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Any experience going from Steelfiber 110s to 95s?


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#1 KMeloney

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 03:25 PM

Hey all,

I'm entering into my 3rd year with my 714 AP2s with Steelfiber 110s, and I wonder if I might benefit from a lighter shaft weight. (Heck, I might even be better off with an R flex, too.)

I'm 47, finished the season at 5.5, and need graphite for my elbows (golfer's elbow that's been kept at bay with the Steelfibers). I'm thin and athletic. But I think these 110s may feel a bit boardy to me -- and it doesn't help that I can be a 1/2-full iron shorter than playing partners, despite being even or past many with my driver/3-wood.

I remember the fitter saying to me that he wouldn't consider the 95s for me. But, geez, if Matt Kucher doesn't overpower them, then.. Who the heck am I?

Anyone have an insight going from 110s to 95s? Any improvements in dispersion, feel, distance, or anything else? Any drawbacks?

Truth be told, I don't WANT to switch up my irons (that is, I don't want to tinker for the sake of it). But, if I'm missing something here, and it's worth looking into, I'd love to hear about it.

Edited by KMeloney, 26 February 2018 - 03:48 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2018 - 03:33 PM

From what I've just been informed of, the steel fibers play stiff to flex. If I was to go from steel S flex, people here recommended I play R flex in graphite. You may not be getting enough height and launch due on the ball due to too stiff of a profile, causing distance loss. I swing my 7i around 90mph and I'd probably be a candidate for R flex or maaaaybe 2x SS on an S flex.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 03:40 PM

The 95s don't feel that light.  I'm about 98-100mph driver CHS with very high ball flight with every club, and I think I actually play better with the regular flex.  i95 R; weird, whooda thunk it?

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 04:49 PM

I was fitted for steelfiber shafts in my 716 AP2 due to elbow issues as well. The two that gave me the best numbers were 110x and 95s. I ended up with the 95 stiff hardsteped once. I came from the kbs tour v 110 stiff. I was worried about the weight, but now I am glad I went with the 95s. Much better control va the kbs tour v that I came from. I did noticed that I cant work the ball as well with these shafts. The ball just wants to stay straight. My swing speed is around 98 with driver.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 06:36 PM

What swing weight are you achieving to those who have the AP2? My gut is telling me it is pretty lightweight. I’m looking to make the switch, but like something in the D3 range.


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Posted 26 February 2018 - 06:50 PM

The 110's are high balance point and the 95's are low.  I have no proof of this but I think the basic shaft from a structural standpoint is the same but Aerotech just piled on extra nonconsequential material to increase overall shaft weight.  Titleist's shaft info shows the stiffness between the two is the same too so that's further evidence.

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 04:28 AM

View PostNessism, on 26 February 2018 - 06:50 PM, said:

The 110's are high balance point and the 95's are low.  I have no proof of this but I think the basic shaft from a structural standpoint is the same but Aerotech just piled on extra nonconsensual material to increase overall shaft weight.  Titleist's shaft info shows the stiffness between the two is the same too so that's further evidence.

Well, the 95's are a little high - maybe 1 SW pt off from something like the recoils.   But yes they are not nearly as high a balance point as the i110's. (and from what I've heard the i125's as well).

The stiffness isn't really that different between the i95's and the i110's.  The butt is actually stiffer in the i95's vs the i110's - but the mid section is a bit softer then the i110's, tip sections are very close.  To me the i95's felt a little softer but not by much, and someone with a smoother transition might not notice any difference.     So if the i110's in stiff are too stout, then the first thing I'd recommend trying is going down to a reg flex.    Choose between the i95's and i110's based on how the weight felt (not the stiffness).

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 07:15 AM

I INITIALLY went the other way, meaning from 95s to 110s and that experiment lasted about 2 weeks before I switched back to the 95s. Too boardy, less feel, less flex, etc. All that being said, I think Steelfibers shafts are the best shafts out there. Been using them for about 13+ years now. I switched to them initially for elbow problems as well.

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 10:35 AM

For me the 110 X-Stiff played more like the 95 Stiff. I would give those a try before you purchase.
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Posted 27 February 2018 - 03:07 PM

I had the 110cw on Mizuno MP18SC. Too heavy and Stiff for me.
I use stiff flex  on driver and hybrids and my swing speed is aprox. 105 on the driver

I replaced the shafts to i95 Regular last week. Im very happy. I can feel the shaft working. Strait flight.


From what I researched SFs are designed for low launch, with the 95 R in having medium-high launch.

PS: I did bought one 95 shaft first. For the 6i and tested for a couple of weeks. Then I pulled the trigger on the whole set.
If R wouldnt have worked I was prepared to buy a Stiff shaft to also try.

Edited by RodC, 27 February 2018 - 03:09 PM.

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 03:13 PM

View PostSwisstrader98, on 27 February 2018 - 07:15 AM, said:

I INITIALLY went the other way, meaning from 95’s to 110’s and that experiment lasted about 2 weeks before I switched back to the 95’s. Too boardy, less feel, less flex, etc. All that being said, I think Steelfibers shafts are the best shafts out there. Been using them for about 13+ years now. I switched to them initially for elbow problems as well.

I agree with this on 110’s: Too boardy, less feel, less flex, etc.
At least for me.
It’s also impotant to mention that I was coming from 88HlL shafts on M2... too much weight difference.
Plus I had some counterbalance, aprox. 10-12 grams TourLock on the 110s, because  +3/4” length made them D5 SW
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Posted 27 February 2018 - 03:47 PM

This is great info, folks. I really appreciate it.

So, if I was otherwise used to DG 300s before these SF 110s, then, based on what I'm reading, I might be more unhappy with the flex profile of the 110s than the weight. Sounds like whereas the 110s might just add weight to an already-quite-stiff shaft, going to 95s in the same stiffness probably won't make matters much better...

At this point if anyone's able to weigh in on going to R from S in the same 110s, I'd love to hear about it.

Keep the experiences coming, please!

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 03:48 PM

View PostPekeface68, on 26 February 2018 - 06:36 PM, said:

What swing weight are you achieving to those who have the AP2? My gut is telling me it is pretty lightweight. I’m looking to make the switch, but like something in the D3 range.

I don't recall exactly, but do remember that weight needed to be added to the heads... I think...

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 03:50 PM

View PostRodC, on 27 February 2018 - 03:07 PM, said:

I had the 110cw on Mizuno MP18SC. Too heavy and Stiff for me.
I use stiff flex  on driver and hybrids and my swing speed is aprox. 105 on the driver

I replaced the shafts to i95 Regular last week. I'm very happy. I can feel the shaft working. Strait flight.


From what I researched SF's are designed for low launch, with the 95 R in having medium-high launch.

PS: I did bought one 95 shaft first. For the 6i and tested for a couple of weeks. Then I pulled the trigger on the whole set.
If R wouldn't have worked I was prepared to buy a Stiff shaft to also try.

Looks like my last couple of replies were being made while you were replying... Thanks for this input.

Really sounds like an R flex -- and maybe still in the 110 weight -- might be ideal for me.

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 04:02 PM

I know you're asking about SteelFibers but you might want to look into the Fujikura Pro 95 Tour Spec iron shafts.  Played x100 most of my golf life but issues with joint soreness after rounds got me searching for alternative shafts.  Gave a variety of lighter Modus3 shafts a try, eventually going to SteelFibers i110, then i95.  The Modus felt good but still had soreness.  The SteelFibers were promising but felt boardy to me even in an s-flex.  Finally gave the Pro 95 a try after getting some feedback that these would play like a softer x100.  Ended up with the Tour Spec x-flex soft-stepped 1x and they're just perfect for me.  No soreness whatsoever after 2 rounds now and loving the feel and playability these graphite shafts give me.


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 04:20 AM

View PostKMeloney, on 27 February 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

So, if I was otherwise used to DG 300s before these SF 110s, then, based on what I'm reading, I might be more unhappy with the flex profile of the 110s than the weight.

I'd be careful about such generalizations. With the i110's vs the DG s300's,  the tip and mid sections are a bit stiffer in the i110's but the butt section is actually softer.   And everyone can have different sensitivities to the different parts of the shaft.  And just because someone "is used to playing s300's" doesn't really mean they were necessarily a good fit.  Many are playing that shaft because it happened to be the stock shaft, not because they were properly fit into it.   There actually have been many who have had good success going from DG s300 to SF i110 stiff.

View PostKMeloney, on 27 February 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

Sounds like whereas the 110s might just add weight to an already-quite-stiff shaft, going to 95s in the same stiffness probably won't make matters much better...

IF the stiffness really was the issue, probably. Just realize when it comes to feel,  it's easy (and common) for there to be some confusion or fuzzyness between weight and stiffness as the true source of the problem.

Edited by Stuart G., 28 February 2018 - 07:27 AM.


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 07:12 AM

When I switched to Steelfiber some 6 years ago, coming from just over 25yrs of DG's, I tested both i95 S and i110 S. Whilst I didn't really feel sensitive to the weight difference between the two I did feel that the i95's felt smoother and easier to load. Numbers were pretty similar but the 95's just felt better and I've never looked at another iron shaft since.
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 10:39 AM

Great input!

Stuart -- I'm sure you're advice is sound. If I were to look into a different version of the SteelFibers, I'd test out the 95 S, 95 R, and 110 R. I wouldn't just jump into a re-shafting without getting data first.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 06:26 PM

https://aerotechgolf...-Spec-Sheet.pdf

According to the specs. there is some differences on torque between i95cw and i110cw  Stiff and Regular´s. What I try to say is that they are 4 different shafts, not just a change on weight.


Also, this may be useful to compare between the different shafts. Just as a reference.
There are not i110's

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:43 AM

20-25+ years ago, it might have been different but now  Torque is largely a meaningless and not very helpful spec.   Torque might have a small influence on the feel for some - but at impact only, not really during the swing for irons and the vast majority of players.  And generally only with respect to the feel of off center hits (and amount of feedback you might get for those).

Edited by Stuart G., 01 March 2018 - 04:48 AM.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 08:06 AM

I've been playing the 110cw stiff for about 3 years now. They are great shafts but I feel like I have trouble loading them, or at least I don't feel it. Love the flight, very similar to DG s300 for me. But, I think they are a bit too stiff for my 80-82 mph swing with a 6 iron. I do like the 105-110 weight range generally for my swing.
I have only hit the 95's in stiff a few times, but they seem to have a different balance to them. Flight was definitely high than the 110s to my eye.
I do see a lot of SF's on both the Champ tour and the LPGA. Seems most of the men are using the 95's.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 12:43 PM

View PostRainShadow, on 01 March 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

I've been playing the 110cw stiff for about 3 years now. They are great shafts but I feel like I have trouble loading them, or at least I don't feel it. Love the flight, very similar to DG s300 for me. But, I think they are a bit too stiff for my 80-82 mph swing with a 6 iron. I do like the 105-110 weight range generally for my swing.
I have only hit the 95's in stiff a few times, but they seem to have a different balance to them. Flight was definitely high than the 110s to my eye.
I do see a lot of SF's on both the Champ tour and the LPGA. Seems most of the men are using the 95's.

That's a good assessment of how I feel about the 110s. What I don't recall is my swing speed, but my overall sentiments (regarding feeling like I'm loading the shaft, etc.) are the same.

If the 95s do, in fact, launch the ball higher, then I don't think they'd be a good match for my already-high ball flight. (Granted, I'm sure I'm doing some flipping and adding loft to help produce a high ball flight, but maybe some of that is do to the effort I feel like I need to put into these shafts...

RodC -- Thanks for the link to the charts.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 12:06 AM

Good info here. I have a different take on the topic. I'm getting ready to make the move to Steelfiber from the Ping TFC419 stiff shafts I've been using for a couple of years. I went to graphite from steel as I'm getting older, but a couple of recent range sessions with my pro has him recommending me getting a firmer shaft. The Ping shafts are 86g so I'm thinking the i95 will be a better choice than the i110 as I read you shouldn't make too big of a change in shaft weight when changing.

I still need stiff due to club head speed, but I'm hoping the Steelfiber dispersion will be a little tighter.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 02:11 PM

View PostRSinSG, on 13 March 2018 - 12:06 AM, said:

Good info here. I have a different take on the topic. I'm getting ready to make the move to Steelfiber from the Ping TFC419 stiff shafts I've been using for a couple of years. I went to graphite from steel as I'm getting older, but a couple of recent range sessions with my pro has him recommending me getting a firmer shaft. The Ping shafts are 86g so I'm thinking the i95 will be a better choice than the i110 as I read you shouldn't make too big of a change in shaft weight when changing.

I still need stiff due to club head speed, but I'm hoping the Steelfiber dispersion will be a little tighter.

Does my logic sound reasonable?

Yes, it does.

Anyhow, I recommend you test the i95 R and Stiff .... I have a +/- 105 driver ss and went with the 95 R's ... I'm a happy golfer.


Their suggested speed chart:
https://aerotechgolf...Speed-Chart.pdf

For me its: when in doubt between stiff or R, go with the softer one

Edited by RodC, 13 March 2018 - 02:13 PM.

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 09:58 PM

Thanks for the info. I have a similar SS. My average total drive (GameGolf) is 263 which is right in the 100-105 range. Prior to the Ping graphite clubs I was using an x-flex steel shaft in Mizunos, so it was a big change. When the TM P790s were released I hit them on a simulator and was killing the 6 iron. I even had them dial the sim back to sea level - normal conditions and was hitting considerably farther than my Ping. I brought my Ping in to do a side-by-side and it was in fact a much longer club for me. I figure that is in part due to the steel shaft. I don't want to go back to steel as it was getting tough on my joints thus I'm looking at Steelfiber.

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