Jump to content

Welcome. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest which does not give you access to all the great features at GolfWRX such as viewing all the images, interacting with members, access to all forums and eligiblility to win free giveaways. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. Create a FREE GolfWRX account here.

- - - - -

Why are players like Davis Love and Goosen still bothering with the tour?


64 replies to this topic

#1 sonnygolf

sonnygolf

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 208 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 489400
  • Joined: 12/24/2017
  • Location:Paris
  • Handicap:24
GolfWRX Likes : 110

Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:58 AM

They rarely make cuts. They would be better off playing on the Champions Tour and making a load of more money and playing with old buddies such as Lehman, Mediate, Daly, Monty, Parnevik, O'Meara...etc.


Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


1

#2 caniac6

caniac6

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,413 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 222453
  • Joined: 01/17/2013
  • Location:Winston-Salem,NC
  • Handicap:4
GolfWRX Likes : 2420

Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:01 AM

Mabye they just want to.

2

#3 WidespreadPanic

WidespreadPanic

    Wizard in the Corner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,783 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 425856
  • Joined: 05/19/2016
  • Location:Washington DC
  • Handicap:1.1
GolfWRX Likes : 2574

Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:02 AM

Those players on the champions tour do not make a load more money. The purse for their current tournament is $1.8mil. Valspar is $6.5mil. John Daly has made $80k this year. Goosen has made over $200k.

Edited by WidespreadPanic, 10 March 2018 - 11:05 AM.

Taylormade M2 ('17) 10.5*
Cobra F7 15.5*
Taylormade M1 ('17) 19*
Mizuno MPH5 4i
Mizuno MP33 5-PW
Cleveland RTX 588 2.0 52**, 56**, 60**
Taylormade TP Red Ardmore 3
Taylormade TPx

3

#4 the bishop

the bishop

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,827 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 439390
  • Joined: 09/03/2016
  • Location:Richmond, TX
GolfWRX Likes : 2750

Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:03 AM

Well for starters Goosen is 49 so playing on the Champion's Tour isn't an option.  Love has a lifetime exemption on the PGA Tour by virtue of his 20 wins.  He won only a couple of years ago at the Wyndham or some place like that.  He does play the Champion's Tour a little but as long as he feels he's competitive I think he'll prefer to play the regular Tour.
Ping G400 - Tour 65 - S
Ping G400 14.5* - Tour 75 - S
B-Stone TourB XD-H 21/24 - Kuro Kage Silver TiNi 80
W/S FG Tour Forged 5-P - DGS300
W/S PMP Raw  52/56/60 - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0
Scotty Newport Mil-Spec Pro Platium 35"

4

#5 puttfordoux

puttfordoux

    Advanced

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 338 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 494520
  • Joined: 02/24/2018
GolfWRX Likes : 217

Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:05 AM

Its the age-old defense, because they can.  DL3, being Ryder Cup captain, it helped him stay familiar with current players.

Edited by puttfordoux, 10 March 2018 - 11:05 AM.


5

#6 lumberman2462

lumberman2462

    Hall of Fame

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,039 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 116473
  • Joined: 10/21/2010
  • Handicap:?
GolfWRX Likes : 2427

Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:37 AM

The Competitive mindset of an elite athlete....

Do you want to compete against the best in the world? Or against the guys that used to be the best in the world?


SYard T388
                TaylorMade RBZ 13-15
                Miura CB-57 3-PW
                Miura 51Y, 52K,56K, 57C, 60K
                                Old Titleist Blade

6

#7 2putttom

2putttom

    # 1 Oregon Duck fan

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,284 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 177144
  • Joined: 04/24/2012
  • Location:Eureka Ca.
  • Handicap:12
GolfWRX Likes : 5346

Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:45 AM

View Postlumberman2462, on 10 March 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

The Competitive mindset of an elite athlete....

Do you want to compete against the best in the world? Or against the guys that used to be the best in the world?
BRILLIANT !  I'll use that analogy on my next wife.
Tour Exotics E 10 15*
Srixon 785's  w/G P MCC plus 4
Mizuno T 7 52 MP T7 56 &60
Bobby Grace SNYPER II   46"
Oregon Ducks Bag

7

#8 Frostfield

Frostfield

    Tour Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 837 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 227321
  • Joined: 02/06/2013
  • Location:Robinson, TX
GolfWRX Likes : 518

Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:45 AM

If they have the spot I donít care if they shoot 100.  Their call.

8

#9 DLiver

DLiver

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,568 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 55921
  • Joined: 05/16/2008
GolfWRX Likes : 668

Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:52 AM

1. They get more pension $$ for each cut made.
2. Much of their income is based on endorsement money, and you are far more visible on the regular tour than the fogies tour.
3. You get to play in front of fans
4. Way more prize money
5. Everything is nicer on the real tour

9

#10 vanillafunk616

vanillafunk616

    Advanced

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 487 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 378040
  • Joined: 05/28/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 284

Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:57 AM

I imagine endorsement money is better as a pga player than on the senior tour.  Also it's probably hard to admit to yourself it's time to go to the minor leagues.


Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


10

#11 McCann1

McCann1

    Tour Player

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,544 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 410936
  • Joined: 02/03/2016
  • Location:Wilmington, NC
  • Ebay ID:igolfandguitar
GolfWRX Likes : 2139

Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:00 PM

Why wouldnít they continue to play the pga tour?
Enjoy the chase.

11

#12 the bishop

the bishop

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,827 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 439390
  • Joined: 09/03/2016
  • Location:Richmond, TX
GolfWRX Likes : 2750

Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:01 PM

Also, can the mods set sonnygolf's font preference to wingdings?
Ping G400 - Tour 65 - S
Ping G400 14.5* - Tour 75 - S
B-Stone TourB XD-H 21/24 - Kuro Kage Silver TiNi 80
W/S FG Tour Forged 5-P - DGS300
W/S PMP Raw  52/56/60 - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0
Scotty Newport Mil-Spec Pro Platium 35"

12

#13 Outlier

Outlier

    OUTLIER

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,177 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 105230
  • Joined: 03/23/2010
  • Location:Ice Cold in Charlotte, NC
  • Handicap:1906
GolfWRX Likes : 384

Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:10 PM

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 10 March 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

Those players on the champions tour do not make a load more money. The purse for their current tournament is $1.8mil. Valspar is $6.5mil. John Daly has made $80k this year. Goosen has made over $200k.

Look at you with all the actual facts and stuff.  The Champions tour is a total farce.

13

#14 ray9898

ray9898

    Tour Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 694 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 419990
  • Joined: 04/09/2016
GolfWRX Likes : 706

Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:26 PM

I would question it if they didn't. I am sure still being a part and competing against the upper echelon still is satisfying.  You only live once.

14

#15 legitimategolf

legitimategolf

    Fighting!

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,279 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 144779
  • Joined: 10/31/2011
  • Location:New York NY
GolfWRX Likes : 2983

Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:40 PM

View Postvanillafunk616, on 10 March 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

I imagine endorsement money is better as a pga player than on the senior tour.

Not to mention the groupies.


15

#16 sonnygolf

sonnygolf

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 208 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 489400
  • Joined: 12/24/2017
  • Location:Paris
  • Handicap:24
GolfWRX Likes : 110

Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:45 PM

View Postthe bishop, on 10 March 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

Also, can the mods set sonnygolf's font preference to wingdings?

You are a donut

16

#17 Ignatius Reilly

Ignatius Reilly

    Advanced

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 314 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 454100
  • Joined: 02/04/2017
  • Location:Toronto
  • Handicap:14
GolfWRX Likes : 250

Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:49 PM

View Postthe bishop, on 10 March 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

Also, can the mods set sonnygolf's font preference to wingdings?

Good idea - but it might be redundant?

17

#18 snizzle

snizzle

    Advanced

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 376 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 442582
  • Joined: 10/05/2016
  • Location:CA
GolfWRX Likes : 214

Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM

Wouldn't be surprised if the Champions Tour is phased out within the next decade.  I suppose as long as they have tournament sponsors it will go on but it's not much of a money maker.  The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

18

#19 sonnygolf

sonnygolf

    Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 208 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 489400
  • Joined: 12/24/2017
  • Location:Paris
  • Handicap:24
GolfWRX Likes : 110

Posted 10 March 2018 - 01:24 PM

View Postsnizzle, on 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Wouldn't be surprised if the Champions Tour is phased out within the next decade.  I suppose as long as they have tournament sponsors it will go on but it's not much of a money maker.  The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

Tiger and Phil wont play when they reach 50 but they might play when they get to mid 50's. That would be when the Championship tour will become popular and purses will go up. It will be Tiger playing against the old gang and people will want to see him set records there. And you think they will phase it out when there is a chance for Tiger to join? Ratings for championship tour when Tiger is playing will beat the regular pga. The only question is if Tiger and Phil would want to play. They should as they are competitors..

19

#20 McCann1

McCann1

    Tour Player

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,544 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 410936
  • Joined: 02/03/2016
  • Location:Wilmington, NC
  • Ebay ID:igolfandguitar
GolfWRX Likes : 2139

Posted 10 March 2018 - 02:02 PM

View Postsonnygolf, on 10 March 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

View Postsnizzle, on 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

Wouldn't be surprised if the Champions Tour is phased out within the next decade.  I suppose as long as they have tournament sponsors it will go on but it's not much of a money maker.  The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

Tiger and Phil wont play when they reach 50 but they might play when they get to mid 50's. That would be when the Championship tour will become popular and purses will go up. It will be Tiger playing against the old gang and people will want to see him set records there. And you think they will phase it out when there is a chance for Tiger to join? Ratings for championship tour when Tiger is playing will beat the regular pga. The only question is if Tiger and Phil would want to play. They should as they are competitors..
youíre not thinking like a competitor of their caliber. They would never play a champ tour event when they are exempt into pga tour events

Edit: I shouldnít say they, but Tiger. What reason does he have when he can still play the big tour

Edited by McCann1, 10 March 2018 - 02:03 PM.

Enjoy the chase.

Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


Wanna get rid of this ugly yellow box? And remove other annoying "stuff" in between posts? Create a FREE GolfWRX account here.

20

#21 PGArox

PGArox

    Legend

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,332 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 89725
  • Joined: 07/26/2009
  • Location:Los Angeles, CA USA
GolfWRX Likes : 5884

Posted 10 March 2018 - 02:10 PM

View Postsnizzle, on 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

I would be surprised to see Tiger playing on the geriatric tour.  I don't think he will.  But there is no doubt in my mind that Phil will eventually.

21

#22 Ignatius Reilly

Ignatius Reilly

    Advanced

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 314 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 454100
  • Joined: 02/04/2017
  • Location:Toronto
  • Handicap:14
GolfWRX Likes : 250

Posted 10 March 2018 - 02:16 PM

View PostPGArox, on 10 March 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

View Postsnizzle, on 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

I would be surprised to see Tiger playing on the geriatric tour.  I don't think he will.  But there is no doubt in my mind that Phil will eventually.

Why Phil?

I don't think we'll see either of them there.

As others have said, after decades at the top of the best tour in the world, how exciting would it be to be at the top of some lesser tour?

Neither one needs a nickel of the money.  I know I'd be looking for more fulfilling things to do with all that money and time.

I think the Champions Tour's main function is to pad the retirement of lesser players while providing a modest entertainment.  Cheaper tickets, easier to get, smaller crowds - it fills a niche.

22

#23 cdnglf

cdnglf

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,468 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 139540
  • Joined: 09/20/2011
GolfWRX Likes : 1975

Posted 10 March 2018 - 02:37 PM

View PostPGArox, on 10 March 2018 - 02:10 PM, said:

View Postsnizzle, on 10 March 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

The true elites such as Phil or Tiger will never play on the Champions tour either when they reach 50.

I would be surprised to see Tiger playing on the geriatric tour.  I don't think he will.  But there is no doubt in my mind that Phil will eventually.

Senior majors and maybe a few other events that line up with his business interests. But Iíve long thought Phil is destined for a lead analyst job. Higher profile, and more money than playing in the senior tour. Obviously he has the skills to do it.

23

#24 starsail85

starsail85

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,830 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 2663
  • Joined: 07/14/2005
GolfWRX Likes : 1006

Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:18 PM

Last few times Iíve turned on the tv goosen has been up near the lead ?
Mizuno ST190 / AD DI 6x
Mizuno ST190 / AD DI 7x
Mizuno MP18 2fh / PX 6.0
Mizuno MP18 3-Pw/ PX 6.0
Mizuno S18 5310+5812/PX 6.0
Ping TR Anser 1966/ 34Ē

Ball - pro v1x
Grips - Crossline cord

Lofts 18 , 21.5, 25, 29, 33, 37, 41, 45, 49, 53, 58

24

#25 Petunia Sprinkle

Petunia Sprinkle

    Future King of France

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,407 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 397380
  • Joined: 09/25/2015
GolfWRX Likes : 4584

Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:20 PM

Theyíre probably not ready for feigned comraderie and novelty show paychecks just yet.


25

#26 Sean2

Sean2

    #TheWRX (Callaway Trip)

  • ClubWRX Charter Members
  • 30,077 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 29539
  • Joined: 05/23/2007
  • Location:South of Boston
  • Ebay ID:None
GolfWRX Likes : 17516

Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:22 PM

View Postsonnygolf, on 10 March 2018 - 10:58 AM, said:

They rarely make cuts. They would be better off playing on the Champions Tour and making a load of more money and playing with old buddies such as Lehman, Mediate, Daly, Monty, Parnevik, O'Meara...etc.

I don't think it is about the money. Both could retire right now and live a very comfortable life.
Callaway Rogue
Callaway GBB Epic 16º/20º/24º
Callaway Steelhead XR 25º
Callaway Apex CF16 6-AW
Callaway MD3/MD-PM 54º/58º
Callaway "O" Works #7

26

#27 golfandfishing

golfandfishing

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,859 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 381948
  • Joined: 06/22/2015
  • Location:AZ
  • Handicap:4
GolfWRX Likes : 5011

Posted 10 March 2018 - 04:25 PM

View Poststarsail85, on 10 March 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

Last few times Iíve turned on the tv goosen has been up near the lead ?

Whenís the last time you turned on your tv?  2013?

27

#28 rangersgoalie

rangersgoalie

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,618 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 290733
  • Joined: 01/07/2014
  • Location:CA
GolfWRX Likes : 3132

Posted 10 March 2018 - 04:44 PM

1) I am not a davis fan
2) he still has the game and horsepower to play with the kids
3) he EARNED his exemption through a strong career
4) endorsement money is light years better assuming he plays enough events....bonus money especially for good events
5) retirement plan is way better, especially if you can play well enough to top 125 ++
6) he seems permanently tied to the Ryder cup somehow, so staying in front of the players and relevant to them is probably huge

I think it's a good question, but a lot of guys have tried to follow this path

28

#29 Londoner

Londoner

    Major Winner

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,145 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 483738
  • Joined: 10/07/2017
  • Location:Sheffield England
  • Handicap:14
  • Ebay ID:Woofwoof666
GolfWRX Likes : 916

Posted 10 March 2018 - 04:50 PM

Wasnt Davis Love financially cleaned out by his brother on law or somebody, in a hotel scam?
Mizuno mp h5. 4-W KBS tour stiff 2 iron modus 3 stiff.
taylormade m2 Driver + hl 3 wood
ping anser
Titleist sm6 50 +54
Cleveland 60

29

#30 imakaveli

imakaveli

    Moli Moli Moli Moli Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy...

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,010 posts
  •  
  • Member #: 131351
  • Joined: 06/22/2011
  • Location:Milano, Italy
  • Handicap:3.8
GolfWRX Likes : 5549

Posted 10 March 2018 - 05:03 PM

Better buffet?


Remove This Advertisement Viewing As Guest

    GolfWRX Forums

    Advertisement


Wanna get rid of this ugly yellow box? And remove other annoying "stuff" in between posts? Create a FREE GolfWRX account here.

30



0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

GolfWRX Sponsors