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G400 MAX vs. G400 LST


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#1 ProjectX_Mizuno

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 03:35 PM

I notice a couple of the G400 MAX drivers showing up in tour players bags. To those with higher swing speeds, which of these two heads do your prefer?


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Posted 25 February 2018 - 04:15 PM

Interested in this as well. I struggle with keeping my spin down and am happy with my G400 LST but could always use more forgiveness. Curious how much more spin the max generates. I could probably live with a few hundred revs more for the extra foregiveness but any more than that wouldnt be worth the switch

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Posted 25 February 2018 - 06:57 PM

I think Im gonna try it out.  It has peak my interest. Think I need more spin then my Epic SZ.  Reviews I saw show it was lower spinning not typical 2500+
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Posted 26 February 2018 - 08:56 AM

It seems the G400 max is still pretty low spin and is around the same as the regular G400 if you compare the #s to YouTube reviews of the 2. I did notice a trend of ball speed being lower with the Max. But if you are looking to switch, pay the $15 most places charge to digital loft and go down a degree or so with the max. Im thinking about switching also from the LST to the Max but I need to get my swing somewhat grooved before I demo. Thinking of ordering a G400 max lofted at 8* standard (7* degrees when I play it open).
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Posted 26 February 2018 - 11:09 AM

I am really curious about this one too.  I'm leaning towards the LST, but the MAX is getting a lot of good review and attention.  Honestly I prefer the slightly smaller head, but if the the MAX outperforms the LST . . . Well then I'll be in quite a pickle . . .

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 05:29 PM

For me:

The max was better. Spin Rate was just as low as the LST but the launch and ball speed was slightly better which gave more carry and total distance. Max paired with a low launch low spin shaft is a great combo.

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 05:39 PM

the MAX is a high launching species. be prepared for that much I can tell you.
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Posted 27 February 2018 - 06:08 PM

From owning both the LST and currently owning the MAX (project x hzrdous yellow shaft), the max does spin a little higher, is just a tad more pingy sounding but is giving me darn near the same carry and total as the LST. With that being said I am spinning the max just under 3k which is pretty high so need to find a shaft to get it closer to mid 2,000 Or a little lower and I promise it will be beating the LST in carry for me. Both drivers are the best i have hit but I am having the best  straightest drives with the MAX. It is seriously the most forgiving driver I have hit. I banged one high toe bad enough to feel the gear effect pretty good and it still carried further than what I looked up and thought it would. I'm a club hoe but driver will be in the bag for awhile once I get a lower spinning shaft. It's a bomber!

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 07:28 PM

View PostHackATK, on 27 February 2018 - 06:08 PM, said:

From owning both the LST and currently owning the MAX (project x hzrdous yellow shaft), the max does spin a little higher, is just a tad more pingy sounding but is giving me darn near the same carry and total as the LST. With that being said I am spinning the max just under 3k which is pretty high so need to find a shaft to get it closer to mid 2,000 Or a little lower and I promise it will be beating the LST in carry for me. Both drivers are the best i have hit but I am having the best  straightest drives with the MAX. It is seriously the most forgiving driver I have hit. I banged one high toe bad enough to feel the gear effect pretty good and it still carried further than what I looked up and thought it would. I'm a club hoe but driver will be in the bag for awhile once I get a lower spinning shaft. It's a bomber!

I thought the Hzrdus yellow was already low spin....

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 07:40 PM

View Postmulliganman30, on 27 February 2018 - 07:28 PM, said:

View PostHackATK, on 27 February 2018 - 06:08 PM, said:

From owning both the LST and currently owning the MAX (project x hzrdous yellow shaft), the max does spin a little higher, is just a tad more pingy sounding but is giving me darn near the same carry and total as the LST. With that being said I am spinning the max just under 3k which is pretty high so need to find a shaft to get it closer to mid 2,000 Or a little lower and I promise it will be beating the LST in carry for me. Both drivers are the best i have hit but I am having the best  straightest drives with the MAX. It is seriously the most forgiving driver I have hit. I banged one high toe bad enough to feel the gear effect pretty good and it still carried further than what I looked up and thought it would. I'm a club hoe but driver will be in the bag for awhile once I get a lower spinning shaft. It's a bomber!

I thought the Hzrdus yellow was already low spin....

That's what I thought and had one in an epic that gave me good spin numbers but in the MAX it's been different. Sometimes low spin low launch shafts aren't always the same in different drivers, at least for me it apparently has differed. I'm at a loss on what shaft to try next. Club Champion is opening in Nashville soon I believe, so I need to make a visit I guess. Although I just remembered that I can lower the loft a notch or 2 and maybe that will bring the spin down....

Edited by HackATK, 27 February 2018 - 07:42 PM.


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Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:14 AM

Currently have the LST with a Fujikura EVO III 661x in it. Decided to demo the max with my shaft and found the max to launch higher and have higher back spin compared to LST. But as others have said it is mich more forgiving. Tried the max 10.5* with a few different shafts to try to lower spin. Even took loft all the way down. This did lower the launch slightly and spin juat a tiny bit. Going to order the max in 9* and pair it with a Veylix 688 Rome x flex. I feel I can possibly give up a few yards if it means the extra forgiveness

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:03 PM

Hello - I have the MAX with the XTorsion and also looking at the LST, but I swing at 90mph.
Will I see much of a benefit?  Thank you

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:12 PM

View PostCarolina Golfer 2, on 12 February 2018 - 04:15 AM, said:

Has anyone tried the 400 max with thd XTorsion Copper shaft compared to a previous experience or Demo with the Tour 65 or Alta 55?

I just got a 400 max with the XTorsion copper stiff. I got to play a very cold and wet early 9 Sunday morning with it. I've been playing a standard G400 which I tried several different shafts but the Alta stiff worked the best for me. Both heads are 10.5. Played my home course where I have close to 100 rounds and 4 of those back nine holes I can say that I have never been that far down the fairway. And it seems as close to a point and shoot I've ever put in play. I swing at 90-95 and can say so far this is the best driver combo I've ever hit.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:51 PM

View PostKenny Lee Puckett, on 27 February 2018 - 05:39 PM, said:

the MAX is a high launching species. be prepared for that much I can tell you.
Yes, I tested the 10 (or 10.5 Max) and the lower-lofted model. The 10 does launch the ball high for me. But, high to me is like what you see with the tour guys. The better players I know here hit the same trajectory with their drivers. I will be ordering a 400Max soon.
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Posted 03 March 2018 - 11:33 AM

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 12:02 PM

View PostHackATK, on 27 February 2018 - 07:40 PM, said:

View Postmulliganman30, on 27 February 2018 - 07:28 PM, said:

View PostHackATK, on 27 February 2018 - 06:08 PM, said:

From owning both the LST and currently owning the MAX (project x hzrdous yellow shaft), the max does spin a little higher, is just a tad more pingy sounding but is giving me darn near the same carry and total as the LST. With that being said I am spinning the max just under 3k which is pretty high so need to find a shaft to get it closer to mid 2,000 Or a little lower and I promise it will be beating the LST in carry for me. Both drivers are the best i have hit but I am having the best  straightest drives with the MAX. It is seriously the most forgiving driver I have hit. I banged one high toe bad enough to feel the gear effect pretty good and it still carried further than what I looked up and thought it would. I'm a club hoe but driver will be in the bag for awhile once I get a lower spinning shaft. It's a bomber!

I thought the Hzrdus yellow was already low spin....

That's what I thought and had one in an epic that gave me good spin numbers but in the MAX it's been different. Sometimes low spin low launch shafts aren't always the same in different drivers, at least for me it apparently has differed. I'm at a loss on what shaft to try next. Club Champion is opening in Nashville soon I believe, so I need to make a visit I guess. Although I just remembered that I can lower the loft a notch or 2 and maybe that will bring the spin down....

It should be different.

Low launch and spin or high launch and spin are a combination of shaft AND head.

The LST is the low launching low spinning head. The MAX, with its target audience of higher handicappers, should be a more forgiving, higher launching, higher spinning head.

Pairing it with a low/low shaft will bring the spin down, hopefully to manageable levels, but it still most likely won't reach the LST levels.

Pros are using the MAX because they CAN keep the launch/spin of the HEAD within their personal "windows". For us amateurs,,,,,,, it's more difficult to do.
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Posted 04 March 2018 - 07:43 PM

View PostLandy, on 02 March 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

Hello - I have the MAX with the XTorsion and also looking at the LST, but I swing at 90mph.
Will I see much of a benefit?  Thank you

Hello any one? Thank you

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 08:04 PM

View Postnsxguy, on 03 March 2018 - 12:02 PM, said:

View PostHackATK, on 27 February 2018 - 07:40 PM, said:

View Postmulliganman30, on 27 February 2018 - 07:28 PM, said:

View PostHackATK, on 27 February 2018 - 06:08 PM, said:

From owning both the LST and currently owning the MAX (project x hzrdous yellow shaft), the max does spin a little higher, is just a tad more pingy sounding but is giving me darn near the same carry and total as the LST. With that being said I am spinning the max just under 3k which is pretty high so need to find a shaft to get it closer to mid 2,000 Or a little lower and I promise it will be beating the LST in carry for me. Both drivers are the best i have hit but I am having the best  straightest drives with the MAX. It is seriously the most forgiving driver I have hit. I banged one high toe bad enough to feel the gear effect pretty good and it still carried further than what I looked up and thought it would. I'm a club hoe but driver will be in the bag for awhile once I get a lower spinning shaft. It's a bomber!

I thought the Hzrdus yellow was already low spin....

That's what I thought and had one in an epic that gave me good spin numbers but in the MAX it's been different. Sometimes low spin low launch shafts aren't always the same in different drivers, at least for me it apparently has differed. I'm at a loss on what shaft to try next. Club Champion is opening in Nashville soon I believe, so I need to make a visit I guess. Although I just remembered that I can lower the loft a notch or 2 and maybe that will bring the spin down....

It should be different.

Low launch and spin or high launch and spin are a combination of shaft AND head.

The LST is the low launching low spinning head. The MAX, with its target audience of higher handicappers, should be a more forgiving, higher launching, higher spinning head.

Pairing it with a low/low shaft will bring the spin down, hopefully to manageable levels, but it still most likely won't reach the LST levels.

Pros are using the MAX because they CAN keep the launch/spin of the HEAD within their personal "windows". For us amateurs,,,,,,, it's more difficult to do.

Yeah I have since been back on a launch monitor and maybe it was that day and that swing but now I'm getting good spin numbers between 2100-2700 depending on strike location and AoA .  Can confirm it's not longer but it is as long as the LST for me. The forgiveness it that of a Ping driver and it's awesome. I will post up some actual distance numbers once I get it on course a few times.

Edited by HackATK, 04 March 2018 - 08:05 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2018 - 08:46 PM

I've been testing the LST in 10 degrees, thinking of getting the standard 10.5 or max 10.5. I really like the sound and feel but would be on with a bit more spin to have added forgiveness and launch. Anyone wanting to swap their standard for a lst hit me up.
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Posted 04 March 2018 - 10:54 PM

View PostKaexo, on 27 February 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

For me:

The max was better. Spin Rate was just as low as the LST but the launch and ball speed was slightly better which gave more carry and total distance. Max paired with a low launch low spin shaft is a great combo.

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I agree 100%... hence the Max is in the bag and I'm hitting more fairways than I did with LST... and even picking up a yard or three in the process.

This club is actually taking strokes off my game - not because of length, but because it's straight and keeps me out of trouble!

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 12:06 AM

View PostLandy, on 04 March 2018 - 07:43 PM, said:

View PostLandy, on 02 March 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

Hello - I have the MAX with the XTorsion and also looking at the LST, but I swing at 90mph.
Will I see much of a benefit?  Thank you

Hello any one? Thank you

I don't think there is any way any of us can positively answer this....  what are your current numbers with the Max?  90 mph is a very small piece of the puzzle.  Are you looking to get your spin numbers down, launch down, more carry, better dispersion??  Hard to know what you are looking for against how your current Max plays.


I passed on the Max, didn't even try it... I know I know... but the thought of the sound being closer to the G/G30 was enough to put me off.  I have played the G400 9* in the past with great results so I picked one up for the second go round... the ho'ing got the better part of me last time but I am looking to have a bag set for a while and the G400 is the one I think I trust the most for distance and forgiveness, plus feel/sound.  I swing in the 105 area and the spin numbers with the regular G400 were fine, didn't feel I needed to attempt the LST and lose a bit of forgiveness.  Hoping to get the results I was getting before.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 12:54 AM

I actually ordered an M4 last week. I swing around 105 mph but suffer from very low spin, talking between 1000 to 1700 rpm... my bad strikes are in the hundreds. I have a positive angle of attack and get good results launching the ball 18 plus degrees. I'm have a nagging thought that I should have tried the g400 max for the high launch and maybe more spin than the m4. I'm going to go back to the store today and hit them both.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:15 PM

Does the g400 max really sound like a g30? My g30lst is really loud, and I love the idea of the g400 max, but have heard the sound is great with the reg g400.....
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Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:42 PM

View Postcz13X4, on 05 March 2018 - 04:15 PM, said:

Does the g400 max really sound like a g30? My g30lst is really loud, and I love the idea of the g400 max, but have heard the sound is great with the reg g400.....

I have the g400 max and had the LST. I can attest that the g400Max is a little louder but by no means is it crazy loud. Just played a round with 2 guys that love Titleist and Callaway drivers and they commented how they love the sound of the Max... To me its not G30 loud but not regular g400 muted, maybe between the two. That's my opinion but have heard both sides too. The driver is well worth the so called "sound!'' My swing speed hovers right at 106-111 in that area.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 10:55 PM

View Postcz13X4, on 05 March 2018 - 04:15 PM, said:

Does the g400 max really sound like a g30? My g30lst is really loud, and I love the idea of the g400 max, but have heard the sound is great with the reg g400.....

To me, Max sound falls in between G and G400... nowhere near G30.

I love sound/feel of G400... but I really love the performance of the Max and it’s well worth the small sacrifice of sound. Plus I actually like the lively feel of the Max face.

Edited by G-Bone, 06 March 2018 - 10:27 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 10:53 AM

Agree on the sound. I had heard loud by some. I don't hear loud at all. Quieter than a G, just not quite as muted like regular G400. For me, the benefits of performance are worth the small difference.

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 11:24 AM

I took the GMax out on Sunday to the range and it to be blunt and honest it sounds awful. Its loud as f***! To me its a G25 in new clothes loud. I hit the M3 a lot better - straighter, longer and more consistent. The GMax is not for me is getting sold asap.

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 11:29 AM

Hit them both with Hzdrus black (my current gamer shaft) and the LST had better results.  Max sound is a little bit of a turn off.
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Posted 06 March 2018 - 11:31 AM

And not only is it a bad sounding driver it just looks massive. Even compared to Epics or an M3 it just looks a lot bigger.

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 11:39 AM

Has anyone removed the weight on the max to see whether it would be easy to feed some yarn in there to muffle the sound?


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