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Why are players like Davis Love and Goosen still bothering with the tour?


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#1 sonnygolf

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:58 AM

They rarely make cuts. They would be better off playing on the Champions Tour and making a load of more money and playing with old buddies such as Lehman, Mediate, Daly, Monty, Parnevik, O'Meara...etc.


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:01 AM

Mabye they just want to.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:02 AM

Those players on the champions tour do not make a load more money. The purse for their current tournament is $1.8mil. Valspar is $6.5mil. John Daly has made $80k this year. Goosen has made over $200k.

Edited by WidespreadPanic, 10 March 2018 - 11:05 AM.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:03 AM

Well for starters Goosen is 49 so playing on the Champion's Tour isn't an option.  Love has a lifetime exemption on the PGA Tour by virtue of his 20 wins.  He won only a couple of years ago at the Wyndham or some place like that.  He does play the Champion's Tour a little but as long as he feels he's competitive I think he'll prefer to play the regular Tour.
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:05 AM

Its the age-old defense, because they can.  DL3, being Ryder Cup captain, it helped him stay familiar with current players.

Edited by puttfordoux, 10 March 2018 - 11:05 AM.


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:37 AM

The Competitive mindset of an elite athlete....

Do you want to compete against the best in the world? Or against the guys that used to be the best in the world?


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:45 AM

View Postlumberman2462, on 10 March 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

The Competitive mindset of an elite athlete....

Do you want to compete against the best in the world? Or against the guys that used to be the best in the world?
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:45 AM

If they have the spot I donít care if they shoot 100.  Their call.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:52 AM

1. They get more pension $$ for each cut made.
2. Much of their income is based on endorsement money, and you are far more visible on the regular tour than the fogies tour.
3. You get to play in front of fans
4. Way more prize money
5. Everything is nicer on the real tour

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:57 AM

I imagine endorsement money is better as a pga player than on the senior tour.  Also it's probably hard to admit to yourself it's time to go to the minor leagues.


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:00 PM

Why wouldnít they continue to play the pga tour?
Enjoy the chase.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:01 PM

Also, can the mods set sonnygolf's font preference to wingdings?
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:10 PM

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 10 March 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

Those players on the champions tour do not make a load more money. The purse for their current tournament is $1.8mil. Valspar is $6.5mil. John Daly has made $80k this year. Goosen has made over $200k.

Look at you with all the actual facts and stuff.  The Champions tour is a total farce.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:26 PM

I would question it if they didn't. I am sure still being a part and competing against the upper echelon still is satisfying.  You only live once.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:40 PM

View Postvanillafunk616, on 10 March 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

I imagine endorsement money is better as a pga player than on the senior tour.

Not to mention the groupies.


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:45 PM

View Postthe bishop, on 10 March 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

Also, can the mods set sonnygolf's font preference to wingdings?

You are a donut

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:49 PM

View Postthe bishop, on 10 March 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

Also, can the mods set sonnygolf's font preference to wingdings?

Good idea - but it might be redundant?

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM

Wouldn't be surprised if the Champions Tour is phased out within the next decade.  I suppose as long as they have tournament sponsors it will go on but it's not much of a money maker.  The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 01:24 PM

View Postsnizzle, on 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Wouldn't be surprised if the Champions Tour is phased out within the next decade.  I suppose as long as they have tournament sponsors it will go on but it's not much of a money maker.  The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

Tiger and Phil wont play when they reach 50 but they might play when they get to mid 50's. That would be when the Championship tour will become popular and purses will go up. It will be Tiger playing against the old gang and people will want to see him set records there. And you think they will phase it out when there is a chance for Tiger to join? Ratings for championship tour when Tiger is playing will beat the regular pga. The only question is if Tiger and Phil would want to play. They should as they are competitors..

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 02:02 PM

View Postsonnygolf, on 10 March 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

View Postsnizzle, on 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Wouldn't be surprised if the Champions Tour is phased out within the next decade.  I suppose as long as they have tournament sponsors it will go on but it's not much of a money maker.  The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

Tiger and Phil wont play when they reach 50 but they might play when they get to mid 50's. That would be when the Championship tour will become popular and purses will go up. It will be Tiger playing against the old gang and people will want to see him set records there. And you think they will phase it out when there is a chance for Tiger to join? Ratings for championship tour when Tiger is playing will beat the regular pga. The only question is if Tiger and Phil would want to play. They should as they are competitors..
youíre not thinking like a competitor of their caliber. They would never play a champ tour event when they are exempt into pga tour events

Edit: I shouldnít say they, but Tiger. What reason does he have when he can still play the big tour

Edited by McCann1, 10 March 2018 - 02:03 PM.

Enjoy the chase.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 02:10 PM

View Postsnizzle, on 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

I would be surprised to see Tiger playing on the geriatric tour.  I don't think he will.  But there is no doubt in my mind that Phil will eventually.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 02:16 PM

View PostPGArox, on 10 March 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

View Postsnizzle, on 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

I would be surprised to see Tiger playing on the geriatric tour.  I don't think he will.  But there is no doubt in my mind that Phil will eventually.

Why Phil?

I don't think we'll see either of them there.

As others have said, after decades at the top of the best tour in the world, how exciting would it be to be at the top of some lesser tour?

Neither one needs a nickel of the money.  I know I'd be looking for more fulfilling things to do with all that money and time.

I think the Champions Tour's main function is to pad the retirement of lesser players while providing a modest entertainment.  Cheaper tickets, easier to get, smaller crowds - it fills a niche.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 02:37 PM

View PostPGArox, on 10 March 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

View Postsnizzle, on 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

I would be surprised to see Tiger playing on the geriatric tour.  I don't think he will.  But there is no doubt in my mind that Phil will eventually.

Senior majors and maybe a few other events that line up with his business interests. But Iíve long thought Phil is destined for a lead analyst job. Higher profile, and more money than playing in the senior tour. Obviously he has the skills to do it.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:18 PM

Last few times Iíve turned on the tv goosen has been up near the lead ?
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:20 PM

Theyíre probably not ready for feigned comraderie and novelty show paychecks just yet.


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:22 PM

View Postsonnygolf, on 10 March 2018 - 10:58 AM, said:

They rarely make cuts. They would be better off playing on the Champions Tour and making a load of more money and playing with old buddies such as Lehman, Mediate, Daly, Monty, Parnevik, O'Meara...etc.

I don't think it is about the money. Both could retire right now and live a very comfortable life.
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 04:25 PM

View Poststarsail85, on 10 March 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

Last few times Iíve turned on the tv goosen has been up near the lead ?

Whenís the last time you turned on your tv?  2013?

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 04:44 PM

1) I am not a davis fan
2) he still has the game and horsepower to play with the kids
3) he EARNED his exemption through a strong career
4) endorsement money is light years better assuming he plays enough events....bonus money especially for good events
5) retirement plan is way better, especially if you can play well enough to top 125 ++
6) he seems permanently tied to the Ryder cup somehow, so staying in front of the players and relevant to them is probably huge

I think it's a good question, but a lot of guys have tried to follow this path

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 04:50 PM

Wasnt Davis Love financially cleaned out by his brother on law or somebody, in a hotel scam?
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 05:03 PM

Better buffet?


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