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Do we undervalue CONSISTENCY and MAJOR RESULTS?


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#31 JaNelson38

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:57 AM

View PostHawkeye77, on 12 March 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

View PostJaNelson38, on 12 March 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

Yes, consistency is undervalued.  But I dont think Stricker has earned a Masters invite any more than a guy like Sharma has.  Im still of the opinion Sharma got his Masters invite basically because he became a media darling for a week due to his interactions with Phil Mickelson.  I mean, Corey Conners did at the Valspar this week basically what Sharma did at the WGC-Mexico - lead for three rounds with solid play and then fall apart on Sunday.  But I dont see ANGC with a Masters invite for Conners today.

Either you earn the invite through the qualification criteria or you dont.  There are PGA Tour winners who dont get Masters invites because they won "off events" that the Tour doesnt give full FedEx Cup points for - which is a joke in and of itself.  

If ANGC wants to involve more of the global golf community in their tournament, then give certain Euro Tour event winners invites.  Or give invites to the top 5 players on the Order of Merit or something like that.  Stay away from the special invites, especially when some PGA Tour winners arent invited.

Connors leading the Race to Dubai? How many tournaments has he won?

The Race to Dubai standings or wins on the European Tour (other than the Open of course) are not a qualification to get into the Masters.  If ANGC wants to make those part of it, Im all for it.  Just get away from the special invites altogether and keep your qualification criteria consistent.  Its the most exclusive golf tournament in the world, and the most difficult to get in to....keep it that way by staying true to your qualification standards.  If you want to continue to grow the game globally while maintaining the commitment to keeping the elite players in your field, then recognize the European Tour as an equal and give winners for those events invites.  You'd literally have all your bases covered then with the best in America and the best in Europe/Asia in your field.

Sharma has literally done nothing to earn an invite to the Masters....at least, nothing more than any other of the golfers on the outside looking in to go to Augusta.  The only thing that's separating him from any of the other current non-qualifiers is that he was a media darling for a week due to interactions with one of the most popular golfers on the PGA Tour.  That's really it, to be honest.  Meanwhile, we got PGA Tour event winners who dont get invites because they are "off events" that dont give full FedEx Cup points.  Its absurd.

Edited by JaNelson38, 13 March 2018 - 10:03 AM.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:45 AM

It doesn't matter what WE or YOU think.  Only the Masters Tournament Committee.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:48 AM

Why is they #3 player in the world even mentioned? Are you saying if the #3 player is invited, then why isn't Steve Stricker?
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:55 AM

i can't remember a time seeing Steve Stricker and undervalued in the same post.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:50 PM

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 12 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Not sure but given the choice I'd take Stricker's career any day over some flash in the pan that wins a major and then barely does anything noteworthy in golf again.

If it weren't for Stricker's relationship to Tiger, no one would really know who Stricker is.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 01:14 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 13 March 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 12 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Not sure but given the choice I'd take Stricker's career any day over some flash in the pan that wins a major and then barely does anything noteworthy in golf again.

If it weren't for Stricker's relationship to Tiger, no one would really know who Stricker is.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 01:25 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 13 March 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 12 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Not sure but given the choice I'd take Stricker's career any day over some flash in the pan that wins a major and then barely does anything noteworthy in golf again.

If it weren't for Stricker's relationship to Tiger, no one would really know who Stricker is.
Ugh... Sorry but that simply isn't true. Though many Tiger fans know little to nothing about golf, so those people don't know Stricker or most other PGA players.

Edited by BlackDiamondPar5, 13 March 2018 - 01:27 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 02:58 PM

The fact Sticker hasn't won, is the reason he isn't there and shouldn't be there.

Win a Masters, you get to go for life.

If you can't win it, then qualify another way.

The end result of Stricker being invited in (just for the sake of it) just means they would like to see him make the cut, because that's what he is good at.

Versus Sharma got an invite, because clearly the committee thinks he capable of winning it.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 03:04 PM

Doesnt winning the US senior open get you into the the US open and PGA? and then by default dont you get into the masters if you finish in the top 5 of any majors? Stricker is definitely capable of doing that to get in next year. i think also if you finish top 12 in the masters you get in next year. I think he deserves an invite

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 06:24 PM

View Postlegitimategolf, on 12 March 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

View Postimakaveli, on 12 March 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

Nobody cares about consistency, we care about wins and basically we care only about Major wins

Fake news! Rickie got a bunch of top 5s a few years ago and you all made a huge deal out of that.

Because it seemed like Rickie had made the switch from all flash to legitimate contender.  We were wrong, but that’s not the point.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:34 PM

View Postimakaveli, on 12 March 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

Nobody cares about consistency, we care about wins and basically we care only about Major wins

I think people say that majors are the be-all end all, but I actually think consistency and name recognition can win out over wins and even majors.

Example - two groups of five golfers - group A and group B.

Group A:  45 PGA Tour victories, zero majors.

Group B:  57 PGA Tour victories, five majors.

Group A:  Rickie Fowler, Steve Stricker, Matt Kuchar, Brandt Snedeker, and Kenny Perry.

Group B:  Mike Weir, Craig Stadler, David Toms, Geoff Ogilvy, and Corey Pavin.

Granted, a lot of guys in group B are past their primes, but just based on wins/majors you would assume that Group B may far outweigh group A in terms of name recognition/legacy, but I think it's pretty clear they don't.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:38 PM

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 13 March 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 13 March 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 12 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Not sure but given the choice I'd take Stricker's career any day over some flash in the pan that wins a major and then barely does anything noteworthy in golf again.

If it weren't for Stricker's relationship to Tiger, no one would really know who Stricker is.
Ugh... Sorry but that simply isn't true. Though many Tiger fans know little to nothing about golf, so those people don't know Stricker or most other PGA players.

Yes, Stricker the "hanger on." LOL with some of these people.
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 04:59 AM

View PostTitleist 670, on 13 March 2018 - 09:34 PM, said:

View Postimakaveli, on 12 March 2018 - 10:49 AM, said:

Nobody cares about consistency, we care about wins and basically we care only about Major wins

I think people say that majors are the be-all end all, but I actually think consistency and name recognition can win out over wins and even majors.

Example - two groups of five golfers - group A and group B.

Group A:  45 PGA Tour victories, zero majors.

Group B:  57 PGA Tour victories, five majors.

Group A:  Rickie Fowler, Steve Stricker, Matt Kuchar, Brandt Snedeker, and Kenny Perry.

Group B:  Mike Weir, Craig Stadler, David Toms, Geoff Ogilvy, and Corey Pavin.

Granted, a lot of guys in group B are past their primes, but just based on wins/majors you would assume that Group B may far outweigh group A in terms of name recognition/legacy, but I think it's pretty clear they don't.

You are comparing the most popular non-Major winners with least popular Major winners to prove your point...

Edited by imakaveli, 15 March 2018 - 06:11 AM.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 06:00 AM

View PostJaNelson38, on 12 March 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

Yes, consistency is undervalued.  But I dont think Stricker has earned a Masters invite any more than a guy like Sharma has.  Im still of the opinion Sharma got his Masters invite basically because he became a media darling for a week due to his interactions with Phil Mickelson.  I mean, Corey Conners did at the Valspar this week basically what Sharma did at the WGC-Mexico - lead for three rounds with solid play and then fall apart on Sunday.  But I dont see ANGC with a Masters invite for Conners today.

Are you seriously suggesting the current leader of Race to Dubai rankings, two-time winner this year, world number 64, 18th in world ranking points gained this year, and a random guy ranked 519th in the world have done equally well and thus are equally deserving of a spot in the tournament? Or that one of the hottest players currently shouldn't receive an invite?
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