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Tiger with the fastest club head speed on tour thus far this year.


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:29 PM

How long do you think that spinal disk just above the fusion will hold up when the bottom vertebrae is immobilized and the one above is twisting and tilting against it?  Spinal surgeons will tell you the disks above a fusion will deteriorate quicker than ones where no fusion exists.  

As Tiger continues to swing so hard with the driver and other clubs, it would seem that he will damage that disk much more quickly swinging like he is.  But itís obvious he is enjoying feeling pain free at the moment.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:31 PM

View PostAmazinBlue, on 10 March 2018 - 11:29 PM, said:

How long do you think that spinal disk just above the fusion will hold up when the bottom vertebrae is immobilized and the one above is twisting and tilting against it?  Spinal surgeons will tell you the disks above a fusion will deteriorate quicker than ones where no fusion exists.  

As Tiger continues to swing so hard with the driver and other clubs, it would seem that he will damage that disk much more quickly swinging like he is.  But it's obvious he is enjoying feeling pain free at the moment.
there is always danger for even those who don't have issues. Guess he can have that fused also and wait for the next one to give lol. then again till he gets to 50 and quits
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:35 PM

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View Postmosesgolf, on 10 March 2018 - 10:46 PM, said:

Astounding.  It seems like the only guys longer than Tiger in his prime were John Daly and Hank Kuehne.  That's some great company right there.

It would appear Tiger can hang with just about anyone on Tour right now and with what he has put his body through that is unreal.

Rethink this, you're missing plenty of names.Hes long yes but lets not revise history

He said in Tiger's prime and his statement is accurate. He was extremely long when he first came on the Tour. If you gave him and 90's Daly the technology of today's players, it would be absurd how far those two guys would hit it. Tiger only played half the year in 1996 but averaged almost 303 yards. Daly averaged 302 in 1997. Tiger used a steel shaft driver and wound ball to average 323 at Augusta in 1997. The course was running fast that week, but it benefited everyone and the next closest guy was 25 yards shorter.

In his late prime, his ball speed was very similar to JB Holmes and Bubba Watson. That is despite what you describe as Tiger's reluctance to fully embrace the technology that many others have embraced over the last 15 years.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:37 PM

View PostGolfnutgalen, on 10 March 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

Tiger has been consistently in the 180-184 ball speed range this year which is a more reliable datapoint. That is crazy fast when you consider his average in 2013 (the last year he won) was 175.

Yeah that short Foley backswing + playing a big cut off of just about every tee was not a recipe for great ball speed. That supposed 129mph swing was the shot he started going back to in 2015, the closed stance lower intentional pull. I think that is what he considers his control shot and its almost like a turbo charged version of the iron stinger. Not the most ideal launch conditions but he is clearly fast enough to make up for that.
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:52 PM

View PostFrankensteins Monster, on 10 March 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

129.2

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Watch out I posted a similar thread after the Honda when he had a 127 and a 128 and the clubhead speed “truthers” came after me.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 12:06 AM

View PostEKELLY, on 10 March 2018 - 10:09 PM, said:

That left knee isn't going to hold! I was right behind him today, he was swinging all out......It WON'T make it through the season! Remember, I said it here!.....

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 12:08 AM

Does "truther" mean someone who knows what he's talking about explaining how the ball speed measurement is pretty accurate while CHS is not, which leads to reported smash factors ranging from lower than a PGA tour pro is going to get up to higher than the COR limit?

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 12:11 AM

I had the distinct pleasure of watching him play in the PAC 10 championship in 1995 at Big Canyon  Country Club in Newport Beach.

It is a tight, difficult, and long (for the 90ís) course I had played a number of times myself as a guest assistant pro.

I became an avid life long fan that day as I watched him do things with a golf ball on that course that I could only dream of....and I was a +2 at the time.

He was consistently 30-50 yards longer than his playing companions.  300-320 all day long with a steel shafted small headed 43 1/2 inch driver and a spiny wound balata ball.   It was actually almost comical because He was SO much longer and SO much better than those other college kids that he was paired with.

I can tell you first hand. If Tiger had todayís equipment and ball back then he would have been 330-350 off the tee.  He absolutely killed it.

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 12:20 AM

View Postcardoza, on 10 March 2018 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm a Tiger fan, but I find it hard to believe they aren't juicing those numbers a little bit.

How many surgeries on his knee and back?  4-5 on each.  Including a fusion.  42 years old.  Ya, there's some juice involved.

Whatever...incredible to watch, and I'm pulling for him.

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 12:24 AM

View PostGolfTurkey, on 11 March 2018 - 12:08 AM, said:

Does "truther" mean someone who knows what he's talking about explaining how the ball speed measurement is pretty accurate while CHS is not, which leads to reported smash factors ranging from lower than a PGA tour pro is going to get up to higher than the COR limit?

No ďtrutherĒ is someone speaking matter of factly about things they donít know for sure.  I canít say for sure the numbers are accurate no more than you can say for sure theyíre inaccurate, simply by looking at a couple of points of data.  We donít know what monitor the Pga uses or how they set it up.  What we do know is that he was the fastest 3/4 days at Honda with a 127 and a 128 and fastest today 2 weeks later at a completely different tournament.  It doesnít make sense that heís the only one finding the sweet spot on the tee to get the fastest speed all these times.  DJ plays a TM driver and so does Rory and they havenít recorder a 128 or 129 this year, and Rory played at Honda and this week on the same tee and monitor that clocked Tiger, he normally swings 120-122 but didnít get a magic bump to the high 120s.  Iím willing to accept the numbers are incorrect but why are they consistently coming up incorrect for one guy in one direction?  This isnít just one swing.  As far as smash factor, Sam Ryder and Pat Perez are a couple of the best ballstrikers on tour, theyíre currently top 10 in GIR, they know how to hit the center of the club face, yet theyíre at the bottom of smash factor numbers for the tour this year and thatís with 30 swings of data. Sam Ryder is averaging 1.43 and Pat Perez is averaging 1.44 and Sam Ryder has a 1.39 in there.  Explain all of that to me.
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Posted 11 March 2018 - 12:26 AM

View PostEKELLY, on 10 March 2018 - 10:09 PM, said:

That left knee isn't going to hold! I was right behind him today, he was swinging all out......It WON'T make it through the season! Remember, I said it here!.....
Hmmm his hips are not turning as fast as before when he was knee kicking before impact, i think hes gonna be ok. Compare 1997 swing to today, speed comes more from upper body now



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Posted 11 March 2018 - 12:29 AM

View Postredfirebird08, on 10 March 2018 - 10:40 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 10 March 2018 - 10:36 PM, said:

View Postlowheel, on 10 March 2018 - 10:32 PM, said:

View PostGolfnutgalen, on 10 March 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

Tiger has been consistently in the 180-184 ball speed range this year which is a more reliable datapoint. That is crazy fast when you consider his average in 2013 (the last year he won) was 175.

He finally gave into tech. thats where the speed is coming from. even in 2013 he wasnt using the best tools that were available to him. Deschambeau has 182 ball speed at this point as well.Very common to be above 180 the last 2 seasons. phil at 47 had 181 just a few weeks back...

I agree. Club head speed is a nice thing to have, don't get me wrong, but scoring wins golf tournaments, not club head speed. I was more impressed with Tiger's short game than how far he hit the ball...especially that shot he hit to get up and down out of some seriously gnarly rough with no green to work with.

The turnaround with his short game has been incredible. He had legitimate chip yips at one point.
Told you it was technique related :p

But probably pain too ahah

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 12:33 AM

Theres approx 10% more stress on the next disc, in  his case l4 l5

Depends on the current state of the disc, but if the disc is ok it can be long to degenerate or herniate, like 10+ years

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 12:36 AM

View PostAmazinBlue, on 10 March 2018 - 11:29 PM, said:

How long do you think that spinal disk just above the fusion will hold up when the bottom vertebrae is immobilized and the one above is twisting and tilting against it?  Spinal surgeons will tell you the disks above a fusion will deteriorate quicker than ones where no fusion exists.  

As Tiger continues to swing so hard with the driver and other clubs, it would seem that he will damage that disk much more quickly swinging like he is.  But it’s obvious he is enjoying feeling pain free at the moment.
Also, he should do PRP and stem cell treatments to the other discs, will help avoid any issues

Personally i think he will be ok for a couple years at least

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 01:26 AM

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View Post27x10.5, on 10 March 2018 - 09:47 PM, said:

You don't redline a Ferrari just driving around town...wish he'd save some for the rest of the year

You do if you’re trying to show off to Bill Hass.....

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:17 AM

View Postjus711, on 11 March 2018 - 12:24 AM, said:

View PostGolfTurkey, on 11 March 2018 - 12:08 AM, said:

Does "truther" mean someone who knows what he's talking about explaining how the ball speed measurement is pretty accurate while CHS is not, which leads to reported smash factors ranging from lower than a PGA tour pro is going to get up to higher than the COR limit?

No ďtrutherĒ is someone speaking matter of factly about things they donít know for sure.  I canít say for sure the numbers are accurate no more than you can say for sure theyíre inaccurate, simply by looking at a couple of points of data.  We donít know what monitor the Pga uses or how they set it up.  What we do know is that he was the fastest 3/4 days at Honda with a 127 and a 128 and fastest today 2 weeks later at a completely different tournament.  It doesnít make sense that heís the only one finding the sweet spot on the tee to get the fastest speed all these times.  DJ plays a TM driver and so does Rory and they havenít recorder a 128 or 129 this year, and Rory played at Honda and this week on the same tee and monitor that clocked Tiger, he normally swings 120-122 but didnít get a magic bump to the high 120s.  Iím willing to accept the numbers are incorrect but why are they consistently coming up incorrect for one guy in one direction?  This isnít just one swing.  As far as smash factor, Sam Ryder and Pat Perez are a couple of the best ballstrikers on tour, theyíre currently top 10 in GIR, they know how to hit the center of the club face, yet theyíre at the bottom of smash factor numbers for the tour this year and thatís with 30 swings of data. Sam Ryder is averaging 1.43 and Pat Perez is averaging 1.44 and Sam Ryder has a 1.39 in there.  Explain all of that to me.
https://www.pgatour....stat.02403.html

The launch monitor brand is known, it is Trackman.

https://blog.trackma...e-relationship/

"Denmark, February 2016 Ė The PGA TOUR and TrackMan have signed their third consecutive 5-year agreement. This (re)signing is a manifestation of a mutually beneficial relationship founded more than a decade ago."

Now let's look at where you need to position the Trackman 4 unit for accurate readings. It's 9 to 10 feet back of the ball and within the width of the unit from left to right, see:

https://blog.trackma...t-hit-location/

A Trackman unit is 12 inches wide, so players have a one foot window to tee their ball up to get accurate readings. And that's if it isn't angled crazily so that it can cover the whole tee box (as iteachgolf explained to you in the other thread).

The readings of smash factors above 1.5 are obviously wrong, that's above the maximum. Of course Perez having a smash factor of a weekend hacker is also wrong, more evidence that Tiger's CHS is overstated.

You do realise that smash factor is reported too low when CHS is overstated, so Perez having a too low smash is in the same direction as Tiger having a too high CHS? Tiger should have had a ball speed north of 190 by now witb that CHS. 129.2 with 1.5 smash is a 193.8 BS. What is his top BS to date this season, well under 190 AFAIK.

Now just speculating, but guys who often use the edges of tee boxes will probably have more funny readings because they will be further from the optimum position. Tiger shapes it as much as just about anyone and moves around the tee box, and Perez hits a ton of drivers from the left edge of the box like this:

https://www.instagra.../p/BeTi5JTAJHe/


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:40 AM

View PostAmazinBlue, on 10 March 2018 - 11:29 PM, said:

How long do you think that spinal disk just above the fusion will hold up when the bottom vertebrae is immobilized and the one above is twisting and tilting against it?  Spinal surgeons will tell you the disks above a fusion will deteriorate quicker than ones where no fusion exists.  

As Tiger continues to swing so hard with the driver and other clubs, it would seem that he will damage that disk much more quickly swinging like he is.  But it's obvious he is enjoying feeling pain free at the moment.

Be ok to see him in a wheelchair as he gets older.
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Posted 11 March 2018 - 05:04 AM

View PostksuWildcat, on 11 March 2018 - 12:20 AM, said:

View Postcardoza, on 10 March 2018 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm a Tiger fan, but I find it hard to believe they aren't juicing those numbers a little bit.

How many surgeries on his knee and back?  4-5 on each.  Including a fusion.  42 years old.  Ya, there's some juice involved.

Whatever...incredible to watch, and I'm pulling for him.

I'm a guy who personally believes he and others did juice a few years ago, potentially was caught, and covered up.  However... Now I think this is more likely stem cell therapy.  site injections for back and knees, as well as IV infusions.  Mesenchymal stem cells from a 20 year old stud... More effective for recovery and energy than any steroid or GH we have now.  And it's not banned by the testing bodies.....  Same thing with Phil... Psoriatic Arthritis can be crushingly debilitating.  IV Stem cell therapy has been known to pretty much cure all of the symptoms and has a strong history of positive treatment with other auto-immune diseases.

IV stem cells = The new juice.  And, is most probably the future of medicine.
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Posted 11 March 2018 - 05:15 AM

maybe some truth to the rumours of the pros using non conforming drivers, that could explain the 1.5+ smash factors

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 05:25 AM

He has probably picked up 1-2 mph from moving from an 85/95g shaft in driver to 65g. Not sure it's accurate but saw it reported somewhere that he may have gone from playing length of 44" to 44.5" recently as well? While COR may have been maxed out a while ago, the forgiveness gains in the new equipment is clearly allowing guys to tune their setups more for speed without having to worry so much about unplayable mishits.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 06:05 AM

God I wish they had trackman for tiger in 1996/1997.

I can't help but wonder how smart this is for a guy whose two main questions are health and driving accuracy to go that hard at the ball.

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 06:49 AM

View PostHubijerk, on 11 March 2018 - 05:04 AM, said:

View PostksuWildcat, on 11 March 2018 - 12:20 AM, said:

View Postcardoza, on 10 March 2018 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm a Tiger fan, but I find it hard to believe they aren't juicing those numbers a little bit.

How many surgeries on his knee and back?  4-5 on each.  Including a fusion.  42 years old.  Ya, there's some juice involved.

Whatever...incredible to watch, and I'm pulling for him.

I'm a guy who personally believes he and others did juice a few years ago, potentially was caught, and covered up.  However... Now I think this is more likely stem cell therapy.  site injections for back and knees, as well as IV infusions.  Mesenchymal stem cells from a 20 year old stud... More effective for recovery and energy than any steroid or GH we have now.  And it's not banned by the testing bodies.....  Same thing with Phil... Psoriatic Arthritis can be crushingly debilitating.  IV Stem cell therapy has been known to pretty much cure all of the symptoms and has a strong history of positive treatment with other auto-immune diseases.

IV stem cells = The new juice.  And, is most probably the future of medicine.
This is an interesting take. Where do they get the stem cells from? I imagine it's exceedingly expensive which makes it a perfect opportunity for the elite golfer with more money than they knew what to do with.

Edit - serious question - is there a black market for this stuff, with poor people donating cells from their body for medical "research"?

Edited by slimeone, 11 March 2018 - 06:54 AM.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 06:49 AM

I think for tiger to get back his mojo and dominance again the key has always been the driver. He loves to send it out there. I think what is his way of showing off. Once his drive is consistent long. No one, I mean no one is going to beat him because his shirt game would be even better due to confidence of his driving . Just like yesterday he will be chipping them in from everywhere and the putter will be $

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 07:36 AM

View Postslimeone, on 11 March 2018 - 06:49 AM, said:

View PostHubijerk, on 11 March 2018 - 05:04 AM, said:

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View Postcardoza, on 10 March 2018 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm a Tiger fan, but I find it hard to believe they aren't juicing those numbers a little bit.

How many surgeries on his knee and back?  4-5 on each.  Including a fusion.  42 years old.  Ya, there's some juice involved.

Whatever...incredible to watch, and I'm pulling for him.

I'm a guy who personally believes he and others did juice a few years ago, potentially was caught, and covered up.  However... Now I think this is more likely stem cell therapy.  site injections for back and knees, as well as IV infusions.  Mesenchymal stem cells from a 20 year old stud... More effective for recovery and energy than any steroid or GH we have now.  And it's not banned by the testing bodies.....  Same thing with Phil... Psoriatic Arthritis can be crushingly debilitating.  IV Stem cell therapy has been known to pretty much cure all of the symptoms and has a strong history of positive treatment with other auto-immune diseases.

IV stem cells = The new juice.  And, is most probably the future of medicine.
This is an interesting take. Where do they get the stem cells from? I imagine it's exceedingly expensive which makes it a perfect opportunity for the elite golfer with more money than they knew what to do with.

Edit - serious question - is there a black market for this stuff, with poor people donating cells from their body for medical "research"?

Not a black market at all.  Not unlike women donating eggs, Young men and women are donating stem cells from marrow etc. and then the best cells are isolated and grown/replicated. One of the best labs in the world is in Panama.  There are docs that have practices in the US, then fly to their other offices, labs and do treatments that are not yet approved in the US.  In fact stem cell therapy has gotten less effective and limited in the states because of increasing regulations from the FDA.  Joe Rogan had a podcast recently with Mel Gibson and Neil Riordan talking about it.  Because of the restrictions and limitations yeah, pretty much just the rich can afford this.  There are ortho docs in the states that do injections but they are still very expensive, not covered by insurance, and much less effective than what you can get in other countries.  There are lots of guys in combat sports, and other professional athletes doing this.  You're probably looking at 30-50k per treatment injections + IV, then travel etc. but it's probably well worth it.  Depending on ailment or injury I would certainly pursue this avenue and take out a loan 1st before using insurance for traditional accepted methods we use... And I do this (traditional medicine/medical) for a living.  I'm strongly considering pursuing another degree in stem cell science, USC is the closest University to me that has a program but there are a few other schools.
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Posted 11 March 2018 - 08:00 AM

They get the best results from umbilical cords and it's not allowed in the US because it would make too many drugs irrelevant


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 08:02 AM

View PostAmazinBlue, on 10 March 2018 - 11:29 PM, said:

How long do you think that spinal disk just above the fusion will hold up when the bottom vertebrae is immobilized and the one above is twisting and tilting against it?  Spinal surgeons will tell you the disks above a fusion will deteriorate quicker than ones where no fusion exists.  

As Tiger continues to swing so hard with the driver and other clubs, it would seem that he will damage that disk much more quickly swinging like he is.  But it's obvious he is enjoying feeling pain free at the moment.

I bet you hang out with spinal surgeons all the time.

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 08:23 AM

I hate when I'm in line at the supermarket and these spinal surgeons constantly hold up the line giving unsolicited advice...I'm just trying to get out of there

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 08:25 AM

View Poststu_man, on 11 March 2018 - 08:02 AM, said:

View PostAmazinBlue, on 10 March 2018 - 11:29 PM, said:

How long do you think that spinal disk just above the fusion will hold up when the bottom vertebrae is immobilized and the one above is twisting and tilting against it?  Spinal surgeons will tell you the disks above a fusion will deteriorate quicker than ones where no fusion exists.  

As Tiger continues to swing so hard with the driver and other clubs, it would seem that he will damage that disk much more quickly swinging like he is.  But it's obvious he is enjoying feeling pain free at the moment.
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I bet you hang out with spinal surgeons all the time.

Exactly.  So many Google info experts on this board and negative Nancy's.   A word to the wise that if you sit at business meetings and all you ever do is point out the negatives time in and time out see what happens to your career long term.  

It's good to see Tiger's speed back.  He dominated on par 5's like no other before him.  And with his speed he doesn't always have to hit driver.   It's great to see him back.   Tiger has all the tools to dominate again.  Now it's just a matter of time.  :D
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Posted 11 March 2018 - 08:25 AM

View PostHubijerk, on 11 March 2018 - 07:36 AM, said:

View Postslimeone, on 11 March 2018 - 06:49 AM, said:

View PostHubijerk, on 11 March 2018 - 05:04 AM, said:

View PostksuWildcat, on 11 March 2018 - 12:20 AM, said:

View Postcardoza, on 10 March 2018 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm a Tiger fan, but I find it hard to believe they aren't juicing those numbers a little bit.

How many surgeries on his knee and back?  4-5 on each.  Including a fusion.  42 years old.  Ya, there's some juice involved.

Whatever...incredible to watch, and I'm pulling for him.

I'm a guy who personally believes he and others did juice a few years ago, potentially was caught, and covered up.  However... Now I think this is more likely stem cell therapy.  site injections for back and knees, as well as IV infusions.  Mesenchymal stem cells from a 20 year old stud... More effective for recovery and energy than any steroid or GH we have now.  And it's not banned by the testing bodies.....  Same thing with Phil... Psoriatic Arthritis can be crushingly debilitating.  IV Stem cell therapy has been known to pretty much cure all of the symptoms and has a strong history of positive treatment with other auto-immune diseases.

IV stem cells = The new juice.  And, is most probably the future of medicine.
This is an interesting take. Where do they get the stem cells from? I imagine it's exceedingly expensive which makes it a perfect opportunity for the elite golfer with more money than they knew what to do with.

Edit - serious question - is there a black market for this stuff, with poor people donating cells from their body for medical "research"?

Not a black market at all.  Not unlike women donating eggs, Young men and women are donating stem cells from marrow etc. and then the best cells are isolated and grown/replicated. One of the best labs in the world is in Panama.  There are docs that have practices in the US, then fly to their other offices, labs and do treatments that are not yet approved in the US.  In fact stem cell therapy has gotten less effective and limited in the states because of increasing regulations from the FDA.  Joe Rogan had a podcast recently with Mel Gibson and Neil Riordan talking about it.  Because of the restrictions and limitations yeah, pretty much just the rich can afford this.  There are ortho docs in the states that do injections but they are still very expensive, not covered by insurance, and much less effective than what you can get in other countries.  There are lots of guys in combat sports, and other professional athletes doing this.  You're probably looking at 30-50k per treatment injections + IV, then travel etc. but it's probably well worth it.  Depending on ailment or injury I would certainly pursue this avenue and take out a loan 1st before using insurance for traditional accepted methods we use... And I do this (traditional medicine/medical) for a living.  I'm strongly considering pursuing another degree in stem cell science, USC is the closest University to me that has a program but there are a few other schools.
Thanks for all the info, it's fascinating, especially that they can be reproduced. If that's the case couldn't they just mass clone them from the original sample? Curious about Mel Gibson's interest in stem cells though, that's not the guy you want as a public spokesperson.

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 08:29 AM

View PostGMR, on 11 March 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

He has probably picked up 1-2 mph from moving from an 85/95g shaft in driver to 65g. Not sure it's accurate but saw it reported somewhere that he may have gone from playing length of 44" to 44.5" recently as well? .

He went to a 65g shaft this week and increased to a 44.75 length.


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