your first year. Your not making it. The web.com tour guys are insanely good and to go from there to the pga just shows how good you have to be. And a lot of it comes from being young and have mom, dad get you to a very good instructor at an early age.


This is why getting a win on the PGA Tour and getting a full exemption for 2 years is such a big, big deal, and I think a bigger reward than the prize money for winning.  Sure the winning check is nice, but you literally have no worries for two seasons about where you are playing and how much you can play, and as long as you at least make a good share of cuts, you're earning a very good living.  But it gives you the peace of mind of knowing that if you have a slump or a slow period, you're in no danger of losing your status.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:20 AM

Those guys get to Marriot Gold Elite status pretty quick.


Maybe once in the top 250 there are sponsorship opportunities that help with travel costs.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:24 AM

Although I have no direct knowledge of it it wouldn't surprise me if some of the sponsorship deals you see are in place to cover expenses rather than just a cash endorsement.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:28 AM

View PostBrockPSU, on 13 March 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

instead of topics like rolling the ball back, the pga should be really looking at this issue. Most people on tour come from $$$$ and the barrier to entry is almost impossible to break through. Don't get me wrong these guys, girls are good and work for what they get. But I'd bet most are not getting to where they got without being born into money.

The PGA Tour has expressed zero interest in either a ball rollback or how much their players spend on expenses. Look elsewhere for your favorite non-existent ďproblemĒ to be addressed.

Edited by North Butte, 13 March 2018 - 10:28 AM.

Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:29 AM

View Postthe bishop, on 13 March 2018 - 10:24 AM, said:

Although I have no direct knowledge of it it wouldn't surprise me if some of the sponsorship deals you see are in place to cover expenses rather than just a cash endorsement.

Could be. Maybe the guys like Ryan Moore that have ďBellagioĒ on all their shirts have travel expenses covered by whoever owns Bellagio
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:42 AM

View PostNorth Butte, on 13 March 2018 - 10:28 AM, said:

View PostBrockPSU, on 13 March 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

instead of topics like rolling the ball back, the pga should be really looking at this issue. Most people on tour come from $$$$ and the barrier to entry is almost impossible to break through. Don't get me wrong these guys, girls are good and work for what they get. But I'd bet most are not getting to where they got without being born into money.

The PGA Tour has expressed zero interest in either a ball rollback or how much their players spend on expenses. Look elsewhere for your favorite non-existent "problem" to be addressed.

If there was no interest it wouldn't be talked about during a pga tour event or on the golf channel and would have been shot down 20 years ago when first addressed. But here we are. I don't think the roll back is a problem and never said that.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:47 AM

Shackelford and the jabbering idiots on Golf Channel do not in any way represent the views of the PGA tour!


Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:47 AM

A PGA Tour players endorsement deals easily cover their travel/golf expenses 3-5x over.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:55 AM

Tom Watson's ex-wife would spend upwards of $1,500 per week for fresh flowers at the house.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:37 AM

Figure a run of the mill guy playing 30 events and being fully exempt into everything but the majors and limited field events:

Caddie: $30k salary, $45k in bonus (5% of earnings, no wins) - $75k
Travel: 30 weeks of air travel through the pga tour agent - $7500
Hotel: 190 nights/$150 night - $28,500
Car: figure $0
Food: if they want most food is covered, but letís figure $200/week - $6000

$117k for a non discript guy like Richy Werenski who isnít traveling with a nutritionist, weight coach, putting guy, etc.  make $900k, payout $120 or so and taxes on the balance and he clears $470k or so from earnings. That sound right(ish)?

As a kicker - These guys can play/practice at any TPC facility they choose  



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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:40 AM

View PostFerguson, on 13 March 2018 - 10:55 AM, said:

Tom Watson's ex-wife would spend upwards of $1,500 per week for fresh flowers at the house.

Elton John isn't impresssed:

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:43 AM

View Postgolfandfishing, on 13 March 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

Figure a run of the mill guy playing 30 events and being fully exempt into everything but the majors and limited field events:

Caddie: $30k salary, $45k in bonus (5% of earnings, no wins) - $75k
Travel: 30 weeks of air travel through the pga tour agent - $7500
Hotel: 190 nights/$150 night - $28,500
Car: figure $0
Food: if they want most food is covered, but let's figure $200/week - $6000

$117k for a non discript guy like Richy Werenski who isn't traveling with a nutritionist, weight coach, putting guy, etc.  make $900k, payout $120 or so and taxes on the balance and he clears $470k or so from earnings. That sound right(ish)?

As a kicker - These guys can play/practice at any TPC facility they choose  

I'd assume they're covering all their caddies expenses as well for travel and a per diem for food.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:50 AM

View PostPsyber, on 13 March 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

View Postgolfandfishing, on 13 March 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

Figure a run of the mill guy playing 30 events and being fully exempt into everything but the majors and limited field events:

Caddie: $30k salary, $45k in bonus (5% of earnings, no wins) - $75k
Travel: 30 weeks of air travel through the pga tour agent - $7500
Hotel: 190 nights/$150 night - $28,500
Car: figure $0
Food: if they want most food is covered, but let's figure $200/week - $6000

$117k for a non discript guy like Richy Werenski who isn't traveling with a nutritionist, weight coach, putting guy, etc.  make $900k, payout $120 or so and taxes on the balance and he clears $470k or so from earnings. That sound right(ish)?

As a kicker - These guys can play/practice at any TPC facility they choose  

I'd assume they're covering all their caddies expenses as well for travel and a per diem for food.

They do not typically cover a caddieís expenses. Maybe a top 25 in the world guy but not your bump and grinders.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:32 PM

View Postebrasmus21, on 13 March 2018 - 10:20 AM, said:

Those guys get to Marriot Gold Elite status pretty quick.


Maybe once in the top 250 there are sponsorship opportunities that help with travel costs.

Actually it is Marriott Platinum status nowadays and coupled with the Chase Marriott Visa it is a pretty cool thing.  I got my stay rates down by 25% at certain hotels.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:46 PM

I talked to player new on tour that won recently. He said not only are you paying for travel and expenses for you and caddy, but that you are going during peak times. So, the travel and lodging are at higher than normal prices. Plus, you often times don't know your schedule far enough in advance to make cheaper flights, when you are low on the tour. Last year they went straight from mexico on Monday to South Carolina for a practice round on Tuesday and pro am on Wednesday.
He also talked about the year before on web tour, the two weeks in the bahamas. How expensive travel and lodging was for the guys those two weeks.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:54 PM

View Postsethdavidsdad, on 13 March 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

I talked to player new on tour that won recently. He said not only are you paying for travel and expenses for you and caddy, but that you are going during peak times. So, the travel and lodging are at higher than normal prices. Plus, you often times don't know your schedule far enough in advance to make cheaper flights, when you are low on the tour. Last year they went straight from mexico on Monday to South Carolina for a practice round on Tuesday and pro am on Wednesday.
He also talked about the year before on web tour, the two weeks in the bahamas. How expensive travel and lodging was for the guys those two weeks.

Was it Wesley Bryant?

That's good info man, thank you.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 01:01 PM

View Postgolfandfishing, on 13 March 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

Figure a run of the mill guy playing 30 events and being fully exempt into everything but the majors and limited field events:

Caddie: $30k salary, $45k in bonus (5% of earnings, no wins) - $75k
Travel: 30 weeks of air travel through the pga tour agent - $7500
Hotel: 190 nights/$150 night - $28,500
Car: figure $0
Food: if they want most food is covered, but letís figure $200/week - $6000

$117k for a non discript guy like Richy Werenski who isnít traveling with a nutritionist, weight coach, putting guy, etc.  make $900k, payout $120 or so and taxes on the balance and he clears $470k or so from earnings. That sound right(ish)?

As a kicker - These guys can play/practice at any TPC facility they choose  
Only an average of $250 per trip for airfare for golfer and Caddie combined?

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 01:04 PM

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 13 March 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

View Postgolfandfishing, on 13 March 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

Figure a run of the mill guy playing 30 events and being fully exempt into everything but the majors and limited field events:

Caddie: $30k salary, $45k in bonus (5% of earnings, no wins) - $75k
Travel: 30 weeks of air travel through the pga tour agent - $7500
Hotel: 190 nights/$150 night - $28,500
Car: figure $0
Food: if they want most food is covered, but let's figure $200/week - $6000

$117k for a non discript guy like Richy Werenski who isn't traveling with a nutritionist, weight coach, putting guy, etc.  make $900k, payout $120 or so and taxes on the balance and he clears $470k or so from earnings. That sound right(ish)?

As a kicker - These guys can play/practice at any TPC facility they choose  
Only an average of $250 per trip for airfare for golfer and Caddie combined?

Methinks he dropped a zero there.
Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 01:05 PM

View Postsethdavidsdad, on 13 March 2018 - 12:46 PM, said:

I talked to player new on tour that won recently. He said not only are you paying for travel and expenses for you and caddy, but that you are going during peak times. So, the travel and lodging are at higher than normal prices. Plus, you often times don't know your schedule far enough in advance to make cheaper flights, when you are low on the tour. Last year they went straight from mexico on Monday to South Carolina for a practice round on Tuesday and pro am on Wednesday.
He also talked about the year before on web tour, the two weeks in the bahamas. How expensive travel and lodging was for the guys those two weeks.

Almost no guys pay for their caddyís travel and accommodations.  They give the caddy a weekly salary (plus % of earnings) and they pay for their own travel out of that.  Again their endorsement deals cover their expenses by 3-5x


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