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Posted 25 February 2018 - 08:48 PM

https://www.fsga.org...?boolQual=False

These are the results from this weekends 16-18 year old age group playing an over 7,000 yard course with a rating of 73.4.  33 kids shot par or better for 36 holes.

These kids are good.


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 09:45 PM

DJ World Junior Golf Championship Results:

Boys (~7,000 yards - nobody under par)

Girls (~6,000 yards - nobody under par)

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 10:07 PM

View Postleezer99, on 25 February 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

DJ World Junior Golf Championship Results:

Boys (~7,000 yards - nobody under par)

Girls (~6,000 yards - nobody under par)

And?  Can easily trick up a golf course with hole locations.  Still doesnít take away from how good these juniors are.  That DJ event has a pretty good field but missing a ton of the top ranked players in this area, a good number of which played in the event I posted.

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 11:35 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 25 February 2018 - 10:07 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 25 February 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

DJ World Junior Golf Championship Results:

Boys (~7,000 yards - nobody under par)

Girls (~6,000 yards - nobody under par)

And?  Can easily trick up a golf course with hole locations.  Still doesn’t take away from how good these juniors are.  That DJ event has a pretty good field but missing a ton of the top ranked players in this area, a good number of which played in the event I posted.
I was just saying that scores aren't as relevant as you made them seem. TPC Myrtle Beach has a 74 rating / 143 slope. Both events had great players.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 12:00 AM

View Postleezer99, on 25 February 2018 - 11:35 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 25 February 2018 - 10:07 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 25 February 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

DJ World Junior Golf Championship Results:

Boys (~7,000 yards - nobody under par)

Girls (~6,000 yards - nobody under par)

And?  Can easily trick up a golf course with hole locations.  Still doesnít take away from how good these juniors are.  That DJ event has a pretty good field but missing a ton of the top ranked players in this area, a good number of which played in the event I posted.
I was just saying that scores aren't as relevant as you made them seem. TPC Myrtle Beach has a 74 rating / 143 slope. Both events had great players.

The scores are very relevant imo.  The top 300 juniors in the country all average under the course rating and shoot under par very frequently.   The point of my post was to show that if you want to be a top junior you better be able to shoot under par for multiple day events from 7,000+ yards.  You have to be a tournament +1 just to crack the top 1000 on JGS.


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Posted 26 February 2018 - 07:59 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 26 February 2018 - 12:00 AM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 25 February 2018 - 11:35 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 25 February 2018 - 10:07 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 25 February 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

DJ World Junior Golf Championship Results:

Boys (~7,000 yards - nobody under par)

Girls (~6,000 yards - nobody under par)

And?  Can easily trick up a golf course with hole locations.  Still doesn't take away from how good these juniors are.  That DJ event has a pretty good field but missing a ton of the top ranked players in this area, a good number of which played in the event I posted.
I was just saying that scores aren't as relevant as you made them seem. TPC Myrtle Beach has a 74 rating / 143 slope. Both events had great players.

The scores are very relevant imo.  The top 300 juniors in the country all average under the course rating and shoot under par very frequently.   The point of my post was to show that if you want to be a top junior you better be able to shoot under par for multiple day events from 7,000+ yards.  You have to be a tournament +1 just to crack the top 1000 on JGS.

Pretty amazing how many great young juniors there are these days.

iteach - do you get the sense that the very best players are getting a lot better (i.e. much lower scores needed to win), or is it just a broadening of depth?

So many young kids are getting expert instruction, the best equipment and quality tournament playing opportunities at such a young age.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 09:11 AM

View PostCTgolf, on 26 February 2018 - 07:59 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 26 February 2018 - 12:00 AM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 25 February 2018 - 11:35 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 25 February 2018 - 10:07 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 25 February 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

DJ World Junior Golf Championship Results:

Boys (~7,000 yards - nobody under par)

Girls (~6,000 yards - nobody under par)

And?  Can easily trick up a golf course with hole locations.  Still doesn't take away from how good these juniors are.  That DJ event has a pretty good field but missing a ton of the top ranked players in this area, a good number of which played in the event I posted.
I was just saying that scores aren't as relevant as you made them seem. TPC Myrtle Beach has a 74 rating / 143 slope. Both events had great players.

The scores are very relevant imo.  The top 300 juniors in the country all average under the course rating and shoot under par very frequently.   The point of my post was to show that if you want to be a top junior you better be able to shoot under par for multiple day events from 7,000+ yards.  You have to be a tournament +1 just to crack the top 1000 on JGS.

Pretty amazing how many great young juniors there are these days.

iteach - do you get the sense that the very best players are getting a lot better (i.e. much lower scores needed to win), or is it just a broadening of depth?

So many young kids are getting expert instruction, the best equipment and quality tournament playing opportunities at such a young age.

The top players aren’t really any better.  It’s the depth that is changing.  The talent level that is now in D3 and D2 golf at the higher level is incredible compared to just 10 years ago.   I have 2 top 500 juniors who have struggled to find schools interested.  The one got a scholarship to a mid major D1 program because I know the coach and reached out.  The other still doesn’t have a place to play and will likely end up at a mid level D2 school.  It’s so competitive that you have to be proactive and borderline aggressive, even if you’re a really good player. They dragged their feet a bit and are paying for it.  10 years ago they could have played at 3-5 D1 schools in Florida alone.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 12:25 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 25 February 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

https://www.fsga.org...?boolQual=False

These are the results from this weekends 16-18 year old age group playing an over 7,000 yard course with a rating of 73.4.  33 kids shot par or better for 36 holes.

These kids are good.

They are indeed good but I thought I recognized the name of the winner and sure enough he played with my son a few months ago where he shot 78 on a much shorter course. I've also followed Jason Langer round last year when he shot in the 80s. Breaking par on any course is of course a great achievement but I've learned to be suspicious of just reading scores on a page. Well done to all involved but I wonder what the set up was like.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 12:45 PM

View PostSling, on 26 February 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 25 February 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

https://www.fsga.org...?boolQual=False

These are the results from this weekends 16-18 year old age group playing an over 7,000 yard course with a rating of 73.4.  33 kids shot par or better for 36 holes.

These kids are good.

They are indeed good but I thought I recognized the name of the winner and sure enough he played with my son a few months ago where he shot 78 on a much shorter course. I've also followed Jason Langer round last year when he shot in the 80s. Breaking par on any course is of course a great achievement but I've learned to be suspicious of just reading scores on a page. Well done to all involved but I wonder what the set up was like.

The winner beat multiple players ranked in the top 100.  The winner averages almost a full stroke under the course rating which would make him a tournament +3 or so.  Everyone has high rounds and his stats clearly show that the 78 was an outlier.  Course was fairly wide open off the tee but plenty of kids who are top 300 in the world struggled and finished down at the bottom of the leaderboard.  The entire point was that the depth is getting massive and any event almost any kid could win.  

Jason Duff shot 88/84 in an event at the end of last year, it happens.   He’s ranked 124th in Rolex AJGA rankings and 202nd in Golfweek’s ranking (22nd overall in his class) and regularly shoots under par like he did in the above event.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 01:17 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 26 February 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

View PostSling, on 26 February 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 25 February 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

https://www.fsga.org...?boolQual=False

These are the results from this weekends 16-18 year old age group playing an over 7,000 yard course with a rating of 73.4.  33 kids shot par or better for 36 holes.

These kids are good.

They are indeed good but I thought I recognized the name of the winner and sure enough he played with my son a few months ago where he shot 78 on a much shorter course. I've also followed Jason Langer round last year when he shot in the 80s. Breaking par on any course is of course a great achievement but I've learned to be suspicious of just reading scores on a page. Well done to all involved but I wonder what the set up was like.

The winner beat multiple players ranked in the top 100.  The winner averages almost a full stroke under the course rating which would make him a tournament +3 or so.  Everyone has high rounds and his stats clearly show that the 78 was an outlier.  Course was fairly wide open off the tee but plenty of kids who are top 300 in the world struggled and finished down at the bottom of the leaderboard.  The entire point was that the depth is getting massive and any event almost any kid could win.  

Jason Duff shot 88/84 in an event at the end of last year, it happens.   He’s ranked 124th in Rolex AJGA rankings and 202nd in Golfweek’s ranking (22nd overall in his class) and regularly shoots under par like he did in the above event.

I agree with almost all you say and these kids are indeed good, but I've followed many of them around and seen scores much higher on average. The FJT in particular seems to have lower scores than the equivalents. As to rankings I must say I'm a little skeptical of them myself, but then again anyone in the top 2,000 is a damn fine golfer.


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Posted 26 February 2018 - 01:17 PM

There is no way the rating of the course is a 73.4 with that many kids in the red.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 01:25 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 26 February 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

There is no way the rating of the course is a 73.4 with that many kids in the red.

https://www.fsga.org...9f-d34fd3d26891

Same event last year.  Thatís definitely the rating of the course.  Weather was perfect and not windy and greens were very good.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 01:31 PM

I am constantly amazed that so many people refuse to admit there are A LOT of really talented young golfers in the world.

Get out of your own little cocoon and experience the bigger world before you start judging ... you would be amazed at how long and consistent these kids are today. They are athletic, well trained and take the game very seriously. Just because you don't play with them every weekend doesn't mean they aren't out there.
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Posted 26 February 2018 - 01:37 PM

View PostSling, on 26 February 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 26 February 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

View PostSling, on 26 February 2018 - 12:25 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 25 February 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

https://www.fsga.org...?boolQual=False

These are the results from this weekends 16-18 year old age group playing an over 7,000 yard course with a rating of 73.4.  33 kids shot par or better for 36 holes.

These kids are good.

They are indeed good but I thought I recognized the name of the winner and sure enough he played with my son a few months ago where he shot 78 on a much shorter course. I've also followed Jason Langer round last year when he shot in the 80s. Breaking par on any course is of course a great achievement but I've learned to be suspicious of just reading scores on a page. Well done to all involved but I wonder what the set up was like.

The winner beat multiple players ranked in the top 100.  The winner averages almost a full stroke under the course rating which would make him a tournament +3 or so.  Everyone has high rounds and his stats clearly show that the 78 was an outlier.  Course was fairly wide open off the tee but plenty of kids who are top 300 in the world struggled and finished down at the bottom of the leaderboard.  The entire point was that the depth is getting massive and any event almost any kid could win.  

Jason Duff shot 88/84 in an event at the end of last year, it happens.   Heís ranked 124th in Rolex AJGA rankings and 202nd in Golfweekís ranking (22nd overall in his class) and regularly shoots under par like he did in the above event.

I agree with almost all you say and these kids are indeed good, but I've followed many of them around and seen scores much higher on average. The FJT in particular seems to have lower scores than the equivalents. As to rankings I must say I'm a little skeptical of them myself, but then again anyone in the top 2,000 is a damn fine golfer.

What equivalents have higher scores?  I see a ton of players of all levels playing in FJT events for years.  And I think the scores are very indicative of their ability levels.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 01:38 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 26 February 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

There is no way the rating of the course is a 73.4 with that many kids in the red.

Slope is 126 which seems very low. In a way this is what you might expect on a course with no wind and perfect conditions, with big numbers taken out of the equation and flat greens it only takes two or three birdies a round and hey presto lots of red numbers. Because I'm bored here at work I looked up on JGS what the players have shot on courses I know in Florida and the scores were a lot higher. Again take nothing away from theses players, they are very good, but this was obviously an outlier of a tournament.


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Posted 26 February 2018 - 01:38 PM

View Posttatertot, on 26 February 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

I am constantly amazed that so many people refuse to admit there are A LOT of really talented young golfers in the world.

Get out of your own little cocoon and experience the bigger world before you start judging ... you would be amazed at how long and consistent these kids are today. They are athletic, well trained and take the game very seriously. Just because you don't play with them every weekend doesn't mean they aren't out there.

I think we all agree that the breadth of great players is huge.  Where I think we are disagreeing in this thread revolves around how many of them shot under par at this particular tournament.  To me it will be interesting to see how many of the current top 250 we'll be hearing about in 5 - 10 years.  What's the differentiator in who makes it to the big stage versus those other really good golfers?

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 01:40 PM

View Posttatertot, on 26 February 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

I am constantly amazed that so many people refuse to admit there are A LOT of really talented young golfers in the world.

Get out of your own little cocoon and experience the bigger world before you start judging ... you would be amazed at how long and consistent these kids are today. They are athletic, well trained and take the game very seriously. Just because you don't play with them every weekend doesn't mean they aren't out there.

I watch them almost every weekend in the summer and yes they are amazing. But this is a one off, the same sort of field will produce a couple under par and a dozen under 150 on a more challenging layout.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 01:44 PM

"What equivalents have higher scores?  I see a ton of players of all levels playing in FJT events for years.  And I think the scores are very indicative of their ability levels."


I've seen them play and shoot much higher scores with my own eyes. Yes everyone has a bad day but I think it is this tournament which is more of an outlier for the reasons I have given above. Again they are all amazing players but this is either a statistical anomaly or the course was set up very easily and conditions were perfect. Again not a bad thing in itself but not indicative of what you'd normally expect.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 01:55 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 26 February 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 26 February 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

There is no way the rating of the course is a 73.4 with that many kids in the red.

https://www.fsga.org...9f-d34fd3d26891

Same event last year.  That's definitely the rating of the course.  Weather was perfect and not windy and greens were very good.

I know several of these kids or have seen them play in some type of capacity.  One of them in particular put up red numbers two days in a row and those are the only two he has ever put up in a JGS ranked event.  While I agree with a lot of what you post, I don't see this as being an indication of how good these kids are.  I also do realize that these kids are REALLY good.  I am not taking that away from the.  I get blasted a lot for talking about how good these kids are because they will beat 95% of the men posting on this site.

BTW...  I see one of the kids you teach is playing really well.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 02:01 PM

View PostSling, on 26 February 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

"What equivalents have higher scores?  I see a ton of players of all levels playing in FJT events for years.  And I think the scores are very indicative of their ability levels."


I've seen them play and shoot much higher scores with my own eyes. Yes everyone has a bad day but I think it is this tournament which is more of an outlier for the reasons I have given above. Again they are all amazing players but this is either a statistical anomaly or the course was set up very easily and conditions were perfect. Again not a bad thing in itself but not indicative of what you'd normally expect.

Again youíre not answering the question.  Plenty of high ranked players didnít play well and shot over par.  Again the winner averages under the course rating.  Cool you saw him shoot a 78, but facts are the facts, he averages under the course rating.

Cody Carroll shoots under par all the time including Florida High School record 63.  He shoots under par more often than he shoots over par, and he finished 6th.  All those kids still had to shoot those scores and beat some very good players.  Some of them careered it absolutely but they still played well 2 days in a row to do it

Youíre the one who made the claim that scores in FJTs are lower than equivalent tours.  Which imo is completely false.  When AJGA events are held at same courses as FJTs the scores are very similar, especially for same kids playing in both events.


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Posted 26 February 2018 - 02:09 PM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 26 February 2018 - 01:55 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 26 February 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

View Postheavy_hitter, on 26 February 2018 - 01:17 PM, said:

There is no way the rating of the course is a 73.4 with that many kids in the red.

https://www.fsga.org...9f-d34fd3d26891

Same event last year.  That's definitely the rating of the course.  Weather was perfect and not windy and greens were very good.

I know several of these kids or have seen them play in some type of capacity.  One of them in particular put up red numbers two days in a row and those are the only two he has ever put up in a JGS ranked event.  While I agree with a lot of what you post, I don't see this as being an indication of how good these kids are.  I also do realize that these kids are REALLY good.  I am not taking that away from the.  I get blasted a lot for talking about how good these kids are because they will beat 95% of the men posting on this site.

BTW...  I see one of the kids you teach is playing really well.

Like I said itís forgiving off the tee and greens were good.  So kids who are long but a bit wild and can putt could score.   It was ideal conditions but you still had to get the ball in the hole.   There isnít always a rhyme or reason for scoring.  I think Don Veller is pretty easy and the scoring there in the 54 hole event was ridiculously high for the course but with tough hole locations and those greens there was a ton of 3-4-5 putts.

Thanks, a couple of the kids I teach have been playing very well.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 02:13 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 26 February 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

View PostSling, on 26 February 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

"What equivalents have higher scores?  I see a ton of players of all levels playing in FJT events for years.  And I think the scores are very indicative of their ability levels."


I've seen them play and shoot much higher scores with my own eyes. Yes everyone has a bad day but I think it is this tournament which is more of an outlier for the reasons I have given above. Again they are all amazing players but this is either a statistical anomaly or the course was set up very easily and conditions were perfect. Again not a bad thing in itself but not indicative of what you'd normally expect.

Again you're not answering the question.  Plenty of high ranked players didn't play well and shot over par.  Again the winner averages under the course rating.  Cool you saw him shoot a 78, but facts are the facts, he averages under the course rating.

Cody Carroll shoots under par all the time including Florida High School record 63.  He shoots under par more often than he shoots over par, and he finished 6th.  All those kids still had to shoot those scores and beat some very good players.  Some of them careered it absolutely but they still played well 2 days in a row to do it

You're the one who made the claim that scores in FJTs are lower than equivalent tours.  Which imo is completely false.  When AJGA events are held at same courses as FJTs the scores are very similar, especially for same kids playing in both events.

This doesn't need to be a battle. For the sixth time, all these kids are good golfers. But you did title this 'Just for some perspective', and another perspective is that for the scores to be this good down the field it has to have been set up very easily.

It is great that so many beat par, both days, but you have to see that that's probably because very few big numbers were being put up.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 02:22 PM

Looking at the scores, it appears some great golf was played at the FJT event. Looks like roughly half of the players shot +1 or better through 2-days.  Regardless of the course layout (and how that affects its playability and rating/slope) or the weather conditions, it was tournament golf. If your competitors are making birdies, the pressure is on to make birdies yourself.

Strange tone in this thread.  IMHO, you can't really compare the FJT vs the DJ event because the course/conditions/vibe of every tournament is different.  That's just my perspective.

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#24 heavy_hitter

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 02:24 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 26 February 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

View PostSling, on 26 February 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

"What equivalents have higher scores?  I see a ton of players of all levels playing in FJT events for years.  And I think the scores are very indicative of their ability levels."


I've seen them play and shoot much higher scores with my own eyes. Yes everyone has a bad day but I think it is this tournament which is more of an outlier for the reasons I have given above. Again they are all amazing players but this is either a statistical anomaly or the course was set up very easily and conditions were perfect. Again not a bad thing in itself but not indicative of what you'd normally expect.

Again you're not answering the question.  Plenty of high ranked players didn't play well and shot over par.  Again the winner averages under the course rating.  Cool you saw him shoot a 78, but facts are the facts, he averages under the course rating.

Cody Carroll shoots under par all the time including Florida High School record 63.  He shoots under par more often than he shoots over par, and he finished 6th.  All those kids still had to shoot those scores and beat some very good players.  Some of them careered it absolutely but they still played well 2 days in a row to do it

You're the one who made the claim that scores in FJTs are lower than equivalent tours.  Which imo is completely false.  When AJGA events are held at same courses as FJTs the scores are very similar, especially for same kids playing in both events.

There are FJT's that are better rated than some AJGA open events. I would actually put that field at the Don Veller against any in the country.   FJT is one of if not the best state run event in the nation.  FJT is definitely better than Hurricane, IMG, FCWT, and many more national tours trying to make it.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 02:42 PM

Maybe my tone has indeed been a bit off here and if so I do apologize. But maybe those who know more than me might be able to comment on what has always surprised me as to how good the scores are in general on the FJT, not just this tournament.

I realize that there are a lot of the best junior golfers in the country in Florida both homegrown and in various schools and academies due to the weather and the general facilities available year round. I'm not going to do an analysis of the JGS but just from a quick perusal and my own experiences the same players don't score as well away from the FJT and certainly not out of State. The same seems to be true of golfers coming the other way, a golfer from the Northeast will struggle on Florida courses. Are the scores so good on the FJT not only because these are some of the best Juniors in the country but also they are in general Florida natives who know how to play Florida courses?


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Posted 26 February 2018 - 02:50 PM

View PostSling, on 26 February 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

Maybe my tone has indeed been a bit off here and if so I do apologize. But maybe those who know more than me might be able to comment on what has always surprised me as to how good the scores are in general on the FJT, not just this tournament.

I realize that there are a lot of the best junior golfers in the country in Florida both homegrown and in various schools and academies due to the weather and the general facilities available year round. I'm not going to do an analysis of the JGS but just from a quick perusal and my own experiences the same players don't score as well away from the FJT and certainly not out of State. The same seems to be true of golfers coming the other way, a golfer from the Northeast will struggle on Florida courses. Are the scores so good on the FJT not only because these are some of the best Juniors in the country but also they are in general Florida natives who know how to play Florida courses?

Yes and Yes.  You are getting some of the best golfers in the country in Florida.  Other tours in Florida don't get the type of fields that a FJT does.  If you want to play with the best, you play FJT.  SFPGA in south Florida is OK.  It's counterpart in North Florida isn't nearly as good.  The rest of the tours in the state don't draw good fields.  That includes HJGT, IGM, FCWT events.

There is also a difference in South Florida and North Florida.  Courses North of Orlando are different than the courses South of Orlando.

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 07:58 PM

View Postleezer99, on 25 February 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

DJ World Junior Golf Championship Results:

Boys (~7,000 yards - nobody under par)

Girls (~6,000 yards - nobody under par)
I am a member at TPC and watched most of the Dustin Johnson tournament. Conditions were very tough. Difficult pins, very thick rough and pretty windy. Boys were totally tipped out on Sunday except for 17.

I play there nearly everyday and also played D1 golf at a major SEC school and know a full test of golf when I see it. Ball goes nowhere at TPC of Myrtle Beach at sea level. so it plays more like 7200. The average club scratch golfer would be going for huge numbers on that day on that course. if they were not playing totally solid.

The winner (class of 2020) put on a world class driving clinic. He had 40 yards into #16 which is 390 par 4 and he hit driver 4 iron into #18 which is 538 par 5 over water. Tied for the lead at the time, he hit the four iron to 15 feet and made it for eagle.

Ridiculous talent there this week and this is not even a particularly strong junior field. Akshay Bhatia (class of 2020) was only top 10 in the field this year.

On the girls side, Alexa Pano is one of the most talented young junior golfers I have ever seen. It defies imagination that a 13 year old can play at this level and hit it so far. She could easily develop into one of the best players in the world.

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