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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:15 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 21 February 2018 - 07:33 AM, said:

This train has already left the station though. Somewhat of a moot point. You can not like it but yelling is going to keep happening because all it takes is one person, and it's become part of golf fandom.

The good thing is the large galleries usually follow guys already making a lot of money



it could be rolled back if they were willing to lose a little money for the short term fallout... after that money comes back plus some ....  if you have a kid who shows out at age 10 in the store... do we A. say " oh well its too late now ... cant do anything "  and let him start down the road to prison..... or do we B.... jerk him up and let him know how unacceptable it is... take away whatever form of currency gets his attention and only return  it when the behavior is modified.?    Thats basically what this is....  it can be done.. but short term option B is more work... but long term B is easier than A everytime

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:19 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 21 February 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:


So you get what we have now.. zero respect for self and others.

Well said!!

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:21 AM

I get where he's coming from, but in all fairness... almost all other major sports, the athletes are dealing with loud insane crowds the entire time. The only difference in golf, they can be a little closer to you then say... football. Some baseball player has to concentrate on hitting that 95mph fastball in game 7 of the World Series with 60,000 people yelling at the top of their lungs in the bottom of the 9th? What's the difference?

It kind of feels & sounds like a kid complaining who's had the luxury of being the best and getting everything he wants his whole life, just the way he wants it. Now that something like this is out of his control... he's lashing out a bit. Fairly lame thing to complain about when you're talking about hole 16 at WMO. Something like that would never happen on hole 72 of the Masters, for example.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:28 AM

Unfortunately, this is not a golf problem, it's a societal problem. More and more people feel it's all about them, and the consideration for others continues to fall.

At the Houston Open, most, if not all the tees are sponsored by companies. One of the marshals makes an announcement every time the golfers get to the tee box, asking everyone to be respectful, don't take pictures during their swing, etc. Seems to work well. If that's not being done elsewhere, it should be.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:34 AM

Thomas is definitely correct, it 100% a problem.

Just like the issue with slow play, the PGA Tour's complete lack of action has resulted in them making a rod for their own backs with this.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:35 AM

I love the BaBaBooeys, when done after the swing. That said I'm not a yeller or a look at me type. I'm also not a heavy drinker.    I am however fed up with the pattern of 2% can't handle alcohol, and so on,  so we must take it away.
Why must everyone pay the consequences of a few perpetrators?
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:37 AM

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I get where he's coming from, but in all fairness... almost all other major sports, the athletes are dealing with loud insane crowds the entire time. The only difference in golf, they can be a little closer to you then say... football. Some baseball player has to concentrate on hitting that 95mph fastball in game 7 of the World Series with 60,000 people yelling at the top of their lungs in the bottom of the 9th? What's the difference?

It kind of feels & sounds like a kid complaining who's had the luxury of being the best and getting everything he wants his whole life, just the way he wants it. Now that something like this is out of his control... he's lashing out a bit. Fairly lame thing to complain about when you're talking about hole 16 at WMO. Something like that would never happen on hole 72 of the Masters, for example.


Strange way to look at it.   Of course Augusta gets it right.  But what about Torrey pines ?  Or last week at Riviera ?  Plenty of yelling there.     Even Rickie Fowler complained about 16 at WM and they love him on that hole.    Itís all swirling around the bowl from a manners and respect point of view.  When someone like Lebron is a role model for all things not just b ball we have issues.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:38 AM

View PostImhappyinthe80s, on 21 February 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

I love the BaBaBooeys, when done after the swing. That said I'm not a yeller or a look at me type. I'm also not a heavy drinker.    I am however fed up with the pattern of 2% can't handle alcohol, and so on,  so we must take it away.
Why must everyone pay the consequences of a few perpetrators?

Go out much ?  Itís far more than 2%.  More like 60% at least.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:52 AM

Surprised golfers don’t wear ear plugs
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 09:13 AM

View PostCoolPercussion, on 21 February 2018 - 12:33 AM, said:

http://www.golfchann...y-unacceptable/

Is Justin Thomas justified in his complaints?  On one hand, I can see how large galleries can be a distraction to golfers.  (I know if I had to play in front of one it would cost me more than "a half shot per round")

On the other hand: POOR BABY!  Aww poor little Justin is playing in front of a big-boy gallery now.  Boo Hoo. Waaaaahhhhh!!! It must be so hard for you to be paired with Tiger and have to deal with the kinds of galleries that he has had to deal with FOR VIRTUALLY HIS ENTIRE CAREER!  Grow-up you spoiled, whiny brat.

Here's an idea, Justin:  continue to play like you did this week---keep yourself off the top page of the leaderboard---and then no one will want to come see you and you won't have to deal with large crowds anymore.  Just go the way of folks like Adam Schnek or Ryan Blaum.

"Big-boy gallery" is a poor description for what amounts to a pile of inconsiderate jerks who ruin the experience for a lot of people.


Based on this post it seems like you're taking this personal OP. Are you a mashed potatoes guy or Baba-booey?

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 09:14 AM

ďI love the BaBaBooeys,Ē

Good Christ.......

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 09:22 AM

View Postdciccoritti, on 21 February 2018 - 06:17 AM, said:

Remove the booze in all sporting events. If you can't enjoy a sporting event without getting drunk and stupid, you shouldn't be there in the first place.


Football season is over, clearly.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 09:56 AM

View Postgolfandfishing, on 21 February 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

ďI love the BaBaBooeys,Ē

Good Christ.......


Lol.  Yep. That elicited a ďf-meĒ as soon as I read it.  When someone actually has the opinion that they love rudeness isnít it time to admit that the itís all on a slow train headed for hades ? I mean goodness. If you love that then watch more Howard stern on  YouTube.  Have mom make some more hot pockets and enjoy !  


Most states have a public drunkenness law.  All that has to be done is to enforce it.  Yell something stupid.  Blow over the limit . Spend the night in the tank.  Someone earlier asked ď why does everyone have to be punished for the 2%. ď?     Happens everyday.  Speed limits are a good example.  Iím one who doesnít really pay attention to the limits.  I drive with flow of traffic in a safe manner.  Once every 5 yeas or so some cop pops me doing 5 over.  Fine.  I know that the 45 mph zone on a 4 lane highway with no school or homes nearby is too low really. But I also know that if it was set at 55 some jackassed would be going 70. So we are All punished with the 45 to keep the jackasses ( 2%) from killing someone.  Plenty other examples out there.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 10:24 AM

View PostImhappyinthe80s, on 21 February 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

I love the BaBaBooeys,

Please explain why.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 10:54 AM

View Postbladehunter, on 21 February 2018 - 08:37 AM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 21 February 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

I get where he's coming from, but in all fairness... almost all other major sports, the athletes are dealing with loud insane crowds the entire time. The only difference in golf, they can be a little closer to you then say... football. Some baseball player has to concentrate on hitting that 95mph fastball in game 7 of the World Series with 60,000 people yelling at the top of their lungs in the bottom of the 9th? What's the difference?

It kind of feels & sounds like a kid complaining who's had the luxury of being the best and getting everything he wants his whole life, just the way he wants it. Now that something like this is out of his control... he's lashing out a bit. Fairly lame thing to complain about when you're talking about hole 16 at WMO. Something like that would never happen on hole 72 of the Masters, for example.


Strange way to look at it.   Of course Augusta gets it right.  But what about Torrey pines ?  Or last week at Riviera ?  Plenty of yelling there. Even Rickie Fowler complained about 16 at WM and they love him on that hole. It's all swirling around the bowl from a manners and respect point of view. When someone like Labron is a role model for all things not just b ball we have issues.

Interesting quote. I'm not a huge LeBron fan, but he seems to be a decent guy. Married his high school sweetheart, very active in the community, gives to charity, contributes through his foundation, has provided thousands of scholarships, etc. What's your issue with him? Off topic, but just curious.


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:04 PM

Are there any other professional sporting events that demand silence from their fans? Why should golf be different? A good pro is able to drown out the distractions and focus just like pros in other sports.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:09 PM

I remember at the Scottish Open in 2014. Someone yelled Mashed Potatoes on the 6th tee.

I am sure that Mickelson was playing with Lawrie. Lawrie looked like he was going to tackle the guy and a woman walked up to the man and told him he was an embarrassment to Scotland. The guy turned a brighter colour of red that Tiger's Sunday shirt and shut up for the rest of the time he was on the tee...shame that wouldn't work with the baby booey goons over your side of the pond.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:11 PM

Golf is not a reactive sport. Some would say it’s not a sport, but rather a game.

You don’t see much yelling during a pool game, a chess game, an archery match, a pistol match, etc.

You don’t have to think very deeply to understand that.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:12 PM

View PostMattyO1984, on 21 February 2018 - 12:09 PM, said:

I remember at the Scottish Open in 2014. Someone yelled Mashed Potatoes on the 6th tee.

I am sure that Mickelson was playing with Lawrie. Lawrie looked like he was going to tackle the guy and a woman walked up to the man and told him he was an embarrassment to Scotland. The guy turned a brighter colour of red that Tiger's Sunday shirt and shut up for the rest of the time he was on the tee...shame that wouldn't work with the baby booey goons over your side of the pond.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:14 PM

TW won 14 majors dealing with that stuff. Good luck JT.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:17 PM

View PostSoloman1, on 21 February 2018 - 05:59 AM, said:

Uh, it’s not a golf problem. The ratio of morons per capita has increased exponentially.

If you don’t believe me, open a business and try to hire some people.

I have had some interesting conversations about this lately with a few successful people.  They were not even as nice as you were with the comments.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:22 PM

I would agree that the amount of drunks, etc. at tournament yelling 'mashed potatoes' has gotten out of hand. And the tournament's security should deal with those people, but they don't.  If you want to remove those obnoxious people, and I would agree, then actually remove them from all sporting events not just golf.  Cheering for players is great fun but the obnoxious people need to go.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:24 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 21 February 2018 - 11:42 AM, said:

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View PostZ1ggy16, on 21 February 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

I get where he's coming from, but in all fairness... almost all other major sports, the athletes are dealing with loud insane crowds the entire time. The only difference in golf, they can be a little closer to you then say... football. Some baseball player has to concentrate on hitting that 95mph fastball in game 7 of the World Series with 60,000 people yelling at the top of their lungs in the bottom of the 9th? What's the difference?

It kind of feels & sounds like a kid complaining who's had the luxury of being the best and getting everything he wants his whole life, just the way he wants it. Now that something like this is out of his control... he's lashing out a bit. Fairly lame thing to complain about when you're talking about hole 16 at WMO. Something like that would never happen on hole 72 of the Masters, for example.


Strange way to look at it.   Of course Augusta gets it right.  But what about Torrey pines ?  Or last week at Riviera ?  Plenty of yelling there.     Even Rickie Fowler complained about 16 at WM and they love him on that hole.    It's all swirling around the bowl from a manners and respect point of view. When someone like Labron is a role model for all things not just b ball we have issues.

Interesting quote. I'm not a huge LeBron fan, but he seems to be a decent guy. Married his high school sweetheart, very active in the community, gives to charity, contributes through his foundation, has provided thousands of scholarships, etc. What's your issue with him? Off topic, but just curious.

No way to elaborate on most points without breaking forum rules.  

But think me me me.  Lazy lazy lazy.  Just compared to previous generation stars of nba.  MJ Rodman bird Johnson etc. I donít recall ever watching a game where they were down and gave up and quit playing.  Labron will do it on the regular.  And have some excuse afterward.  Guy has probably most physical gifts to ever play nba. And sure heís done fine statistically.  But relative to talent level -and pay grade , not really.  Now heís a political activist.  I suppose thereís two ways to look at everything. And Iím likely to be looked at as old (38). But my 9 year old isnít idolizing anyone with that much quit and whine in him.  
THats on my top 5 things Iíd use a time machine for.  Take Labron back to let prime MJ D him up and shut him down. Original point being this is one of the fine examples todayís youth have as a measuring stick.  
   Someoneís sure to bring up MJ or Magicís persona life transgressions.  Sure.  And I guess thatís a valid argument.  But I was thinking purely in the public eye. The example set is pretty poor sportsmanship , poor teammate. And pretty poor attitude in general. To further the point and tie it to golf.  Justin Thomas who is one of the younger crowd says something like this and immediately is turned on. And part of my thought was that someone like Labron can go on any tirade he wants on his Vlog or whatever itís called and heís given news air time.  Kind of makes it easy to choose sides .  Thomas gained a few notches in my opinion and Iím not a huge fan of his game.   All my opinion. Not meant as anyone elseís gospel.  

Lol. Rant over.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:26 PM

the guy yelling mashed potatoes after a shot is incredibly annoying and unfunny....yet this isn't the problem i think players have with fans. the bigger problem is the guy yelling 'hurry up' seconds before a player begins their backswing, or yelling something out mid swing.

jt is most likely voicing an opinion that is held by the majority of players. calling him a whiner i find ridiculous. it has to be beyond tiring to deal with these morons on a weekly basis.

i think the answer is to get the players together, make it known to the commish they are tired of this, and then have a zero tolerance policy. post the policy and enforce it. a stern warning does nothing. escort the guy out who yells something mid swing or just before. if you snap a picture mid swing and your haven't silenced your camera....sorry come back tomorrow. start escorting these people out and fans will get the hint.

i can't stand people who's excuse to let this behavior continue is pointing to the fact these guys make a lot of money and therefor should just keep quiet.

as with pace of play, until the tour wants to get serious and actually enforce penalties nothing will change.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:28 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 21 February 2018 - 08:37 AM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 21 February 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

I get where he's coming from, but in all fairness... almost all other major sports, the athletes are dealing with loud insane crowds the entire time. The only difference in golf, they can be a little closer to you then say... football. Some baseball player has to concentrate on hitting that 95mph fastball in game 7 of the World Series with 60,000 people yelling at the top of their lungs in the bottom of the 9th? What's the difference?

It kind of feels & sounds like a kid complaining who's had the luxury of being the best and getting everything he wants his whole life, just the way he wants it. Now that something like this is out of his control... he's lashing out a bit. Fairly lame thing to complain about when you're talking about hole 16 at WMO. Something like that would never happen on hole 72 of the Masters, for example.


Strange way to look at it.   Of course Augusta gets it right.  But what about Torrey pines ?  Or last week at Riviera ?  Plenty of yelling there. Even Rickie Fowler complained about 16 at WM and they love him on that hole. It's all swirling around the bowl from a manners and respect point of view.  When someone like Labron is a role model for all things not just b ball we have issues.
I don't know why you think it's a strange way to view it. Golfers are pro athletes, getting (potentially) millions of dollars to play this sport as their job just like any footballer, baseball player, etc.

Golf has always been a "small time" sport in popularity, with a certain tradition behind it such that all patrons at the match are to remain quiet and respectful at all times. People complain golf isn't growing... "we need to grow the game!!' they say. Well... this is what you get when golf becomes popular in America - You get typical Americans to show up. We are as a whole (not just a golf community, but I'm talking EVERYBODY) loud, fat, lazy and stupid compared to a lot of our oversea friends. It's no surprise that you stack 30,000 "typical" people in a stadium with Booze that they willg et loud, crazy and unruly.

I did not attend the Gene Open last week but I did stream about 90% of it Thurs-Sun. I didn't see anything remotely close to 16 @ WMO. Maybe I had to be there in person, but I didn't get the sense that 30,000 drunk idiots were screaming all over the place. Events I've attended... Most everybody was respectful.

The people yelling crap after a swing... yes, it's annoying and childish, it makes you look kind of dumb as a person. But.. so much more worse is said and done at other events, it's just never heard on TV or by that guy playing 200ft away. All sporting events deal with this crap. There isn't any room though in golf for people yelling during or before swings... you should definitely get the boot for that.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:29 PM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 21 February 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

I get where he's coming from, but in all fairness... almost all other major sports, the athletes are dealing with loud insane crowds the entire time. The only difference in golf, they can be a little closer to you then say... football. Some baseball player has to concentrate on hitting that 95mph fastball in game 7 of the World Series with 60,000 people yelling at the top of their lungs in the bottom of the 9th? What's the difference?

It kind of feels & sounds like a kid complaining who's had the luxury of being the best and getting everything he wants his whole life, just the way he wants it. Now that something like this is out of his control... he's lashing out a bit. Fairly lame thing to complain about when you're talking about hole 16 at WMO. Something like that would never happen on hole 72 of the Masters, for example.

sometimes i wonder if some of the people on these forums even play golf.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:31 PM

View PostMrWolf, on 21 February 2018 - 07:43 AM, said:

Thomas is spot on. It's also scary how many apologists there are for this sort of behaviour.

Unfortunately the issue is only going to get worse. Alcohol = more bunce in the coffers for the Tour which is the only thing they care about.

This plus the fact that Tiger is drawing record crowds and thats what the PGA wants. The more people you draw the louder its gonna get.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:33 PM

View PostHoosierMizuno, on 21 February 2018 - 12:29 PM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 21 February 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

I get where he's coming from, but in all fairness... almost all other major sports, the athletes are dealing with loud insane crowds the entire time. The only difference in golf, they can be a little closer to you then say... football. Some baseball player has to concentrate on hitting that 95mph fastball in game 7 of the World Series with 60,000 people yelling at the top of their lungs in the bottom of the 9th? What's the difference?

It kind of feels & sounds like a kid complaining who's had the luxury of being the best and getting everything he wants his whole life, just the way he wants it. Now that something like this is out of his control... he's lashing out a bit. Fairly lame thing to complain about when you're talking about hole 16 at WMO. Something like that would never happen on hole 72 of the Masters, for example.

sometimes i wonder if some of the people on these forums even play golf.
Well... what's the difference? As long as it's just a noise at a fairly constant dB level, a professional should be able to zone that out. Sudden spikes or drops in background noise can certainly throw anybody off. I'm talking about the specific issue at WMO. It's fairly obvious a loud noise right in the middle of your swing (or any sporting move, not just golf) would screw you up.



I think the key difference and where I get where JT is coming from, is for him... he's playing for his salary and I get that. Aaron Judge is making millions a year hitting bombs whether or not he had 4 backwards K's or 4 grand slams in a game. I just think that complaining about 'loud noises' at a venue specifically inclined to make you want to yell loud annoying things, is weaksauce. Otherwise, I'm on his side.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:36 PM

Did he say that just so he will be heckled more?
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:37 PM

View Postbthomps33, on 21 February 2018 - 12:04 PM, said:

Are there any other professional sporting events that demand silence from their fans? Why should golf be different? A good pro is able to drown out the distractions and focus just like pros in other sports.

i want to follow you around for 18 and yell stupid things in your backswing and then get your opinions after. i'll tell you to just block me out.

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