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Posted 09 March 2018 - 03:18 PM

I’m working with my group on trying to narrow down two options for trips.  We are contemplating either upstate Michigan or Kohler.  Below are our preliminary itineraries for each.  Am I missing any “can’t miss courses” in those areas or would you replace any of those listed for others?  Also, how much of a better trip would Kohler be over Michigan, trying to quantify that for the group:

Upstate Michigan (fly into TVC):
Grand Traverse Bear
Lochen Heath
Forest Dunes x 2
The Loop x 2
Arcadia Bluffs

Wisconsin (fly into MKE):
Erin Hills
Bull at Pinehurst Farms
Blackwolf Run River
Whistling Straits Irish
Whistling Straits Straits
Blackwolf Run Meadow Valleys


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Posted 09 March 2018 - 03:37 PM

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 03:37 PM

Wow....I dont think you can go wrong.  I know the Michigan courses very well and the only change you need to make is replace Grand Traverse Bear with Kingsley Club.  Kingsley is private but they do allow outside play and if you make the call you will most likely get on.  The Bear is ok but most will tell you its more of a resort course....Kingsley is a must play if headed to Michigan and is very close to most of the courses listed.
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Posted 09 March 2018 - 03:44 PM

My group has done both trips and I vote for Wisconsin.  Personal preference - the Bog instead of the Bull.  Wisconsin is going to be more expensive than the Michigan lineup if that's a consideration for your group.

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 05:07 PM

I havenít done the Wisconsin trip but have done the Michigan trip. Itís absolutely phenomenal. I absolutely love Forest Dunes. Outside of the likes Augusta, Pebble, or PV I think if I could only play one course for the rest of my life it would be Forest Dunes. It provides everything I want in a course. Then at Arcadia you just cannot beat the views. Iíd love to do the Wisconsin trip sometime and it sounds like you canít really beat either.

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 05:55 PM

Do Wisconsin and play Lawsonia Links.  Could be the best course you play on the trip.
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Posted 09 March 2018 - 07:29 PM

Have played all of the courses on you list in both Wisconsin and Michigan, and I'll give another vote for Wisconsin.
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Posted 09 March 2018 - 08:21 PM

If you do Wisconsin Iíd skip the bog & try to add lawsonia or sand valley.

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 08:45 PM

Wisconsin by far.  If you want a nice course in Milwaukee, play Brown Deer.

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 08:45 PM

View PostGPoppaPump, on 09 March 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

I’m working with my group on trying to narrow down two options for trips.  We are contemplating either upstate Michigan or Kohler.  Below are our preliminary itineraries for each.  Am I missing any “can’t miss courses” in those areas or would you replace any of those listed for others?  Also, how much of a better trip would Kohler be over Michigan, trying to quantify that for the group:

Upstate Michigan (fly into TVC):
Grand Traverse Bear
Lochen Heath
Forest Dunes x 2
The Loop x 2
Arcadia Bluffs

Wisconsin (fly into MKE):
Erin Hills
Bull at Pinehurst Farms
Blackwolf Run River
Whistling Straits Irish
Whistling Straits Straits
Blackwolf Run Meadow Valleys

find the rankings of the courses on the greatest public courses list ... lowest total score wins ... would imagine wisconsin wins by a mile ... i've played 3 of the 4 at kohler and erin hills ... gonna be damned hard to beat the quality of those, however it's quantified ... it's more expensive, yes, but is the difference really that big a deal? ... can tell you right now you will not enjoy a course more than blackwolf, but you will not curse a hole more than #13 (or whatever it is - it's the par 3, and you'll know which one i'm talking about - if i look it up, i'll get angry) ...


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Posted 09 March 2018 - 10:42 PM

If you choose the Michigan route, I'd skip the Bear and Add Belvedere in Charleviox, MI.  Semi-private that has hosted MI AM 40 times.  Throw in the Boyne Donald Ross tribute in the afternoon as a perfect 36er.  I'd play Forest Dunes once and then swing up and play RTJ Treetops.  

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 11:11 PM

No question, Wisconsin.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:18 AM

Wow great problem to have!

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 01:32 AM

Arcadia south course is opening in august i believe, Will only be 1 mile down rd.from the bluffs. flyover pics look very intriguing.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 06:39 AM

I would add Bay Harbor in Petoskey to the Michigan list over The Bear in Traverse City. Awesome course that goes along the water up there.


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 07:48 AM

Didn't Lochenheath go full private?

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:13 AM

You can play lochenheath,i think maybe tuesday and saturday out of the question.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:28 AM

Add Bay Harbor and Kingsley Club to the Michigan trip and it’s impossible to beat for the money.

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 07:57 PM

Get rid of The Bear and add Kingsley and you have an awesome MI trip. That being said your WI trip looks awesome also. Northern MI is such a great place and basing it out of Traverse City gives you awesome food and beer options.
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Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:30 PM

I give you Greywalls, vastly underrated and Top 5 in Michigan. (Marquette, MI) U.P.

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 02:42 AM

View PostGPoppaPump, on 09 March 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

I’m working with my group on trying to narrow down two options for trips.  We are contemplating either upstate Michigan or Kohler.  Below are our preliminary itineraries for each.  Am I missing any “can’t miss courses” in those areas or would you replace any of those listed for others?  Also, how much of a better trip would Kohler be over Michigan, trying to quantify that for the group:

Upstate Michigan (fly into TVC):
Grand Traverse Bear
Lochen Heath
Forest Dunes x 2
The Loop x 2
Arcadia Bluffs

Wisconsin (fly into MKE):
Erin Hills
Bull at Pinehurst Farms
Blackwolf Run River
Whistling Straits Irish
Whistling Straits Straits
Blackwolf Run Meadow Valleys

Have not done Wisconsin yet but want to get it in this summer.

Northern Michigan is amazing in the summer and you got all the right tracks but I would second those that say to add Kingsley and Bay Harbor if at all possible.....never played The Bear but there is no way it's better than these other two options for pry same price and region

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:53 AM

+1 on adding Kingsley  It was my favorite of my Michigan trip.  Both fantastic trips.  Having done both within the past two years, very similar itineraries, my only consideration is the Wisconsin trip cost nearly twice as much.  Most of that was lodging at the American Club (take a pass on that).  The other thing that surprised me was Whistling Straits was my 6th favorite course out of the two trips.  That is more a function of the greatness of the other courses and not that WS is a bad course, but once was enough, on my next trips to WI it wont be on the docket.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:45 AM

Anyone know what they charge for Lochenheath?  I reached out to the course and the pro got back to me and said we could get on. I just don't wanna be shocked if he quotes me a rate much higher than I was thinking.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 12:59 PM

I played it last year and I believe I paid $135 in July.  Well worth it and they probably have the best practice area in Northern Michigan so take advantage of that.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 01:09 PM

View PostBG5, on 12 March 2018 - 12:59 PM, said:

I played it last year and I believe I paid $135 in July.  Well worth it and they probably have the best practice area in Northern Michigan so take advantage of that.

That was about the price range I was expecting so we would be happy with that. I'm gonna give a call get get something set up!


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 01:38 PM

Wisconsin.

If it all  possible reduce the Kohler time and include a loop to Sand Valley.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 04:58 PM

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+1 on adding Kingsley  It was my favorite of my Michigan trip.  Both fantastic trips.  Having done both within the past two years, very similar itineraries, my only consideration is the Wisconsin trip cost nearly twice as much.  Most of that was lodging at the American Club (take a pass on that).  The other thing that surprised me was Whistling Straits was my 6th favorite course out of the two trips.  That is more a function of the greatness of the other courses and not that WS is a bad course, but once was enough, on my next trips to WI it wont be on the docket.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:28 PM

I did a Wisconsin trip this past summer. I played Whistling Staits, the Straits and the Irish, and Blackwolf Run, the River. On the way back home, I stopped and played Erin Hills. Erin was my favorite stop, loved everything about the course. The Straits actually came in third for me, the view is gorgeous and the course is great but if take away the view, I preferred the River course over it. All 4 courses are easily in my top 10.

I am taking a Wisconsin trip #2 this year. Playing both courses at Sand Valley, Lawsonia and ending the trip at Erin again.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:47 AM

View PostBubb, on 13 March 2018 - 04:58 PM, said:

View Postvallygolf, on 12 March 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

+1 on adding Kingsley  It was my favorite of my Michigan trip.  Both fantastic trips.  Having done both within the past two years, very similar itineraries, my only consideration is the Wisconsin trip cost nearly twice as much.  Most of that was lodging at the American Club (take a pass on that).  The other thing that surprised me was Whistling Straits was my 6th favorite course out of the two trips.  That is more a function of the greatness of the other courses and not that WS is a bad course, but once was enough, on my next trips to WI it wont be on the docket.
How would you rank the Wisconsin courses?


Here is a review of that trip from another thread:

Got back from this trip a few weeks ago, ended up playing kohler 36 and 36  whistling and blackwolf, and Erin Hills saturday mid morning.  A few thoughts:

I rarely flinch at cost, if im going to play these great courses I expect to take a financial beating.  Kohler was still a significant sticker shock, one for sure pays to play when the weather is perfect...and it was perfect.

Best greens of the trip IMO  BlackWolf River.  Running a legit 13 on the stimp with awesome undulations.  Pure as pure can be.  I get not everybodys thing, but I loved it.  

All the recommendations were spot on, thanks for the info.  Special place for golf for sure.  If I was going back here is the order of importance I would give to playing the courses.  My opinion only:

1. Erin Hills.  Everything about this place is special.  Seems like you are on your own planet. Great golf course wonderful natural design, played some holes from the open tees, mostly black tees with a few blue tees (#18 at about 670 yards).  It was my favorite by a wide margin on this trip (Caddy 9 out of 10).  Shot 77

2. Black Wolf Run (River).  The green complexes at this course were unreal with the speed of the greens.  (Caddy 7 out of 10) made sure to help keep me on the right side of the hole.  Greens were so pure and quick.  Great layout.  I can see how people hate on #13.  fortunately for me it was a 223 yard 3 hybrid which carries over the trees easily.  Couldnt warm up with a driver or 3 wood, because the range was too small.  If you gave me 10 rounds here vs WS, 6 BWRR and 4 WS.  Shot 79

3. Whistling Straits (straits).  Great setting for golf, well designed, fun, and interesting.  This course really changes it up every hole.  It is obvious it gets a ton of play and by the end of august the greens were pretty beat up.  Putting surfaces were a bit of a disappointment.  I hit a few really good puts that bounced offline and cost me a really great round here.  Like many I felt it was a bit contrived and forced, but choose to just enjoy it as Mr. Dyes artistic expression. (interestingly Arcadia Bluffs didn't seem as contrived to me). (Caddy 4 out of 10) was really sub par compared to other locations. Played my best golf of the trip here.  Shot 73

4.  Whistling Straits Irish.  Well done, holds its own vs similar courses (Straits and Arcadia).  I think it is a bit underrated but overpriced (Kohler as a whole values itself a bit too much).  As long as CEO's are willing to fill the tee sheet........
Caddy 7 out of 10  Shot 80 worst performance on the trip.

5. BWR Meadows.  Enjoyable course.  Again overpriced as a few holes are forgettable.  No caddy  Shot 75


With as much great golf as there is in this area, I would skip WS on a return trip.  Must plays would be BWRR and Erin Hills.  I would probably sneak to the Bull or Lawsonia Links, and spend two days at EH. I was glad to play WS first as I checkd on a replay and they didnt have any open times as it is peak season.  American Club was wonderful, but as has been suggested, i didnt stay there at all playing 36/day.  I would skip it next time.  All in all the area lived up to the hype and I would not discourage anybody from making the trip.  It is fantastic.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:02 AM

Would probably pick the Wisconsin itinerary but I'd consider Sand Valley and then Erin Hills. I spent two days at EH last August with five days in Kohler. My wife and I have been fortunate to do a lot of great golf trips over the last five years (Pebble, Pinehurst, Sea Island) but IMO the American Club is the most overpriced/overrated resort I've ever stayed at. Not that its not nice but man I think its way overpriced. I thought the golf was all great - and certainly would recommend all 4 WS courses - but If we went back, I'd find an Airbnb option somewhere outside of the immediate area.

My plan right now if we went back to WI is to do 3 or 4 days at Sand Valley and 2 or 3 at Erin Hills.

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