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Putter lofts and roll

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#1 J_Smooth

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 11:29 PM

So I recently switched my putter to a Scotty Cameron California Sonoma and immediately I noticed how much of the face of the putter I could see at address. After a few rounds I noticed that sometimes when I putted I could get some sort of backspin or skid causing the putt to often go off line especially on downhill breaking putts. Through my "online investigation" it seems that there is no real standard for the amount of loft on a putter that is consistent from brand to brand. I noticed lofts ranging from 2* to as much as 6*. since i'm not a huge fan of using a significant forward press when I putt I went to my club work guy and had him check the loft and my scotty was set at nearly 4.5* so I had him deloft it to just below 3* and i've only played two rounds since then but I feel like the ball is rolling much better off the face and my distance and speed control has improved. When I looked to see what a tour average loft on a putter was it seemed like they play between 3*-4*. I didn't see any threads about putter loft on here so im starting one to see what people have to say. Does loft come more into play with deep milled face putters or putters with face inserts or mallet putters??? what do you guys have your putter lofts set at? what are some consequences of too little loft on a putter? how does your putting technique (forward press) affect loft and essentially change the roll off the clubface? I'm not debating what kind of putter rolls a putt better just how loft comes into play and anyone's experiences experimenting with putter loft.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 06:59 AM

Left eye dominant, so I have the ball closer to my left foot, therefore I use/need 2* of loft.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:28 AM

View PostGolf64, on 02 March 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

Left eye dominant, so I have the ball closer to my left foot, therefore I use/need 2* of loft.

Same here on all three of my putters. I have zero forward press in my putting stroke. This setup is real nice for fast greens, but tricky on the shaggy slower greens.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:51 AM

I add loft to my putters to 4.5*. I don't have a lot of forward press, just a tiny bit to start the stroke, but apparently I de-loft at impact.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:56 AM

Forgot to say, too little loft starts the ball down in the green and then pops up. Difficult to get any sort of consistent distance control like that.


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Posted 04 March 2018 - 01:08 AM

I think it's all about producing an effort-to-distance ratio that matches up with a golfer's natural tempo (i.e., the rate of speed or motion). Choosing a weight with which you can control the tempo and range of motion is one aspect of that effort-to-distance ratio; where and how you comfortably contact the ball is where loft comes in. So for me it comes down to dynamic loft at impact, not static loft at address: preference for the ball in the back, middle or forward of the stance; preference for degree of shaft lean; preference for an ascending, descending or level putter head into impact; where I want to contact the ball; all add or subtract from static loft leaving me, ideally, with an effort-to-distance ratio that matches my natural tempo.

My mallet putter has 3* of loft (no grooves) and I play the ball just forward in my stance; I lean the shaft forward 3 to 4* at address and maintain that lean during the stroke. The putter rises about 1* into impact and the impact point is just below center, maybe 1* below center (and passing through the ball 1* above center were the ball a hologram), imparting 1 or 2* of dynamic loft to the ball.

I don't know if loft comes into play with deep milled faces, other than to say YES putters with C groove technology angled their grooves 20* up to get the ball rolling sooner. I have a semi-mallet and a blade with deep milling but the softer sound/feel throws off my tempo.

I've never noticed hard inserts like Odyssey's Stronomic insert affecting loft but I haven't used one in years. I think loft can come into play with mallets, depending on their weight distribution vs what you are used to - for example, the early versions (around 2005) of Cameron's Futura had 75% of the weight in their rear horseshoe which would angle the face slightly upward into impact; I say slightly because, unless you hovered it, you'd have to angle the shaft forward to raise the horseshoe off the ground before starting the backswing and that reduced the effect of so much weight in the back.

For me, less loft equates with a straighter putt. On faster greens I use a light semi-mallet 4* loft with a full shaft offset, play the ball back in my stance and have a downward stroke into impact; dynamic loft nets out about the same 1 to 2* but I have the sensation of pulling the ball forward rather than pushing it and the downward-ness of the stroke makes it easier to maintain a straight path.
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Posted 04 March 2018 - 08:15 AM

My putter has 2 degrees of loft, and the Blast sensor says I add 1 degree at impact on average, resulting in dynamic loft of 3 degrees.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 06:02 PM

Phil Mickelson is pretty adamant about the effective loft being 4* plus or minus half a degree but I also think he has a very unique setup by playing off the front foot but then counteracting with a forward press. I agree with Phil that a putt needs to have an ascending blow like a driver instead of an iron. I've played 3 rounds since I had my loft adjusted down to 3* and the rounds are as follows 29, 31 and 25 putts per round. The last round sounds good but I missed a lot of greens and had more 1 putts because of chip shots. Anyways I know adjusting a putters loft 1 degree isn't going to instantly drop my score 5 strokes but maybe its just that mental edge to keep three putts off the round or the confidence to go after those 15 ft birdie putts instead of safely rolling up to the hole for a tap in par.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 09:22 PM

Control elevates confidence to a place where it disappears and it's just who you are and what you do. You might also consider getting a duplicate putter if you feel the need for future tweaks. Good luck!
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Posted 05 March 2018 - 09:34 PM

my putts loft is less than 0 degrees.  bobby grace technology gets the ball rolling

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 10:37 AM

2* at most, hate sing the face, also play the ball up in the stance to hit on the upswing (samm lab confirmed)
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Posted 07 March 2018 - 11:12 AM

View Postnaws-golfer, on 07 March 2018 - 10:37 AM, said:

2* at most, hate sing the face, also play the ball up in the stance to hit on the upswing (samm lab confirmed)

samesies. play the ball closer to my left foot and hit it ever so slightly on the up. playing at 2* and getting a pretty smooth roll

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:59 PM

2 for me. Nice choice on the new flatstick OP :)
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Posted 07 March 2018 - 06:09 PM

Youíve gotta match it up with your stroke.  Shaft lean, stroke rise...itís all about how they interact to create the best ball roll.
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Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:36 PM

so idk if anyone still reads this thread or if anyone cares but for a quick update I changed putters again. Never Compromise Connoisseur culebra and its 35.25" and yes i did that on purpose (I'm trying to stand taller over my putts, think rickie fowler putting technique or even 2015 Tiger). BUT i'm still at 2.75* where I can hardly see the face. I've taken it out for about 5 rounds (which is only like a week and a half for me, i work at a golf course) and let me tell you what. I forgot how good it feels to drain 30-40 foot putts. Not that im making them all the time but in the past 10 months they have been extremely rare. In the past week however i'm pretty sure ive made more than i did in those 10 months. with the taller stance im getting a better shoulder rocking and a little less arms crossing the body. im seeing my line better and the roll and speed with the loft is very controllable which is #1 in my opinion. anyways i'm going to force myself to try this putter at least through October unless God forbid i get the yips with it. If anyone is near atlanta and wants to play send me a message. good luck and score well.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:48 AM

View PostRedWings1, on 02 March 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

View PostGolf64, on 02 March 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

Left eye dominant, so I have the ball closer to my left foot, therefore I use/need 2* of loft.

Same here on all three of my putters. I have zero forward press in my putting stroke. This setup is real nice for fast greens, but tricky on the shaggy slower greens.

I'm a lefty and right eye dominant. Best rolling putter for me is a Nike Method Midnight with Bettinardi in second place and Edel with pixl face in third.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:36 AM

If I remember right, Cameron says that 4 deg or so is optimal.  If you forward press he would say it needs to be increased to compensate for the delofting caused by the press.  Loft gets the ball rolling.  Too much pops it up, not enough pushes it into the ground.  But ultimately (like everything else in this game) whatever works for you is the best.  If you like 2 degrees, awesome.  If you want to putt with your pitching wedge, whatever man.  You do you.  As long as the ball ends up in the hole, right?

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