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Tiger with the fastest club head speed on tour thus far this year.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:00 AM

Just saw Brady on Colbert.  He said "I'm not a great athlete."  He has a great mind, and enough body to do what he does.  Earl was the guy who said Tiger is a great athlete.  He is a great golfer in good shape with a body full of fast twitch muscles and fantastic hand-eye coordination.  He has done nothing in his life but play golf.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 06:21 AM

View Postredfirebird08, on 12 March 2018 - 09:32 AM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 12 March 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

You see they didn't advertise balls speed or distance.  Clubhead speed is great, but doesn't mean jack if the ball speed doesn't correspond with a good ball strike.

He is averaging slightly more ball speed than Rory McIlroy and Gary Woodland this year. That's more than enough power to compete with anyone in golf.

https://www.pgatour....stat.02402.html

Speaking of distance and so forth, I looked at the Web.com rankings. There is a guy on that tour who has led the driving distance stats for a few years and still hasn't made it to the PGA Tour. Scoring average seems pretty weak. He must not be that good with the other parts of the game, but he crushes the ball. Averaging 320+ over the last few years.

That is so impressive to be ahead of Rory, Woodland, JB Holmes, Rahm, Thomas after what he has been through.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 06:42 AM

Maybe this has been brought up but yesterday they were talking on Sirius that something is goofy about Tigers numbers they recorded. On 4 of his drives the ball speed was the same but his swing speed was 7 mph faster on one of the drives. That doesn't make sense.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 06:48 AM

All great athletes have great minds.

Don’t confuse a great athlete with someone who has great athletic ability.

Jamarcus Russell had ability. Brady is a great athlete.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 06:53 AM

View Posttiderider, on 11 March 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

View Postpmo09, on 11 March 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 11 March 2018 - 12:17 PM, said:

View Posttw_focus, on 11 March 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

That's amazing that TW, at his age, is still the fastest swinger on tour. Two reasons:

1) TW is an athlete who plays golf, most golfers on tour are golfers first, athletes second.
2) TW puts in more time, focus, dedication than the next 5 tour golfers combined.

Today is TW's masterpiece, just sit back and enjoy.

From everything I've heard and read over the years, he's actually not an good athlete.  He's a golfer, an unbelievable one, who is also a fitness and workout junkie.  But far from being the best athlete out there.  Whether that is actually true or not I don't know, but it's been out there for a long time.

What have you read that says he's "not a good athlete"??

lol ... tiger woods is not some world class athlete playing golf ... he's in shape and has done a lot of cardio in the past, but that does not a world class athlete make ... people say that because he's black ...

He does/ has done far more than cardio.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:26 AM

View Postredfirebird08, on 12 March 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 12 March 2018 - 03:48 PM, said:

All Tom Brady does is sling a football around a field and has a great mind.  He isn't stronger or faster than anyone, yet, I think most people would agree that Brady is an athlete.

You're tempting me to post Brady's Combine video, lol.

I have seen it.  He is still trying to finish the 40 yard dash.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:53 AM

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View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 11 March 2018 - 12:17 PM, said:

View Posttw_focus, on 11 March 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

That's amazing that TW, at his age, is still the fastest swinger on tour. Two reasons:

1) TW is an athlete who plays golf, most golfers on tour are golfers first, athletes second.
2) TW puts in more time, focus, dedication than the next 5 tour golfers combined.

Today is TW's masterpiece, just sit back and enjoy.

From everything I've heard and read over the years, he's actually not an good athlete.  He's a golfer, an unbelievable one, who is also a fitness and workout junkie.  But far from being the best athlete out there.  Whether that is actually true or not I don't know, but it's been out there for a long time.

What have you read that says he's "not a good athlete"??

lol ... tiger woods is not some world class athlete playing golf ... he's in shape and has done a lot of cardio in the past, but that does not a world class athlete make ... people say that because he's black ...

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:59 AM

View Postlawsonman, on 13 March 2018 - 06:42 AM, said:

Maybe this has been brought up but yesterday they were talking on Sirius that something is goofy about Tigers numbers they recorded. On 4 of his drives the ball speed was the same but his swing speed was 7 mph faster on one of the drives. That doesn't make sense.
Yeah, lets use 184 ball speed as an example (which is the highest Tiger has produced in competition lately afaik). 122 mph clubhead speed producing 184 ball speed is a 1.51 smash factor, and basically requires perfect contact and a driver face right at the legal limit. 124 clubhead speed would be a 1.48 smash factor and is what you'd expect to see from a pro on a typical good drive. 129 clubhead speed is a 1.43 smash factor and would be poor contact for a pro. Even when you consider his less-than-optimal AoA on that swing, he did not mishit the ball badly enough to have a 1.43 smash factor. The numbers shown on TV are using a single Trackman unit that is typically not placed in the correct position to measure swing speed accurately.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:25 AM

Commentators and media have pushed the headline that he recorded the fastest swing on tour this year. Certainly doesnít mean itís true or that he actually recorded that number. Or if he did it wasnít accurate.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:28 AM

According to guys very familiar with Trackman they'll tell you that CHS errors are not uncommon.  Ball speed numbers are way more reliable.

Edited by dpb5031, 13 March 2018 - 10:28 AM.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:04 PM

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That's amazing that TW, at his age, is still the fastest swinger on tour. Two reasons:

1) TW is an athlete who plays golf, most golfers on tour are golfers first, athletes second.
2) TW puts in more time, focus, dedication than the next 5 tour golfers combined.

Today is TW's masterpiece, just sit back and enjoy.

From everything I've heard and read over the years, he's actually not an good athlete.  He's a golfer, an unbelievable one, who is also a fitness and workout junkie.  But far from being the best athlete out there.  Whether that is actually true or not I don't know, but it's been out there for a long time.

What have you read that says he's "not a good athlete"??

Tiger is a great athlete.  You have to be to do what he does.  Just because he's not good at hoops doesn't mean he is "not a good athlete."  :D
There was an article somewhere that said while Tiger was at Stanford he was the strongest pound for pound athlete on campus.

I realize the definition of athlete plays a big role in these discussions. To me, athletic ability is kind of a two part deal.  The first being able to be somewhat proficient at most athletic endeavors fairly easily. Hand eye coordination is a big part of this type of athleticism. Hitting a ball, catching a ball, etc. The other part is the sheer physical ability to perform activities like running and jumping.

That's just my opinion of what constitutes being an athlete. From the things I've read in the past (and I'm sorry, I'm not going looking for articles to cite, if it's that important to prove me wrong, go find something that says otherwise). You absolutely do not have to a great athlete to do what Tiger does. You have to be extremely proficient at one set of skills. The fact that he has elevated that skill set to heretofore unprecedented levels doesn't mean he's a great athlete.

And being strong has zero to do with being an athlete. Go to any true muscle head gym, you'll find strong guys (pound for pound, like that matters) who can barely walk and chew gum at the same time.

You can't just make a claim that arguably the greatest sportsman of the past 20 years is not a good athlete, and then refuse to back it up with any evidence because it's inconvenient for you to do so. Essentially what you are saying is that you personally believe he isn't a good athlete, but that you have no facts to back it up (which makes it a belief, not a truth).

What is obvious to me (and is readily available from nearly every major sports source) is that he is very strong, incredibly flexible, has some of the strongest mental discipline in sports history, and has dedicated his life to maintain and develop his skills. His work ethic is legendary not only among golfers, but among all athletes.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:19 PM

I followed Tiger in Atlanta when he first came out back in the 90s. One hole at TPC Sugarloaf is a short par 4, 310 uphill. I was standing right behind Tiger when he crushed a power fade right at the hole.  We get up to the green and the ball mark was right in the middle of the green. I had never seen anything like it.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:20 PM

View Postsuprfli6, on 13 March 2018 - 08:59 AM, said:

View Postlawsonman, on 13 March 2018 - 06:42 AM, said:

Maybe this has been brought up but yesterday they were talking on Sirius that something is goofy about Tigers numbers they recorded. On 4 of his drives the ball speed was the same but his swing speed was 7 mph faster on one of the drives. That doesn't make sense.
Yeah, lets use 184 ball speed as an example (which is the highest Tiger has produced in competition lately afaik). 122 mph clubhead speed producing 184 ball speed is a 1.51 smash factor, and basically requires perfect contact and a driver face right at the legal limit. 124 clubhead speed would be a 1.48 smash factor and is what you'd expect to see from a pro on a typical good drive. 129 clubhead speed is a 1.43 smash factor and would be poor contact for a pro. Even when you consider his less-than-optimal AoA on that swing, he did not mishit the ball badly enough to have a 1.43 smash factor. The numbers shown on TV are using a single Trackman unit that is typically not placed in the correct position to measure swing speed accurately.

I don't remember the shot that they recorded that on, but am I correct that he hit pretty down on the ball, as well as maybe imparting a decent amount of cut or hook spin?  SF can drop quite a bit on shots like that can't it?  I could be way wrong, I always thought that it could drop substantially, especially if you combine that with also hitting slightly off center, heely maybe?
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:27 PM

I'll go back to what I've stated before regarding athleticism and the subjectivity of the definition.  How many of the following attributes does Tiger possess?  How many of these attributes are required to be exceptional in other sports?

Hand-eye coordination, physical dexterity, body awareness, ability to learn & repeat complex movements in the correct sequence, balance, timing, speed, power, flexibility, touch, reaction time, concentration, "clutchness", and the ability to improvise to get it done in the heat of battle.

TW certainly checks off enough boxes for me!

You could also add endurance/physical fitness and strength conditioning but to a lesser degree in my opinion.  One can be in exceptional physical condition but still be horrifically unathletic.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:11 PM

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That's amazing that TW, at his age, is still the fastest swinger on tour. Two reasons:

1) TW is an athlete who plays golf, most golfers on tour are golfers first, athletes second.
2) TW puts in more time, focus, dedication than the next 5 tour golfers combined.

Today is TW's masterpiece, just sit back and enjoy.


From everything I've heard and read over the years, he's actually not an good athlete.  He's a golfer, an unbelievable one, who is also a fitness and workout junkie.  But far from being the best athlete out there.  Whether that is actually true or not I don't know, but it's been out there for a long time.

What have you read that says he's "not a good athlete"??

Tiger is a great athlete.  You have to be to do what he does.  Just because he's not good at hoops doesn't mean he is "not a good athlete."  :D
There was an article somewhere that said while Tiger was at Stanford he was the strongest pound for pound athlete on campus.

I realize the definition of athlete plays a big role in these discussions. To me, athletic ability is kind of a two part deal.  The first being able to be somewhat proficient at most athletic endeavors fairly easily. Hand eye coordination is a big part of this type of athleticism. Hitting a ball, catching a ball, etc. The other part is the sheer physical ability to perform activities like running and jumping.

That's just my opinion of what constitutes being an athlete. From the things I've read in the past (and I'm sorry, I'm not going looking for articles to cite, if it's that important to prove me wrong, go find something that says otherwise). You absolutely do not have to a great athlete to do what Tiger does. You have to be extremely proficient at one set of skills. The fact that he has elevated that skill set to heretofore unprecedented levels doesn't mean he's a great athlete.

And being strong has zero to do with being an athlete. Go to any true muscle head gym, you'll find strong guys (pound for pound, like that matters) who can barely walk and chew gum at the same time.

You can't just make a claim that arguably the greatest sportsman of the past 20 years is not a good athlete, and then refuse to back it up with any evidence because it's inconvenient for you to do so. Essentially what you are saying is that you personally believe he isn't a good athlete, but that you have no facts to back it up (which makes it a belief, not a truth).

What is obvious to me (and is readily available from nearly every major sports source) is that he is very strong, incredibly flexible, has some of the strongest mental discipline in sports history, and has dedicated his life to maintain and develop his skills. His work ethic is legendary not only among golfers, but among all athletes.

I said it comes from what Iíve read in the past. Iím not refusing to back it up because itís not mine to back up. Itís been several years since I read those things and Iím simply going off a sketchy memory. Using that to form MY OPINION.  But itís not that important for me to build up support for that opinion by going out searching for stuff that supports what I think. Like Iíve said, and dpb5031 in a much better way, itís still a subjective subject. How I feel doesnít impact anyone else.

If itís that important for you to prove me wrong, link all your major sport sources, although itís not like theyíre any more credible than anything Iíve read. Because everything written is just someone elseís opinion.

Bottom line, I evaluate athletic ability different than you do.

EDIT: I should apologize. Probably sounded a little more snappish than intended.  I understand where you are coming from. If I could remeber what or where I read that stuff I would link or quote it. But like I said, any of that stuff any of could quote is just someone elseís opinion. If youíll notice, I donít think I ever disparaged Tiger.

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:16 AM

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View Posttw_focus, on 11 March 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

That's amazing that TW, at his age, is still the fastest swinger on tour. Two reasons:

1) TW is an athlete who plays golf, most golfers on tour are golfers first, athletes second.
2) TW puts in more time, focus, dedication than the next 5 tour golfers combined.

Today is TW's masterpiece, just sit back and enjoy.

From everything I've heard and read over the years, he's actually not an good athlete.  He's a golfer, an unbelievable one, who is also a fitness and workout junkie.  But far from being the best athlete out there.  Whether that is actually true or not I don't know, but it's been out there for a long time.

What have you read that says he's "not a good athlete"??

Tiger is a great athlete.  You have to be to do what he does.  Just because he's not good at hoops doesn't mean he is "not a good athlete."  :D
There was an article somewhere that said while Tiger was at Stanford he was the strongest pound for pound athlete on campus.

I realize the definition of athlete plays a big role in these discussions. To me, athletic ability is kind of a two part deal.  The first being able to be somewhat proficient at most athletic endeavors fairly easily. Hand eye coordination is a big part of this type of athleticism. Hitting a ball, catching a ball, etc. The other part is the sheer physical ability to perform activities like running and jumping.

That's just my opinion of what constitutes being an athlete. From the things I've read in the past (and I'm sorry, I'm not going looking for articles to cite, if it's that important to prove me wrong, go find something that says otherwise). You absolutely do not have to a great athlete to do what Tiger does. You have to be extremely proficient at one set of skills. The fact that he has elevated that skill set to heretofore unprecedented levels doesn't mean he's a great athlete.

And being strong has zero to do with being an athlete. Go to any true muscle head gym, you'll find strong guys (pound for pound, like that matters) who can barely walk and chew gum at the same time.


bingo!..... meat heads are rarely athletes....  its all in the eye hand and fast twitch muscles... those you are either born with or not...  cannot juice, lift, or run your way into having those... you can only polish what you have.. Tiger has it in spades.  Pretty Laughable that anyone could watch some of the odd location shots hes hit over the years to pin high levels and say he isnt an athelete...   Bullshat.. some golfers arent athletes sure.. tiger isnt one of those.
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:40 AM

How does one define athletic ability.  
Isn't someone who is strong, fast, and is able dominate in their chosen sport and athlete?  So if you are able to dominate in a sport (GOLF IS A SPORT) because you have strength, ability,  hand/eye coordination etc doesn't that make you athletic?

Why does one have to be proficient at baseball, football, basketball or soccer to be "athletic".
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 12:59 PM

IMO oneís ďathleticismĒ should be measured by how itís able to translate to a broad realm of different sports and activities, not just your give trade or craft.

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 06:57 PM

So, personally, I do not believe golf is a sport.  I believe it is a game.  I also believe Baseball is a game.  There are elements found in sport in these games, but I don't consider them sport.  My personal definition of sport is activities and games useful in training for war/combat.

When I evaluate someone on athletic ability it's usually in context of some type of survival or combat situation.   I consider myself an athlete, but not because I play golf, I have raced bikes, run, rucked, climbed, shot, and jumped out of planes aside from completing triathlons and boxed and trained in jiu jitsu.  Tiger may very well be an athlete, but it's not because he plays golf.  He's a free diver, solid swimmer, we know he has put miles in running and lifting.  He could probably finish a Triathlon if he knows which way to point a bike.  But there's nothing in his golf game that would lead me to call him an athlete.  But I consider him to be one, mostly because of his physical training.  And honestly. anyone undergoing the amount of PT and Rehab he has undoubtedly gone through to get back to a game he has no real need to get back to is an impressive athletic achievement.

You think John Daly is an athlete?  He's played the best golf in the world at times.  What about Lee Trevino?  I say hell yes on Trevino, as as a Marine I guarantee you he can still move if he has to.

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:02 PM

View PostHubijerk, on 15 March 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

So, personally, I do not believe golf is a sport.  I believe it is a game.  I also believe Baseball is a game.  There are elements found in sport in these games, but I don't consider them sport.  My personal definition of sport is activities and games useful in training for war/combat.

When I evaluate someone on athletic ability it's usually in context of some type of survival or combat situation.   I consider myself an athlete, but not because I play golf, I have raced bikes, run, rucked, climbed, shot, and jumped out of planes aside from completing triathlons and boxed and trained in jiu jitsu.  Tiger may very well be an athlete, but it's not because he plays golf.  He's a free diver, solid swimmer, we know he has put miles in running and lifting.  He could probably finish a Triathlon if he knows which way to point a bike.  But there's nothing in his golf game that would lead me to call him an athlete.  But I consider him to be one, mostly because of his physical training.  And honestly. anyone undergoing the amount of PT and Rehab he has undoubtedly gone through to get back to a game he has no real need to get back to is an impressive athletic achievement.

You think John Daly is an athlete?  He's played the best golf in the world at times.  What about Lee Trevino?  I say hell yes on Trevino, as as a Marine I guarantee you he can still move if he has to.
I admire much of this post but jumping from an airplane is athletic but Tiger is not???
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:04 PM

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:41 AM

View PostShilgy, on 15 March 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

View PostHubijerk, on 15 March 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

So, personally, I do not believe golf is a sport.  I believe it is a game.  I also believe Baseball is a game.  There are elements found in sport in these games, but I don't consider them sport.  My personal definition of sport is activities and games useful in training for war/combat.

When I evaluate someone on athletic ability it's usually in context of some type of survival or combat situation.   I consider myself an athlete, but not because I play golf, I have raced bikes, run, rucked, climbed, shot, and jumped out of planes aside from completing triathlons and boxed and trained in jiu jitsu.  Tiger may very well be an athlete, but it's not because he plays golf.  He's a free diver, solid swimmer, we know he has put miles in running and lifting.  He could probably finish a Triathlon if he knows which way to point a bike.  But there's nothing in his golf game that would lead me to call him an athlete.  But I consider him to be one, mostly because of his physical training.  And honestly. anyone undergoing the amount of PT and Rehab he has undoubtedly gone through to get back to a game he has no real need to get back to is an impressive athletic achievement.

You think John Daly is an athlete?  He's played the best golf in the world at times.  What about Lee Trevino?  I say hell yes on Trevino, as as a Marine I guarantee you he can still move if he has to.
I admire much of this post but jumping from an airplane is athletic but Tiger is not???

Jumping, no... landing, yes.
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Posted 16 March 2018 - 02:21 AM

View PostRosco1216, on 13 March 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

Commentators and media have pushed the headline that he recorded the fastest swing on tour this year. Certainly doesn’t mean it’s true or that he actually recorded that number. Or if he did it wasn’t accurate.
Then by the same parameters everyone else's chs recordings are inaccurate ?

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 06:40 AM

View PostHubijerk, on 16 March 2018 - 01:41 AM, said:

View PostShilgy, on 15 March 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

View PostHubijerk, on 15 March 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

So, personally, I do not believe golf is a sport.  I believe it is a game.  I also believe Baseball is a game.  There are elements found in sport in these games, but I don't consider them sport.  My personal definition of sport is activities and games useful in training for war/combat.

When I evaluate someone on athletic ability it's usually in context of some type of survival or combat situation.   I consider myself an athlete, but not because I play golf, I have raced bikes, run, rucked, climbed, shot, and jumped out of planes aside from completing triathlons and boxed and trained in jiu jitsu.  Tiger may very well be an athlete, but it's not because he plays golf.  He's a free diver, solid swimmer, we know he has put miles in running and lifting.  He could probably finish a Triathlon if he knows which way to point a bike.  But there's nothing in his golf game that would lead me to call him an athlete.  But I consider him to be one, mostly because of his physical training.  And honestly. anyone undergoing the amount of PT and Rehab he has undoubtedly gone through to get back to a game he has no real need to get back to is an impressive athletic achievement.

You think John Daly is an athlete?  He's played the best golf in the world at times.  What about Lee Trevino?  I say hell yes on Trevino, as as a Marine I guarantee you he can still move if he has to.
I admire much of this post but jumping from an airplane is athletic but Tiger is not???

Jumping, no... landing, yes.

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 07:09 AM

Any competitive activity that requires the full use of the human body is a sport.

Chess- 100% mental not sport
Video games- 99% wrist not a sport

Another definition I like is using three core skills:

Strength
Speed
Dexterity

If you need any of those to compete, itís a sport.

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 08:29 AM

View Postsevenputts, on 16 March 2018 - 02:21 AM, said:

View PostRosco1216, on 13 March 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

Commentators and media have pushed the headline that he recorded the fastest swing on tour this year. Certainly doesnít mean itís true or that he actually recorded that number. Or if he did it wasnít accurate.
Then by the same parameters everyone else's chs recordings are inaccurate ?
Didnít say that. Itís a media push. One announcer said it measured 129.2 and then everyone else caught wind of it and it went ďviralĒ and everyone started talking about it. Has anyone actually seen this ďproofĒ? Tiger certainly hasnít had the fastest swing on tour this year. Clubhead speed is a combination of calculations with estimates that can change depending on where the ball is teeíd up in relation to the unit, etc.

Ball speed is the best indicator on who is truly swinging the fastest and canít really be ďtrickedĒ as easily and Tiger has registered in the low 180ís. That is swinging it fast but not 129 fast.

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 09:28 AM

View PostRosco1216, on 16 March 2018 - 08:29 AM, said:

View Postsevenputts, on 16 March 2018 - 02:21 AM, said:

View PostRosco1216, on 13 March 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

Commentators and media have pushed the headline that he recorded the fastest swing on tour this year. Certainly doesnít mean itís true or that he actually recorded that number. Or if he did it wasnít accurate.
Then by the same parameters everyone else's chs recordings are inaccurate ?
Didnít say that. Itís a media push. One announcer said it measured 129.2 and then everyone else caught wind of it and it went ďviralĒ and everyone started talking about it. Has anyone actually seen this ďproofĒ? Tiger certainly hasnít had the fastest swing on tour this year. Clubhead speed is a combination of calculations with estimates that can change depending on where the ball is teeíd up in relation to the unit, etc.

Ball speed is the best indicator on who is truly swinging the fastest and canít really be ďtrickedĒ as easily and Tiger has registered in the low 180ís. That is swinging it fast but not 129 fast.
I know you didn't say that. Just a question on my behalf. Ball speed is an accurate indicator of clubhead speed given centered contact is made. Which we're talking about PGA tour pros so yeah, centered contact is pretty much a constant. But what about a cut shot at 182 mph ball speed ? A tiny bit heely ? 1.43 smash ? That would take about 127ish ? All I know is this... I was Riviera this year and saw him hit driver a handful of times and.....MAAN.... he was moving the club...

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 09:37 AM

After 3+ months of not playing, my recent time on trackman showed my worst shot all day with driver had a smash of 1.42 and boy did it feel horrible. 99% sure his worst struck shots are still 1.46 or better. These guys likely find the center of the face more consistently than Trackman reads accurately during tournaments.
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Posted 16 March 2018 - 09:41 AM

I think the only Tour player recently to record >190 ballspeed is Brandon Hagy, which would make him also probably the only dude actually swinging 129.

Edited by suprfli6, 16 March 2018 - 09:42 AM.


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