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I am an average joe S-flex guy, so why are DG AMT Tour Issue X100s working so well?


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 12:40 PM

I picked up a set of Srixon S565s shafted from the factory in Dynamic Gold AMT Tour Issue X100s.  I assumed these shafts would be way too much for my moderate SS.  So I fully planned on pulling the shafts and re-shafting with with Steelfiber i95s in Stiff (I have R-flex in my current gamers -- but believe I will do better with the stiff).  I have been using graphite shafted irons to take some strain off my wrists and elbows which can get sore, and because I seemed to get through the ball better with lighter shafts (or so I thought).  I started with the Recoil 680 F4s -- and thought they were ok.  Went to the Steelfiber i95 R-flex -- and liked them a bit more.

My main miss is a pull or pull-hook with my irons and the shot goes long and left.  I do not typically go right -- except a block push/stuck inside on occasion.  My good shots start 2-4* right and draw back to middle.  I cannot really hit a fade on command.  My 6i SS is about mid 80s.

So when I get the 565s I am naturally excited and curious, and spent some time on my Skytrack with them (with the X100s).  To my surprise -- I hit them well, really well.  Equally long to my gamers, but tighter and straighter.  Pulls were much more infrequent.  Fat hits much more infrequent, and losing less distance.  Thin hits seem to go longer as well (losing a lot less distance than I am used too).  To give some numbers -- with the X100s I am seeing the 8i ball speed around 105 and 145 carry, and 6i ball speed around 115 with a 165 carry (a some hotter ones going over 170 carry).  These are on par with my best hits with the Steelfibers (in my current gamers) -- but the dispersion is tighter, launch is lower, and spin is lower with the X100s.  Granted I am comparing two different heads (Cobra Forged Tec vs Srixon Z565) -- but they are similar forged cavity-back heads with virtually identical lofts.

I went ahead and pulled the shaft on the 565 6i -- and I installed the Steelfiber i95 stiff (waiting for the epoxy to dry).  I plan to give it a whirl and compare to the data and feel I have gathered.

But by all accounts -- these X100s would be way more shaft that I need.  Yet -- I really like them.

Does this mean that perhaps I should go back and try a heavier shaft (like a Steelfiber 110 or Project X LZ steel)?  Should I just shrug and go with the X100s since they seem to work?  Why are they working?

Any thoughts would be appreciated!

Edited by Qwiklap, 02 March 2018 - 03:41 PM.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 12:59 PM

The AMT x100 with the lighter weights in the longer irons certainly helps with being able to use the x100 shaft for many.  I used the S300 (130g) shaft for many years and tried an x100 and BINGO!  Ball on a string.
The longer irons however were a struggle and then came then AMT.....perfect!

Use the stiffest shaft that will allow you to get the height on the shot, so if your trajectories are ok then you are good.  Tighter dispersion with the stiffer shaft.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:13 PM

View PostBirdieBob, on 02 March 2018 - 12:59 PM, said:

The AMT x100 with the lighter weights in the longer irons certainly helps with being able to use the x100 shaft for many.  I used the S300 (130g) shaft for many years and tried an x100 and BINGO!  Ball on a string.
The longer irons however were a struggle and then came then AMT.....perfect!

Use the stiffest shaft that will allow you to get the height on the shot, so if your trajectories are ok then you are good.  Tighter dispersion with the stiffer shaft.

Thanks -- I think the heights are good.  8i at about 90-95 ft apex, and 6i in the 75 - 80 ft apex.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:22 PM

View PostQwiklap, on 02 March 2018 - 01:13 PM, said:

View PostBirdieBob, on 02 March 2018 - 12:59 PM, said:

The AMT x100 with the lighter weights in the longer irons certainly helps with being able to use the x100 shaft for many.  I used the S300 (130g) shaft for many years and tried an x100 and BINGO!  Ball on a string.
The longer irons however were a struggle and then came then AMT.....perfect!

Use the stiffest shaft that will allow you to get the height on the shot, so if your trajectories are ok then you are good.  Tighter dispersion with the stiffer shaft.

Thanks -- I think the heights are good.  8i at about 90-95 ft apex, and 6i in the 75 - 80 ft apex.


If the height is not sufficient then you will suffer in distance.  But it seems you are ok with your distance.

If one is having height issues with the x100 in the AMT then another option now available is the DG 105 x100 shaft.  I have played this shaft and it is very similar to its heavier big brother in performance.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:45 PM

Golf is funny like that. Iím around 107mph with a driver and for kicks I was hitting a couple ladies flex drivers on the range one day and I was surprised how good they felt. I liked the shorter, lighter club. I was spinning the shots to the moon but it felt so smooth.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:51 PM

View PostQwiklap, on 02 March 2018 - 12:40 PM, said:

I picked up a set of Srixon S565s shafted from the factory in Dynamic Gold AMT Tour Issue X100s.  I assumed these shafts would be way too much for my moderate SS.  So I fully planned on pulling the shafts and re-shafting with with Steelfiber i95s in Stiff (I have R-flex in my current gamers -- but believe I will do better with the stiff).  I have been using graphite shafted irons to take some strain off my wrists and elbows which can get sore, and because I seemed to get through the ball better with lighter shafts (or so I thought).  I started with the Recoil 680 F4s -- and thought they were ok.  Went to the Steelfiber i95 R-flex -- and liked them a bit more.

My main miss is a pull or pull-hook with my irons and the shot goes long and left.  I do not typically go right -- except a block push/stuck inside on occasion.  My good shots start 2-4* right and draw back to middle.  I cannot really hit a fade on command.  My 6i SS is about mid 80s.

So when I get the 565s I am naturally excited and curious, and spent some time on my Skytrack with them (with the X100s).  To my surprise -- I hit them well, really well.  Equally long to my gamers, but tighter and straighter.  Pulls were much more infrequent.  Fat hits much more infrequent, and losing less distance.  Thin hits seem to go longer as well (losing a lot less distance than I am used too).  To give some numbers -- with the X100s I am seeing the 8i ball speed around 105 and 145 carry, and 6i ball speed around 115 with a 165 carry (a some hotter ones going over 170 carry).  These are on par with my best hits with the Steelfibers (in my current gamers) -- but the dispersion is tighter, launch is lower, and spin is lower with the X100s.  Granted I am comparing two different heads (Cobra Forged Tec vs Srixon Z565) -- but they are similar forged cavity-back heads with virtually identical lofts.

I went ahead and pulled the shaft on the 565 6i -- and I installed the Steelfiber i96 stiff (waiting for the epoxy to dry).  I plan to give it a whirl and compare to the data and feel I have gathered.

But by all accounts -- these X100s would be way more shaft that I need.  Yet -- I really like them.

Does this mean that perhaps I should go back and try a heavier shaft (like a Steelfiber 110 or Project X LZ steel)?  Should I just shrug and go with the X100s since they seem to work?  Why are they working?

Any thoughts would be appreciated!
The X100 is equivalent to an S300 except for a higher flex point. The higher flex point may give you better accuracy.  Some people assume the X range takes up where the S range stops.  That is not correct, there is an overlap.  S300 = X100, S400 = X200, etc.  This also explains why the dispersion is tighter, the launch is lower, and the spin is less.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:52 PM

View Postjudgemartin, on 02 March 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

The X100 is equivalent to an S300 except for a higher flex point. The higher flex point may give you better accuracy.  Some people assume the X range takes up where the S range stops.  That is not correct, there is an overlap.  S300 = X100, S400 = X200, etc.

I did not know this -- thank you!

Edited by Qwiklap, 02 March 2018 - 01:52 PM.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:57 PM

View PostQwiklap, on 02 March 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

View Postjudgemartin, on 02 March 2018 - 01:51 PM, said:

The X100 is equivalent to an S300 except for a higher flex point. The higher flex point may give you better accuracy.  Some people assume the X range takes up where the S range stops.  That is not correct, there is an overlap.  S300 = X100, S400 = X200, etc.

I did not know this -- thank you!


You can see this in the graphic below.  The x100 has a shorter tip section

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:58 PM

The weight of the shafts and bend profile probably has more effect than the stated flex.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 02:28 PM

I find I have better dispersion with heavier shafts/clubs, but they don't always feel right to me.  But, you have to play what works.  If the X100 is working for you, then stick with it, don't pay attention to what the label says as not all shafts are the same in each flex.  As long as you like the feel and weight, play em!

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:06 PM

View Postmackepa, on 02 March 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

Golf is funny like that. I'm around 107mph with a driver and for kicks I was hitting a couple ladies flex drivers on the range one day and I was surprised how good they felt. I liked the shorter, lighter club. I was spinning the shots to the moon but it felt so smooth.
I bought a set of cobra baffler blades with ladies graphite in them for my girlfriend. At the range I was hitting the 7iron, which felt like it was the length of a PW, and dropping dimes on the 150 flag. Only about 10 yards short of my normal 7i, but being that much easier to hit due to raw length and added loft, maybe I should be playing a full set of ladies' baffler blades
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:32 PM

FWIW, I am about same speed as you with the same story.  Mizuno Optimizer puts me in X100 AMT (and PX LZ 6.0 and PX 6.0).  I have had S300 AMT, and based on that experience (felt good but spinny), I would say the X100 AMT may be a fit.  My guess is you have an average to above average tempo and a moderately late release - similar to me. The tempo and release, at our speeds, seems to be what makes the Optimizer suggest X100 AMT even though it seems like too much shaft.  Again, FWIW.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:35 PM

View PostGalanga, on 02 March 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

FWIW, I am about same speed as you with the same story.  Mizuno Optimizer puts me in X100 AMT (and PX LZ 6.0 and PX 6.0).  I have had S300 AMT, and based on that experience (felt good but spinny), I would say the X100 AMT may be a fit.  My guess is you have an average to above average tempo and a moderately late release - similar to me. The tempo and release, at our speeds, seems to be what makes the Optimizer suggest X100 AMT even though it seems like too much shaft.  Again, FWIW.

Very interesting and helpful.  Although I have always been told I was a smooth tempo -- but I have been making a lot of changes (improvements) to my swing.
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Posted 03 March 2018 - 12:20 AM

View PostQwiklap, on 02 March 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

View PostGalanga, on 02 March 2018 - 03:32 PM, said:

FWIW, I am about same speed as you with the same story.  Mizuno Optimizer puts me in X100 AMT (and PX LZ 6.0 and PX 6.0).  I have had S300 AMT, and based on that experience (felt good but spinny), I would say the X100 AMT may be a fit.  My guess is you have an average to above average tempo and a moderately late release - similar to me. The tempo and release, at our speeds, seems to be what makes the Optimizer suggest X100 AMT even though it seems like too much shaft.  Again, FWIW.

Very interesting and helpful.  Although I have always been told I was a smooth tempo -- but I have been making a lot of changes (improvements) to my swing.

I have tried PX LZ 6.0 and like it much better than PX LZ 5.5 for me - I could definitely go with PX LZ 6.0 - so, that part of recommendation works for me,  PX 6.0 is too much effort for me, so, I would go PX 5.5 which I am in my backup irons based on experience and advice from fitter I trust.  I am almost certain that X100 AMT would work well for me as well based on experience with S300 AMT.  Tidbits from a guy with your speed and what seems like similar swing characteristics.
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Posted 04 March 2018 - 07:14 PM

I have to admit this thread caught my attention as I'm trying to find my favorite shaft. I've had fitting over the last 3-4 years and I've ended up in KBS S+ (not a fan), Project X 6.0 (would wear out toward the end golf the round), and the 3rd time around I ended up in the Project X 5.5 (mainly bc I wouldn't do 6.0 again but it was high hook city with the 5.5)

Now, every time I stop by a golf shop I hit the X100 and they are right down the middle. Great feeling but about 5 yards short of normal which doesn't concern me. I know the x100 are on the heavy side but, what's strange is no fitter has ever gave me one to try. This, my hesitation to go that route. Especially because 2 of the 3 fitters are very respected.

I currently have the DG 120 S400's straight in and have only had one range session. 50/50 on them right now. I do have a set of Project X LZ 6.0's on the way that I excited about.

I hope no one sees this as thread jacking but I thought I would share since some of the shafts I'm trying have been discussed. Plus, I've never tried AMT's but after reading the OP's post I'm tempted too.

Two question then I'll stop rambling, are the AMT X100's designed for the average joe?

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 05:50 AM

Update -- so I shafted the 6i with the Steelfiber i95 stiff and did some testing on the SkyTrak.  I was able to get about 2-3 mph more ball speed and an additional 15 ft of peak height (getting into the 90 to 95 ft range) -- additional carry and distance of of course as well.  Dispersion was still tight.

I also took the X100s out on course and played well with them --  and definitely found a flatter, lower flight path.  It worked yesterday it was cold and windy, and the greens were soft.  But in peak summer -- the balls would never hold a firm green as flat as they were.  And our course plays firm and fast.

So I am moving on to the Steelfiber i95s.  But the X100 experiment definitely has taught me that strong, stiff steel shafts are playable for me.  But I might want to find ones that are a touch higher launching.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 05:54 AM

View PostCaseyDan, on 04 March 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:


Two question then I'll stop rambling, are the AMT X100's designed for the average joe?

To answer your question - in my opinion, no.  When I got them on course -- they were straight, but too low/flat in trajectory.  I think if I were to play steel -- I would want to find a similar stiffness in a higher launching profile.
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Posted 05 March 2018 - 02:50 PM

View PostQwiklap, on 05 March 2018 - 05:50 AM, said:

Update -- so I shafted the 6i with the Steelfiber i95 stiff and did some testing on the SkyTrak.  I was able to get about 2-3 mph more ball speed and an additional 15 ft of peak height (getting into the 90 to 95 ft range) -- additional carry and distance of of course as well.  Dispersion was still tight.

I also took the X100s out on course and played well with them --  and definitely found a flatter, lower flight path.  It worked yesterday it was cold and windy, and the greens were soft.  But in peak summer -- the balls would never hold a firm green as flat as they were.  And our course plays firm and fast.

So I am moving on to the Steelfiber i95s.  But the X100 experiment definitely has taught me that strong, stiff steel shafts are playable for me.  But I might want to find ones that are a touch higher launching.

Good luck to everyone.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 02:48 PM

View PostCaseyDan, on 04 March 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

I have to admit this thread caught my attention as I'm trying to find my favorite shaft. I've had fitting over the last 3-4 years and I've ended up in KBS S+ (not a fan), Project X 6.0 (would wear out toward the end golf the round), and the 3rd time around I ended up in the Project X 5.5 (mainly bc I wouldn't do 6.0 again but it was high hook city with the 5.5)

Now, every time I stop by a golf shop I hit the X100 and they are right down the middle. Great feeling but about 5 yards short of normal which doesn't concern me. I know the x100 are on the heavy side but, what's strange is no fitter has ever gave me one to try. This, my hesitation to go that route. Especially because 2 of the 3 fitters are very respected.

I currently have the DG 120 S400's straight in and have only had one range session. 50/50 on them right now. I do have a set of Project X LZ 6.0's on the way that I excited about.

I hope no one sees this as thread jacking but I thought I would share since some of the shafts I'm trying have been discussed. Plus, I've never tried AMT's but after reading the OP's post I'm tempted too.

Two question then I'll stop rambling, are the AMT X100's designed for the average joe?

I'm interested in the results of your new DG 120's.  I was thinking about putting the 115's in my Mizunos.  What's your take?  I LOVE the feel of Dynamic Gold and the ability to flight the ball at will.  The lighter DG feels great but the proof is on the course.  Personally, I think the AMT is nonsense.  Different shafts, splits sets.  Hit it, find it, and hit it again!

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 03:43 PM

I recently had a fitting and i too have always been S300 or PX 6.0 and i got fitted into an X100 as one of my best options but this was a blind test as my fitter insisted i didnt know what i was trying and these felt great to me. So goes to show what can work for you as normally i would have dismissed this shaft without swinging it.


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 11:32 PM

View PostHennyBogan67, on 13 March 2018 - 02:48 PM, said:

View PostCaseyDan, on 04 March 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

I have to admit this thread caught my attention as I'm trying to find my favorite shaft. I've had fitting over the last 3-4 years and I've ended up in KBS S+ (not a fan), Project X 6.0 (would wear out toward the end golf the round), and the 3rd time around I ended up in the Project X 5.5 (mainly bc I wouldn't do 6.0 again but it was high hook city with the 5.5)

Now, every time I stop by a golf shop I hit the X100 and they are right down the middle. Great feeling but about 5 yards short of normal which doesn't concern me. I know the x100 are on the heavy side but, what's strange is no fitter has ever gave me one to try. This, my hesitation to go that route. Especially because 2 of the 3 fitters are very respected.

I currently have the DG 120 S400's straight in and have only had one range session. 50/50 on them right now. I do have a set of Project X LZ 6.0's on the way that I excited about.

I hope no one sees this as thread jacking but I thought I would share since some of the shafts I'm trying have been discussed. Plus, I've never tried AMT's but after reading the OP's post I'm tempted too.

Two question then I'll stop rambling, are the AMT X100's designed for the average joe?

I'm interested in the results of your new DG 120's.  I was thinking about putting the 115's in my Mizunos.  What's your take?  I LOVE the feel of Dynamic Gold and the ability to flight the ball at will.  The lighter DG feels great but the proof is on the course.  Personally, I think the AMT is nonsense.  Different shafts, splits sets.  Hit it, find it, and hit it again!

Funny you should ask. I Went to the PGA SS as I wanted to test them more with numbers. I've had two range sessions with them so it has been hard to know exact distances. Unfortunately no rounds yet so take this with a grain of salt. I debated between the DG 120's and PX LZ 6.0. I didn't get to test the 120's before buying them so when I went this morning I wanted to test them vs everything else.

With that said, I'm not changing shafts. The dispersion with these shafts is phenomenal. Very stable with a nice kick. They can handle going all out, where as I felt Nippon and PX LZ would turn into a hard draw/pull. I even put these in my wedges and they are really good as well. The weight is perfect for those that 115-120 range.  Overall I am very glad I went with the DG 120's.

To me, DG nailed it with these but I can not figure out why they aren't getting more buzz. I know they will soon. Most likely when they become a stock shaft.

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