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#1 Sabaka

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 11:29 AM

Anyone understand the differences between these two heads - notwithstanding the weight port are they identical? If so, it seems to me the Rogue Draw version would not be necessary as all one would have to do is set the Optifit adapter for a draw bias on the Rogue. If the weight port were taken out of the Draw would the cg location of the two heads be identical?


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Posted 22 February 2018 - 11:56 AM

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 11:57 AM

The Rogue and Rogue Draw are the same head with weight port distributed in the heal of the Draw rather than the back of the club in the regular version. You can still use the Optifit adjustment on both to set up for Draw (that just makes it upright lie). Removing the weigh port in the draw would not be the same as the regular as the regular has the weight port in the rear of the club.
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Posted 22 February 2018 - 12:02 PM

Two different animals. Way more left bias in the draw head than the regular one set to “D”. That just moves the lie angle one upright.
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Posted 22 February 2018 - 12:15 PM

So if both were set to neutral, theoretically, the Rogue would be designed to launch higher and spin more than the Rogue Draw?


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Posted 22 February 2018 - 03:34 PM

Tested both heads and also found that with the draw head, the launch was also lower probably due to the weight bringing the CG more forward

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 06:57 PM

I pulled the trigger on a Rogue Draw today.  I didn't do a fitting, but I've hit them demo days inside and outside on Trackman and feel confident in my decision.

Swing speed is around 112 right now with a slightly positive angle of attack.  I play a fade, and I'm done trying to fix it.  Current gamer is Ping G SF Tec with the Tour 65 set to the big plus.

The Draw took the "big miss" out of the picture for me, but the Standard definitely put up better Trackman numbers.   I'll take no big misses over 7 more yards of carry everyday.

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 10:18 PM

View Postlspky_muskie, on 22 February 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

I pulled the trigger on a Rogue Draw today.  I didn't do a fitting, but I've hit them demo days inside and outside on Trackman and feel confident in my decision.

Swing speed is around 112 right now with a slightly positive angle of attack.  I play a fade, and I'm done trying to fix it.  Current gamer is Ping G SF Tec with the Tour 65 set to the big plus.

The Draw took the "big miss" out of the picture for me, but the Standard definitely put up better Trackman numbers.   I'll take no big misses over 7 more yards of carry everyday.

This is exactly what any “draw” model is intended to do - take the big slice out of play.  Watching online reviews, it looks like the standard model has a draw bias and the subzero model has a fade bias.  No shame in choosing the one that best corrects your mistake.  Golf is a lot easier when you can take one side of the course out of play.
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Posted 23 February 2018 - 01:00 PM

I have a few rounds under the belt and quite a bit of range time. The Rogue Draw certainly does what it says. I used to have a fade and I cannot really fade it, if I try. It has certainly corrected that. I was playing the Fusion before, which I still have and love but this Rogue really feels good and is powerful. I don't know all about the technology these manufacturers seem to be bringing and I know the new release cycle time has these boards "buzzing", but this thing plain works. Obviously, honeymoon phase but it is a real joy to play with and I finally have confidence in a driver.
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Posted 23 February 2018 - 07:39 PM

Wish they would make a fade version to take left out of play for those of us that draw the ball and our big miss is to hook it


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Posted 23 February 2018 - 11:16 PM

Did not notice any fade bias in the Rogue SZ I tested. Seems like a square setup that goes straight. I flipped the weights and came in with optimal spin at about 2400. Sounds great, feels great. Bought it. Evenflow Blue 75g Stiff shaft.
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Posted 14 April 2018 - 11:02 PM

Demoed a Rogue Draw and G400 sft and g400 max today with a bunch of shafts at the local driving range/golf shop.  No monitoring of any sort, but I could easily tell that the Draw was the best fit today.   I want to get a formal fitting at some point but so far I’m strongly considering rogue or the rogue draw.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 08:16 AM

Big differences I noticed between all 3 drivers with my own swing; SZ = weight forward and could not get the ball in the air; Rogue = weight in the back of the head but struggled with my miss right; Rogue Draw = noticeably weighted differently, was effortless to work the ball right to left.

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Posted 15 April 2018 - 10:42 AM

View Postlspky_muskie, on 22 February 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

I pulled the trigger on a Rogue Draw today.  I didn't do a fitting, but I've hit them demo days inside and outside on Trackman and feel confident in my decision.

Swing speed is around 112 right now with a slightly positive angle of attack.  I play a fade, and I'm done trying to fix it.  Current gamer is Ping G SF Tec with the Tour 65 set to the big plus.

The Draw took the "big miss" out of the picture for me, but the Standard definitely put up better Trackman numbers.   I'll take no big misses over 7 more yards of carry everyday.

Finally got on the course the last few days.  27 holes isn't much, but the Draw is long and almost impossible to hit right.   I had to move my aiming lines into the fairway to avoid the left rough.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 12:03 PM

View Postlspky_muskie, on 15 April 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

View Postlspky_muskie, on 22 February 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

I pulled the trigger on a Rogue Draw today.  I didn't do a fitting, but I've hit them demo days inside and outside on Trackman and feel confident in my decision.

Swing speed is around 112 right now with a slightly positive angle of attack.  I play a fade, and I'm done trying to fix it.  Current gamer is Ping G SF Tec with the Tour 65 set to the big plus.

The Draw took the "big miss" out of the picture for me, but the Standard definitely put up better Trackman numbers.   I'll take no big misses over 7 more yards of carry everyday.

Finally got on the course the last few days.  27 holes isn't much, but the Draw is long and almost impossible to hit right.   I had to move my aiming lines into the fairway to avoid the left rough.

Did the draw affect your initial direction to the left, or only add some hook spin to the normal direction you hit it.  

Ie, do you know if there is any face angle bias to the rogue draw, or is it purely just a weight based draw bias.   Can’t find this data online at the moment.


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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:22 PM

View PostKSP, on 16 April 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View Postlspky_muskie, on 15 April 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

View Postlspky_muskie, on 22 February 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

I pulled the trigger on a Rogue Draw today.  I didn't do a fitting, but I've hit them demo days inside and outside on Trackman and feel confident in my decision.

Swing speed is around 112 right now with a slightly positive angle of attack.  I play a fade, and I'm done trying to fix it.  Current gamer is Ping G SF Tec with the Tour 65 set to the big plus.

The Draw took the "big miss" out of the picture for me, but the Standard definitely put up better Trackman numbers.   I'll take no big misses over 7 more yards of carry everyday.

Finally got on the course the last few days.  27 holes isn't much, but the Draw is long and almost impossible to hit right.   I had to move my aiming lines into the fairway to avoid the left rough.

Did the draw affect your initial direction to the left, or only add some hook spin to the normal direction you hit it.  

Ie, do you know if there is any face angle bias to the rogue draw, or is it purely just a weight based draw bias.   Can’t find this data online at the moment.

I think it sets up square or even a little open, and the weight squares/shuts the face for me.  

Haven’t had it on trackman to confirm that, but it is either that or magic.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:27 PM

View PostKSP, on 16 April 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

View Postlspky_muskie, on 15 April 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

View Postlspky_muskie, on 22 February 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

I pulled the trigger on a Rogue Draw today.  I didn't do a fitting, but I've hit them demo days inside and outside on Trackman and feel confident in my decision.

Swing speed is around 112 right now with a slightly positive angle of attack.  I play a fade, and I'm done trying to fix it.  Current gamer is Ping G SF Tec with the Tour 65 set to the big plus.

The Draw took the "big miss" out of the picture for me, but the Standard definitely put up better Trackman numbers.   I'll take no big misses over 7 more yards of carry everyday.

Finally got on the course the last few days.  27 holes isn't much, but the Draw is long and almost impossible to hit right.   I had to move my aiming lines into the fairway to avoid the left rough.

Did the draw affect your initial direction to the left, or only add some hook spin to the normal direction you hit it.  

Ie, do you know if there is any face angle bias to the rogue draw, or is it purely just a weight based draw bias.   Can’t find this data online at the moment.

KSP when I spoke with the Callaway Rep I know for certain he said it was weighted to be draw bias which I can confirm this is the first feel you would notice between the 3 is the weight difference.  When I spoke with a club pro he made it sound like there was no difference between the faces of all 3 heads.

EDIT: confirmed with a Callaway Rep.  No difference in head/face other than where the weight is positioned between the 3 models.

Edited by Z4Par, 16 April 2018 - 04:20 PM.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:56 PM

when I hit the Rogue and Rogue Draw at PGASS the Draw gave me the best trajectory, distance and dispersion with the sweetest baby draw. My concern with getting a draw biased driver is that at some point it will morph into an uncontrollable hook. I really don't have a slice but my typical miss with the driver is a push which I would hope a draw bias would help in bringing the ball back to the fairway. I would love to be able to aim down the right and expect the ball to go straight or have the entire width of the fairway to accept a draw.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:09 PM

View Postphil75070, on 16 April 2018 - 02:56 PM, said:

when I hit the Rogue and Rogue Draw at PGASS the Draw gave me the best trajectory, distance and dispersion with the sweetest baby draw. My concern with getting a draw biased driver is that at some point it will morph into an uncontrollable hook. I really don't have a slice but my typical miss with the driver is a push which I would hope a draw bias would help in bringing the ball back to the fairway. I would love to be able to aim down the right and expect the ball to go straight or have the entire width of the fairway to accept a draw.

Your body can change, your swing can change, and over time the same driver you’ve been playing might need a change.  Do not be afraid of a draw bias driver.  If you are missing drives to the right with your driver a draw bias driver can be your best friend.  I used to have the FT-I in the draw head and since going back to a draw bias head I don't know why I ever left it.  It has made driving the ball so much easier and fun again.  My recommendation would be to give the Rogue Draw a long demo period if at all possible.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 11:15 PM

It's sort of strange. My miss is a hook. Not because I'm flipping but because I've always played with a really strong grip. I bought the Rogue draw about a month ago and hit nothing but straight drives now.  It's almost like it's because I know it's a draw biased driver so I subconsciously hold off the release which probably keeps the face square. Basically I think that it's not the actual weighting of the head that works for me but just the fact that I know it's a draw biased head.

Needless to say, I really like this driver and the weight of it. Tried the regular one and it felt really heavy to me. Same shaft and everything too. Not sure why it felt different though.


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:09 AM

View Postphil75070, on 16 April 2018 - 02:56 PM, said:

when I hit the Rogue and Rogue Draw at PGASS the Draw gave me the best trajectory, distance and dispersion with the sweetest baby draw. My concern with getting a draw biased driver is that at some point it will morph into an uncontrollable hook. I really don't have a slice but my typical miss with the driver is a push which I would hope a draw bias would help in bringing the ball back to the fairway. I would love to be able to aim down the right and expect the ball to go straight or have the entire width of the fairway to accept a draw.

I've proven within my first few rounds with the Rogue Draw, that this can happen (getting a bit hooky).  But look, for us mere mortals, mid-high handis, family and work commitments, etc., I would rather start with that draw bias and work from there, then go the other way and watch me push/block drive after drive into the woods or major trouble.

The Rogue Draw has enough draw bias that I am hitting draws (sometimes too much) on the N setting.  With other recent Callaway drivers, GBB, Epic, Fusion, I needed the D setting. With the Rogue Draw, the N is a better starting point.  Now, because of the crappy weather around here, I have not been able to camp out at the outdoor range, bring my core group of Callaway shafts (stuff like Rogue Max 65 S, Diamana M+60 and S+60, etc.), and really dial in my Rogue Draw.  I've just been using the stock EvenFlow 65S, which I like quite a bit, but can get a bit hooky.

Of course, this past Sunday, it was freezing, I was heavily bundled up, and I was hitting a fade all day with this same setup.  But again, no fatal blocks or slices. The Rogue Draw does what it is supposed to do.  And it looks good and sets up square.  In my case, I may just need a slightly heavier or stouter shaft than the EvenFlow 65S, to square up a bit later and avoid the pulls.  YMMV.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:20 PM

I am not familiar with the club but it has got me interested. Can you set it to be more fade biased if you wanted to or is the N position as far as it goes in that direction ?

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:33 PM

View PostMarengo, on 16 April 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

It's sort of strange. My miss is a hook. Not because I'm flipping but because I've always played with a really strong grip. I bought the Rogue draw about a month ago and hit nothing but straight drives now.  It's almost like it's because I know it's a draw biased driver so I subconsciously hold off the release which probably keeps the face square. Basically I think that it's not the actual weighting of the head that works for me but just the fact that I know it's a draw biased head.

Needless to say, I really like this driver and the weight of it. Tried the regular one and it felt really heavy to me. Same shaft and everything too. Not sure why it felt different though.

Hold onto the Rogue SZ.  This will feel even ''heavier'' to you yet.  The reason you feel this weight difference between the Rogue and the Draw model's is because of where the weight is positioned in the head.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:55 PM

View Postlenman73, on 17 April 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

I am not familiar with the club but it has got me interested. Can you set it to be more fade biased if you wanted to or is the N position as far as it goes in that direction ?

I believe the only thing you could do to help aid hitting a fade would be to change the adapter to the ''N'' position and -1 setting.  Some can do this and have no issues, my swing is different.  I had this issue with the Fusion (finding the left side way too deep).  When I messed with the settings to help promote a straighter flight it did just this but I ended up not making as good as contact as I did in the Draw setting which resulted in a significant loss of distance.  That's why it is so important to find the correct weighted head and shaft combination for your swing to hit the ball pure and on as good of line as possible.  Take this for what it is worth.  I have a long back swing and aggressive transition and the Rogue Draw simply works.
Callaway Rogue Draw Driver (10 Degrees) 9 Degree setup at +1, Neutral Setting - Aldila Synergy 50 (60 Grams) Stiff - Standard
Callaway Rogue 4 Wood (17 Degrees) - Aldila Synergy 60 (68 Grams) Stiff - Standard
Callaway Rogue 3 Hybrid (19 Degrees) and 4 Hybrid (21 Degrees) - Aldila Synergy 60 (75 Grams) Stiff - Standard
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 11:37 PM

View PostZ4Par, on 17 April 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

View PostMarengo, on 16 April 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

It's sort of strange. My miss is a hook. Not because I'm flipping but because I've always played with a really strong grip. I bought the Rogue draw about a month ago and hit nothing but straight drives now.  It's almost like it's because I know it's a draw biased driver so I subconsciously hold off the release which probably keeps the face square. Basically I think that it's not the actual weighting of the head that works for me but just the fact that I know it's a draw biased head.

Needless to say, I really like this driver and the weight of it. Tried the regular one and it felt really heavy to me. Same shaft and everything too. Not sure why it felt different though.

Hold onto the Rogue SZ.  This will feel even ''heavier'' to you yet.  The reason you feel this weight difference between the Rogue and the Draw model's is because of where the weight is positioned in the head.

That's a little of what I figured.  Draw bias means more weight in the heel, effectively placing it closer to the grip and raising the center of gravity. Regular Rogue has the weight distributed evenly between toe and heel which places more weight further from the grip. I guess this accounts for the heavier feel?


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Posted 18 April 2018 - 06:14 AM

View PostMarengo, on 17 April 2018 - 11:37 PM, said:

View PostZ4Par, on 17 April 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

View PostMarengo, on 16 April 2018 - 11:15 PM, said:

It's sort of strange. My miss is a hook. Not because I'm flipping but because I've always played with a really strong grip. I bought the Rogue draw about a month ago and hit nothing but straight drives now.  It's almost like it's because I know it's a draw biased driver so I subconsciously hold off the release which probably keeps the face square. Basically I think that it's not the actual weighting of the head that works for me but just the fact that I know it's a draw biased head.

Needless to say, I really like this driver and the weight of it. Tried the regular one and it felt really heavy to me. Same shaft and everything too. Not sure why it felt different though.

Hold onto the Rogue SZ.  This will feel even ''heavier'' to you yet.  The reason you feel this weight difference between the Rogue and the Draw model's is because of where the weight is positioned in the head.

That's a little of what I figured.  Draw bias means more weight in the heel, effectively placing it closer to the grip and raising the center of gravity. Regular Rogue has the weight distributed evenly between toe and heel which places more weight further from the grip. I guess this accounts for the heavier feel?

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Callaway Rogue Draw Driver (10 Degrees) 9 Degree setup at +1, Neutral Setting - Aldila Synergy 50 (60 Grams) Stiff - Standard
Callaway Rogue 4 Wood (17 Degrees) - Aldila Synergy 60 (68 Grams) Stiff - Standard
Callaway Rogue 3 Hybrid (19 Degrees) and 4 Hybrid (21 Degrees) - Aldila Synergy 60 (75 Grams) Stiff - Standard
Titleist 718 AP3 5 Iron (25 Degrees) through PW (43 Degrees) and Wedge (48 Degrees) - AMT Black S300 - Standard
Titleist SM6 - 52 Degree F Grind 8 Degree Bounce - Project X 6.0 - Standard
Titleist SM6 - 56 Degree F Grind 14 Degree Bounce Standard - Project X 6.0 - Standard
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