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Counterfeit 2018 X-Forged irons already out there. Pictures included.


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#1 outgolfing

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:57 AM

I've bought and sold a lot of clubs over the years and I am always careful who I do business with and to inspect what I purchase upon its arrival.  These ones caught my attention right away once they arrived but being as they are so new to the market and the overall feel of them I almost convinced myself they were real until I took a step back.

I bought them from a seller on ebay, good feedback with 400+ positive and no negatives.  They are not an all golf retailer but had some other golf related items.  Ad stated they were, "Mint" and that they were, "Traded in right away for a set with graphite shafts."  Price was low but not ridiculous for the time of year, they were about $100 less than most other sets.  I figured they just wanted to move them.

My observations of them:

* They look very close to authentic x forged.  (I almost believe they are made in the same factory in China and they are possibly factory seconds.)
* The cavity is less refined then authentic clubs, looks like they did not smooth the cavity before plating.
* They are a soft forging, one of the clubs after just carrying them to the range the first day got some bag chatter dings.
* The 8 iron did have a serial number laser engraved.  


Further inspection:
* Shafts were installed without standard callaway collared ferrules.
* The hosels were made to accept collared ferrules.
* Grips were installed without grip tape using some type of glue directly to the steel shaft
* Grips were fake.  (compared them with 3 authentic ones purchased from Golf Galaxy that I had on my wedges, *see picture below*)


I researched some overseas auction sites and located some auctions for "replica" X-forged clubs.  The pictures looked almost identical to mine with the "rough" cavity and the options they offered.  They sell for around $150-$200.

I contacted the seller and requested a full refund upon return based on the fact I believed they are not authentic.  I was not accusatory as she may have been duped herself and was just reselling them without knowledge.  She was willing to take them back and provided free shipping back to her.  

Below are some photos with descriptions.  I hope this helps anyone buying clubs from the internet.  Be careful, things are sometimes not as they seem even though they appear very similar.

**Side note** I hit these at the range and they felt better than the demo I hit at Golf Galaxy with the project X 6.0.  (Most likely because I hate the project x 6.0 but it gave me a laugh either way.)



Image from auction:



My pictures:

Image of "rough" cavity



2nd Image of "rough" cavity:



Image of sole, missing line under the 6



Lack of collared ferrule:



Lack of grip tape:



Hosel (is similar to authentic except that authentic the groove the ferrule sits on inside is cut at an angle and this is cut straight."



Fake grip on left, authentic on right (you can see the counterfeit grip is very similar but has deeper imprints on the diamond pattern, it is also a different rubber and feels completely different.)

Edited by outgolfing, 10 March 2018 - 11:25 PM.

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Ping G400 Max 9* w/ HZRDUS yellow
Titleist 917F2 16.5* w/ Diamana blue
Titleist 816H1 21* w/ Diamana blue
PXG 0311 4-8, 0311T 9-PW w/ DG105
PXG 0311 50*, Titleist SM4 54* & 60*
Bettinardi BB Zero DASS Tour (RJB5178)

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#2 Gh05t

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:18 PM

woah.... what are you going to do? hope you don't get screwed on these since you broke them down to verify. unfortunately you had to do to check, but they could definitely hold that against you. hope this works out.
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:33 PM

Damn.  
Almost getting to be you don’t want to even look for “ a deal” on line anymore. So many fakes.

I saw a set two weeks ago that I nearly bought that looked too good to be true. They  Probably were.
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 01:16 PM

View PostGh05t, on 10 March 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

woah.... what are you going to do? hope you don't get screwed on these since you broke them down to verify. unfortunately you had to do to check, but they could definitely hold that against you. hope this works out.

The seller was aware I disassembled to verify so Iím not concerned.  As of right now I havenít exhausted any other of my options (ie PayPal or Amex) since the seller agreed to the full refund.
Subject to change at any second...

Ping G400 Max 9* w/ HZRDUS yellow
Titleist 917F2 16.5* w/ Diamana blue
Titleist 816H1 21* w/ Diamana blue
PXG 0311 4-8, 0311T 9-PW w/ DG105
PXG 0311 50*, Titleist SM4 54* & 60*
Bettinardi BB Zero DASS Tour (RJB5178)

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 01:18 PM

View PostJagpilotohio, on 10 March 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

Damn.  
Almost getting to be you donít want to even look for ď a dealĒ on line anymore. So many fakes.

I saw a set two weeks ago that I nearly bought that looked too good to be true. They  Probably were.

I agree.

Subject to change at any second...

Ping G400 Max 9* w/ HZRDUS yellow
Titleist 917F2 16.5* w/ Diamana blue
Titleist 816H1 21* w/ Diamana blue
PXG 0311 4-8, 0311T 9-PW w/ DG105
PXG 0311 50*, Titleist SM4 54* & 60*
Bettinardi BB Zero DASS Tour (RJB5178)

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 05:41 AM

Sounds like you unfortunately may have bought from someone who didn’t know any better.

Read this article last year which helped me be more judicious when buying online. http://golfclubbroke...eit-golf-clubs/

Could you have taken them to a local pro shop to ask them to verify? Not sure if that’s something they offer.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:13 AM

Thanks for posting this.  Shows that the fakes keep getting better and better.  Its almost to the point where you have to look at the real one side by side and see a comparison to be 100% sure.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:34 PM

Refund was processed.  Iíll be honest though, Iím certain the seller is fully aware they were counterfeit.  She has also sold at least 2 other sets that are suspect, one of which just sold tonight.
Subject to change at any second...

Ping G400 Max 9* w/ HZRDUS yellow
Titleist 917F2 16.5* w/ Diamana blue
Titleist 816H1 21* w/ Diamana blue
PXG 0311 4-8, 0311T 9-PW w/ DG105
PXG 0311 50*, Titleist SM4 54* & 60*
Bettinardi BB Zero DASS Tour (RJB5178)

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:36 PM

View Postoutgolfing, on 12 March 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:

Refund was processed.  Iíll be honest though, Iím certain the seller is fully aware they were counterfeit.  She has also sold at least 2 other sets that are suspect, one of which just sold tonight.

Did you report them to eBay?

Also, post the link so we can all be aware.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:44 PM

Yes, they were reported to eBay ( Iím sure they will do nothing though)

Here is a link to the set that sold today:
https://m.ebay.com/i...c-/222876008802

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Ping G400 Max 9* w/ HZRDUS yellow
Titleist 917F2 16.5* w/ Diamana blue
Titleist 816H1 21* w/ Diamana blue
PXG 0311 4-8, 0311T 9-PW w/ DG105
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:54 PM

Sucks! I'm glad you recognized the inconsistances and the seller refunded your money. BB

Edited by Big Ben, 12 March 2018 - 08:55 PM.

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Drivers: Ping G400
Fairway: Titleist 917F2
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 09:08 PM

I guess 400+ positives can't really be trusted either....what a shame.

Edited by Dpak05, 12 March 2018 - 09:53 PM.

Driver: Titleist 915 D2
Wood:Titleist 915F
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:51 PM

I went back through her feedback and looked at the other golf items she has already sold.  I found two sets of x forged irons, two 917f2, and two 917 d2 that were all fake.  The 917ís were good knockoffs but the serial number font and slant/location gave it away.  I reported all the items to eBay, I hope they do the right thing and contact the buyers.

Edited by outgolfing, 13 March 2018 - 11:59 PM.

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Ping G400 Max 9* w/ HZRDUS yellow
Titleist 917F2 16.5* w/ Diamana blue
Titleist 816H1 21* w/ Diamana blue
PXG 0311 4-8, 0311T 9-PW w/ DG105
PXG 0311 50*, Titleist SM4 54* & 60*
Bettinardi BB Zero DASS Tour (RJB5178)

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:50 AM

all the sights they are selling are listed as clone, I have to wonder if everything they are selling isn't fake

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:59 AM

I remember buying a new TaylorMade burner driver when they just came out.
My pro happened to look at it and saw it fake.
eBay were great. Suspended the sellers account then closed it, refunded me. Other than getting police involved in not sure if they could have done anything else.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:38 AM

I could tell they were fake just from the finish.  The Callaway satin finish is pretty unique in that it isn't a brushed finish like most other companies use.  It's more like a peened finish and you can tell right away that the finish is not from Callaway.  

It's unlikely that they came from the same factory.  I do a lot of work with machining and castings and those look like they were cast.  It's a lot cheaper to make a cast copy of them than to machine the tooling necessary to forge them.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:23 PM

I looked through the sellers "Completed Items" and it seems like most of the golf clubs that he has sold in the past are counterfeit items.  The Ping G30 irons were terrible fakes with fake CP2 grips.  The M2 irons look counterfeit as well.

I hope the seller gets his account shut down.  He seems to know what he is selling since a lot of the golf clubs that he sells (his face is reflected nicely in the M2 iron soles picture) are near-new as if he bought them from AliExpress or the like to flip on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com...=p2047675.l2557

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Posted 08 June 2018 - 04:33 PM

Adding some of my pictures back to this thread.

As you can see in these pictures these are the fake X forged.  In the picture of the grip the one of the left is the fake.

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Ping G400 Max 9* w/ HZRDUS yellow
Titleist 917F2 16.5* w/ Diamana blue
Titleist 816H1 21* w/ Diamana blue
PXG 0311 4-8, 0311T 9-PW w/ DG105
PXG 0311 50*, Titleist SM4 54* & 60*
Bettinardi BB Zero DASS Tour (RJB5178)

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Posted 09 June 2018 - 06:34 AM

My friend also got a set of fakes a month ago and did not know they were fakes until he compared them with my retail ones.
The ebay retailers are mostly from Mira Loma and around the inland empire.
A good way to check before you buy is that most of the fakes are being called Japan versions and are being sold with the older callaway grip the japan market is not selling them with the dated 2012 grip.
When they arrive you will be be hard pressed to see they are fakes right away even after hitting them as they are very soft however the finish on the cavity of some of the heads looks a little ruff , and the trailing edge is straight not with a slight curve, the stamping is not as direct as the callaway stamping is deep and deliberate.

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