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Are your carbon shafts deformed for 15-20sec after impact?


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#1 dwainwright

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 03:44 AM

Hallo everybody,
I've bought a few clubs recently, one is a M1 440 with a HZRDUS Black 5.5 65g shaft and the other is a M2 tour 3 wood with a Kuro Kage reg flex 70g shaft. In particular with the driver, the shaft is obviously and visibly deformed backwards for at least 15sec after impact. It does return to it's normal form, but when hitting on the range, I need to give the shaft some time before hitting it again. The same can be observed - to a much lesser extent with the Kuro Kage wood shaft.

I'm not looking for comments - OMG you must swing fast, but I am asking:
1. Is this normal?
2. Is this is an indication that these shafts are too light and/or flexible for me?

The main reason for asking this, is that I just got sent a Rogue wood with a 80g shaft (I ordered 70g) and am wondering if I should send it back, or give it a go - I can't go to a fitting (unfortunately). I have to fit myself through trial and error.

Cheers,
David.

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#2 justasgood

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 03:49 AM

Do you have a pic of this deformity?

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:32 AM

No, but the shaft is slightly bent / bowed backwards - when I turn the club on the axis of the shaft, it's really easy to see. If it was just the HZRDUS, I would just have thought that it is a poor example of this shaft (it's the TM OEM version, not the handmade), but the Kuro Kage also shows the effect to a lesser extent. These are the only two reg flex shafts I have - and maybe they should be the last - my primary interest in this discussion.
Cheers,
David.

Edited by dwainwright, 07 March 2018 - 05:47 AM.

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:35 AM

The shaft shouldn't stay in flexion that long after impact.

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 06:43 AM

That sounds strange but im interested why thats happening weird one?


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 06:56 AM

Love to see pictures of that.  Or can you be more specific about what this deformation looks like?

But no that's not normal - nor even consistent with basic laws of mechanics for 'normal' materials  (yes there are some very specialized materials that can behave differently - but carbon fiber shafts are not one of those).  Either deformation is elastic - in which case it should return to it's normal shape immediately as soon as the forces are removed.  Or deformation is plastic - in which case it will not return to the original shape unless physically bent back (a reverse plastic deformation generated).

No, it's not an indication that it's too light or too flexible for you (too weak maybe IF your normal swing caused damage to the shaft - but that's not quite the same as too flexible).

I've never seen it or heard of anything like that, but in theory it could be a consequence of some serious delamination occurring of the graphite layers in the shaft.

Edited by Stuart G., 07 March 2018 - 07:01 AM.


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 06:59 AM

Could be badly formed carbon, it sounds like a defect of some sort for sure

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 07:15 AM

I'll see if I can catch it on an iPhone - might take until the weekend. I'll be going to the range tonight, but it might be too dark to get any decent pictures on the phone - the boxes are pretty gloomy.
Cheers,
David

Edited by dwainwright, 07 March 2018 - 07:16 AM.

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 07:20 AM

As in rolling shutter effect you are seeing on a picture?  I am not understanding.

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 09:33 AM

They shouldn’t for that long.


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#11 dwainwright

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:10 AM

I did try to make some photos of the shaft, but the bend is just to subtle to photograph without the use of a grid and something with a few reference points. It's not as if the club is L formed after impact, the bend is maybe 1cm over the length, which is obvious when you hold and rotate the club in your hand, but not obvious on a photo. I think I'll put this down a being a poor example of this shaft.
Thanks for the input,
David.
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 01:14 PM

I think it's very possible that you're seeing things, because from a physics standpoint this can't happen.  Modern composite shafts are far too inelastic to hold a bend, much les shave it slowly straighten back out. That's how I'm reading your comments, that the normal straight line the shaft would take is somehow a curved line, albeit a subtle curve, right?
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 02:59 PM

An optometrist may be able to assist you.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:41 PM

Gonna use a comment ive read on here hundreds of times....
PICS OR IT AINT REAL.

Thanx, just want to see what ur talking about
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:55 PM

in for pics


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:56 PM

Faulty shaft.

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:01 PM

Shaft stays bent after impact?  

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:05 PM

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 05:49 AM

Maybe try a Zolex X-Shaft?  Being that its flat like a sword might not deform as much.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:05 AM

Put it up to something with a straight edge after said swing, like a ruler.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:29 PM

Bumping this back up so the witty comments keep coming in!

OP, there has to be something straight-edged in the driving stall you could place it next to to get a decent pic?  Since you say it's obvious if you roll it in your hand, perhaps post a UTube video?  Not trying to bust your balls, but most posters here are not believing this.  Maybe some before pics of a perfectly straight shaft, then one 10 seconds after you've deformed it?

Did you buy this club/shaft combo from a site the started with Ali... or DHGa...?
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 07:52 PM

You guys been had.

If a composite stick deformed to 1 cm off line, it will NEVER return to the original shape.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 08:54 PM

I think there is definitely something bent alright and it ain't the shaft. :D
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