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Money & Motivation on Tour


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#31 nochct1

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:10 PM

View Postbogeypro, on 12 March 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

View PostAaronwilson_95, on 11 March 2018 - 12:18 AM, said:

You don't travel 30 weeks a year when you could be retired and only travel from home to home to home if you aren't truly trying to win . IMO

Big deal!  My sales team travels 80% of the year to make a couple hundred grand.  I'm talking fly out on monday, come home on thursday night every week....  With the stress of having to make quotas or get fired.  

I feel no pity for the professional golfer that travels half the year, playing golf, and make equal or many times more money than the average joe.

If your sales team was better than 99% of the people at their job then they wouldn't be traveling 80% of the year for a couple of hundred grand.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:14 PM

View Postnochct1, on 12 March 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

View Postbogeypro, on 12 March 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

View PostAaronwilson_95, on 11 March 2018 - 12:18 AM, said:

You don't travel 30 weeks a year when you could be retired and only travel from home to home to home if you aren't truly trying to win . IMO

Big deal!  My sales team travels 80% of the year to make a couple hundred grand.  I'm talking fly out on monday, come home on thursday night every week....  With the stress of having to make quotas or get fired.  

I feel no pity for the professional golfer that travels half the year, playing golf, and make equal or many times more money than the average joe.

If your sales team was better than 99% of the people at their job then they wouldn't be traveling 80% of the year for a couple of hundred grand.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 07:16 PM

View Postrope47, on 12 March 2018 - 06:46 PM, said:

I read earlier today that Scott Verplank has made over $27,000,000 in his career.  Five wins, no majors and just about $850,000 a year as little more than a journeyman pro.  I can definitely see where the drive to win majors and be the best of the best could suffer making that kind of money.

5 wins passes journeyman imo but that is certainly a shetload of money.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:28 PM

View Postnochct1, on 12 March 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

View Postbogeypro, on 12 March 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

View PostAaronwilson_95, on 11 March 2018 - 12:18 AM, said:

You don't travel 30 weeks a year when you could be retired and only travel from home to home to home if you aren't truly trying to win . IMO

Big deal!  My sales team travels 80% of the year to make a couple hundred grand.  I'm talking fly out on monday, come home on thursday night every week....  With the stress of having to make quotas or get fired.  

I feel no pity for the professional golfer that travels half the year, playing golf, and make equal or many times more money than the average joe.

If your sales team was better than 99% of the people at their job then they wouldn't be traveling 80% of the year for a couple of hundred grand.

There probably IS one guy on his sales team that is better than 99% of salespeople. And that person will become a VP/EVP of sales one day either at Bogey's company or another one. And then when he gets to THAT level, he will either still be hungry, or he'll say "i'ma do this for 5 more years and retire". Maybe at that point he will get complacent because he's done enough in his mind.....or maybe not

And there are probably many people on Bogey's current sales team for whom 200K a year is plenty, and they aren't looking for more

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:06 AM

Some of them are open and frank about it.  Boo Weekley for example, states he'd rather
be hunting or fishing.  That's fine, maybe it's more healthy mindset.

Few can maintain the intensity that they start with in their 20s into their post-marriage/family
years, when it becomes clearly evident to most people that there are more important things
in life than winning golf tournaments or even going down in history for your accomplishments.
Folks like Jack are a rare breed.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:25 AM

View Postrope47, on 12 March 2018 - 06:46 PM, said:

I read earlier today that Scott Verplank has made over $27,000,000 in his career.  Five wins, no majors and just about $850,000 a year as little more than a journeyman pro.  I can definitely see where the drive to win majors and be the best of the best could suffer making that kind of money.

It's pretty crazy to look at the all-time money leaders on the PGA Tour and how the huge purses of the modern game have skewed things so much. Some notable ones:

-  Kevin Na, 42nd all time = 1 win

- Jordan Spieth, 19th all time = Plenty of success but only 5 full years on Tour

- Charles Howell III, 21st all-time = 2 wins in over 500 starts

- Rickie Fowler, 26th all-time = 4 wins, often criticized for being over-rated

- Rory Sabbatini, 28th all-time = Rory Freakin' Sabbatini

- Jack Nicklaus, 270th all-time = Jack Freakin' Nicklaus

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:35 AM

View PostMarkFromTheUK, on 12 March 2018 - 12:09 PM, said:

Tour players are still motivated to win. Unless their name is Rory, and represent Northern Ireland.

I don't know, I think Rory is plenty competitive still.  His putting has gone away from him, and that is the difference out there.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:40 AM

View Post3jacker, on 14 March 2018 - 09:06 AM, said:

Some of them are open and frank about it.  Boo Weekley for example, states he'd rather
be hunting or fishing.  That's fine, maybe it's more healthy mindset.

Few can maintain the intensity that they start with in their 20s into their post-marriage/family
years, when it becomes clearly evident to most people that there are more important things
in life than winning golf tournaments or even going down in history for your accomplishments.
Folks like Jack are a rare breed.

Iíve determined that Boo is full of sheet. 45 years old, made $15 million, still chasing it every week. He said more than a few times that heís a simple guy and would retire when he can buy property with a lake and a bass boat. He could have done that in 2006 but here is anyway.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:38 PM

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:38 PM

Using Scott Verplank as an example is unfair.  He is a Type 1 diabetic, wears an insulin pump, and friends of mine who are diabetic tell me it's a very tricky disease to manage.  To topic, these guys want to win, but for the most part, they are just not quite good enough.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:07 PM

It's not like becoming a top tier player is simply a matter of how hard someone is willing to work. Some of these journeyman players could dedicate their entire life to golf (and I'm sure some do), but still not get there. Hard work is important in getting to the top, but generally the ones at the top are simply more talented.

If a guy is not working hard to "be the best", then he likely won't last long on tour. There are so many good players these days, that if you take you're eye off the ball, you're going to be passed. Web.com Tour guys are winning as soon as they reach the TOUR, college players are placing in majors. The difference between the average TOUR player and those chomping at the bit to take their spot is not that great.

The guys who are the best are the best because they're just better than the other guys. Are there a few uber-talented guys who under-achieve due to lack of work ethic, but still get rich playing golf? Sure, but it's most likely a small number. Most of them are working their arses off just to keep their card.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:13 PM

That's so true.  Sometimes you see a player who was always great, without a lot of effort.
Boo didn't put much effort in. I used to beat him (occasionally) in high school.  Bubba was winning
local tournaments since he first teed it up.  They are simply incredibly gifted.

Work + talent = greatness.  You can get really good with work alone, but it takes something special
to be a Tiger/Jack/DJ or Len Mattiace.
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 09:39 AM

If you don't care, there are hundreds of people waiting to take your place. You can't coast through and be a journeyman. You have to grind and work your a** off if you want to be in the top 125 every year on the pga tour, no matter who you are.

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 10:00 AM

I think it's "need" vs "want".  In a lot of these guys cases, their careers have been funded by others, family, friends, banks so when they make it onto a professional tour they are hungry to prove to whoever believed in them that they were right in doing so.  Once they get a few top finishes or even wins the pressure to prove themselves and make money is lowered.

Some are self driven and money is secondary but for the vast majority once the financial pressure is removed they can focus on other important things in life, house, marriage and kids.  The size of the purses just reduces the time required to achieve financial freedom but guys like Tiger and Phil aren't just playing for the money so the size of the purse doesn't matter to those who strive to be the best.
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