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#1141 thug the bunny

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:54 AM

View PostBiggErn, on 14 March 2018 - 12:43 AM, said:

View Postthug the bunny, on 13 March 2018 - 11:41 PM, said:

View PostBiggErn, on 13 March 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

View Postnbg352, on 13 March 2018 - 12:36 PM, said:

View PostBiggErn, on 13 March 2018 - 12:02 PM, said:

I don’t get the “gentleman” thing. This isn’t a formal event among dignitaries. It’s a sporting event where guys are playing a GAME with thousands of people watching them having a good time while the events push alcohol sales. That said I’m sure people that hadn’t drank a drop still yell “mash potatoes” and all the other silly stuff that affects NO ONE. It’s sad that so many can’t go out in public and not be offended by everything someone else does regardless of how stupid or silly it is. I wouldn’t condone guys purposely yelling in backswings and things like that but no one is being hurt physically or their scores.....only their feelings.
yes, we know you don't get it.......

Guess I don’t where they’re selling $9 beers and logo golf balls.

What...does that have to do with the thread topic??? Golf is not football. Golf is not basketball. Golf is not soccer. Golf is not rugby (although ge12 pointed out that even in rugby crowds are quiet when the ball is being put in play). As I have asked a few times, would you yell against a skater at a figure skating competition? If no, why not? Would you heckle a runner about to start a 400m race? If not, why not? Would you yell at an archer to miss right after firing a shot? If not, why not? Etc, etc, etc, etc...


Golf is not running. Golf is not skating. Golf is not anything you said. If you’re gonna play with analogies do better. So what did anything you say have to do with the thread topic?  Notta

So why are your references of 'all other sports' valid analogies? I was just trying to point out some sports that are not the same as football, etc. So regarding the subject of crowd etiquette, the sports I mentioned ARE analogous to golf in that the fans DON'T yell against competitors. Don't you get it yet??? Anything sinking in???  Alright. I'm done. This is stupid.

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#1142 BiggErn

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:26 AM

It’s a sporting event where they play a game. If you think golf is more comparable to figure skating than football that’s your opinion. If you think crowds at golf tournaments are more comparable to figure skating crowds that’s your opinion. Not a good analogy and that’s my opinion. Lol. Again with the insults but that’s ok. Not trolling I just don’t care if a guy playing a game for a living gets his feelings hurt because someone isn’t pulling for him.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 05:24 AM

View PostBiggErn, on 14 March 2018 - 01:26 AM, said:

Itís a sporting event where they play a game. If you think golf is more comparable to figure skating than football thatís your opinion. If you think crowds at golf tournaments are more comparable to figure skating crowds thatís your opinion. Not a good analogy and thatís my opinion. Lol. Again with the insults but thatís ok. Not trolling I just donít care if a guy playing a game for a living gets his feelings hurt because someone isnít pulling for him.
Thats not the issue. You either can't understand or choose not to. I think most of us understand why.
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 05:44 AM

Thug,
Using the full browser version, not mobile version, go up to the top right, click your display name and you will find a option for ignore prefs. You can add users that you want to ignore there. Works great.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:24 AM

View PostBlackDiamondPar5, on 14 March 2018 - 05:44 AM, said:

Thug,
Using the full browser version, not mobile version, go up to the top right, click your display name and you will find a option for ignore prefs. You can add users that you want to ignore there. Works great.

Thanks man. Never needed to do this before..


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:27 AM

View PostBiggErn, on 14 March 2018 - 01:26 AM, said:

It’s a sporting event where they play a game. If you think golf is more comparable to figure skating than football that’s your opinion. If you think crowds at golf tournaments are more comparable to figure skating crowds that’s your opinion. Not a good analogy and that’s my opinion. Lol. Again with the insults but that’s ok. Not trolling I just don’t care if a guy playing a game for a living gets his feelings hurt because someone isn’t pulling for him.
idonno thug callin' ya "troll" might be a compliment. I've  been referred to as worse on here.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:19 PM

View PostBiggErn, on 14 March 2018 - 01:26 AM, said:

Itís a sporting event where they play a game. If you think golf is more comparable to figure skating than football thatís your opinion. If you think crowds at golf tournaments are more comparable to figure skating crowds thatís your opinion. Not a good analogy and thatís my opinion. Lol. Again with the insults but thatís ok. Not trolling I just donít care if a guy playing a game for a living gets his feelings hurt because someone isnít pulling for him.

So do you simply find the long-standing (albeit rapidly fading) tradition of the polite, well-mannered, classy golf fan old-fashioned and in need of elimination?  Itís seems through your posts that not only do you enjoy the current dB golf fan culture, but find the traditional culture completely unappealing.  Why?
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:04 PM

Society is going downhill.
Some don't see it.  Those are the ones that are part of the problem.
Golf is just a reflection of society at large.

People didn't used to shoot up schools in their teen years because they
felt like the losers they were.

So, if you really think about it, these schmucks yelling "mashed potatoes"
are complicit in the deaths of innocent kids and teachers.

That bothers me.  I think.
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:39 PM

View Post3jacker, on 14 March 2018 - 01:04 PM, said:

Society is going downhill.
Some don't see it.  Those are the ones that are part of the problem.
Golf is just a reflection of society at large.

People didn't used to shoot up schools in their teen years because they
felt like the losers they were.

So, if you really think about it, these schmucks yelling "mashed potatoes"
are complicit in the deaths of innocent kids and teachers.

That bothers me.  I think.


Man I hope that last bit was sarcasm! I agree partly to the first part where society is changing to an entitled spoiled bunch that expects something for nothing and their actions should have no consequences, at least adverse consequences. Then again people didn’t use to be offended by everything either. Imagine back in the day when Jack was heckled when playing with Arnold. He said he didn’t hear anything he was playing golf. Imagine someone throwing a cigarette butt in the middle of the fairway at Augusta National like Arnie did back in the day.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:58 PM

Yes. It was sarcasm.
Or just plain nonsense.
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Posted 17 March 2018 - 07:05 PM

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Posted 17 March 2018 - 07:08 PM

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Posted 17 March 2018 - 07:43 PM

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Posted 17 March 2018 - 07:45 PM

Thanks for sharing. Play golf. VAST MAJORITY, whoíve come before, (Jack, Monty, Sergio, Tiger) just tune it out and play golf.  Week minded, in my book!

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Posted 17 March 2018 - 07:48 PM

View PostDano golf, on 17 March 2018 - 07:45 PM, said:

Thanks for sharing. Play golf. VAST MAJORITY, whoíve come before, (Jack, Monty, Sergio, Tiger) just tune it out and play golf.  Week minded, in my book!
I'm unfamiliar with the week you speak of.


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Posted 17 March 2018 - 07:50 PM

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Posted 17 March 2018 - 08:08 PM

Skiing on a par 5, can be extremely dangerous!!!

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 07:29 AM

The movie Idiocracy really sums up where we are headed. https://en.wikipedia...i/Idiocracy††It was referenced earlier in the thread. If you can imagine the dumbest kid that you knew in grade school (who knows what ever happens to those kids) and imagine the whole world is populated by these people. If you haven't seen it, it's worth watching, funny and frightening at the same time.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:09 AM

View Postcxx, on 18 March 2018 - 07:29 AM, said:

The movie Idiocracy really sums up where we are headed. https://en.wikipedia...i/Idiocracy††It was referenced earlier in the thread. If you can imagine the dumbest kid that you knew in grade school (who knows what ever happens to those kids) and imagine the whole world is populated by these people. If you haven't seen it, it's worth watching, funny and frightening at the same time.

Yes it is a cringe moment to think we may well be headed here...

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:17 AM

View Postcxx, on 18 March 2018 - 07:29 AM, said:

The movie Idiocracy really sums up where we are headed. https://en.wikipedia...i/Idiocracy††It was referenced earlier in the thread. If you can imagine the dumbest kid that you knew in grade school (who knows what ever happens to those kids) and imagine the whole world is populated by these people. If you haven't seen it, it's worth watching, funny and frightening at the same time.

Ccx, I've referenced that movie several times (I think a couple times in this thread).  It is frightening in how prophetic it's starting to appear.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:27 AM

View Postdeadsolid...shank, on 18 March 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

View Postcxx, on 18 March 2018 - 07:29 AM, said:

The movie Idiocracy really sums up where we are headed. https://en.wikipedia...i/Idiocracy††It was referenced earlier in the thread. If you can imagine the dumbest kid that you knew in grade school (who knows what ever happens to those kids) and imagine the whole world is populated by these people. If you haven't seen it, it's worth watching, funny and frightening at the same time.

Ccx, I've referenced that movie several times (I think a couple times in this thread).  It is frightening in how prophetic it's starting to appear.

Yes, I wish it wasn't so true.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:27 AM

I am so late to this topic!  I like Justin Thomas and of course I take his side in this dispute.  Seeing Rory McIlroy's recent comments about alcohol sales was less satisfying but only because I hate to see alcohol be blamed for what is a more fundamental behavioral problem at American golf tournaments in recent years.

So what I wanted to do was to propose a response.  It would be to place on everyone's ticket a prominent warning about behavior that is unbecoming for golf tournaments under the game's etiquette.  And warn people that they will be expelled for violating etiquette.  And alongside that warning, the telephone number of tournament security so that if I am standing next to a guy who yells, "Baba booey!", I can call security and point him out when they get there.

I really think that we can mobilize vast numbers of civilized gallery members to combat the problem; it does help to have the players involved of course.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:36 AM

View Post15th Club, on 18 March 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

I am so late to this topic!  I like Justin Thomas and of course I take his side in this dispute.  Seeing Rory McIlroy's recent comments about alcohol sales was less satisfying but only because I hate to see alcohol be blamed for what is a more fundamental behavioral problem at American golf tournaments in recent years.

So what I wanted to do was to propose a response.  It would be to place on everyone's ticket a prominent warning about behavior that is unbecoming for golf tournaments under the game's etiquette.  And warn people that they will be expelled for violating etiquette.  And alongside that warning, the telephone number of tournament security so that if I am standing next to a guy who yells, "Baba booey!", I can call security and point him out when they get there.

I really think that we can mobilize vast numbers of civilized gallery members to combat the problem; it does help to have the players involved of course.

Maybe someone could develop an app that would link into tournament security and allow people to report problems in real time. Security would know the location and the picture of the offender and dispatch someone to escort the person out.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:04 AM

View Postcxx, on 18 March 2018 - 09:36 AM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 18 March 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

I am so late to this topic!  I like Justin Thomas and of course I take his side in this dispute.  Seeing Rory McIlroy's recent comments about alcohol sales was less satisfying but only because I hate to see alcohol be blamed for what is a more fundamental behavioral problem at American golf tournaments in recent years.

So what I wanted to do was to propose a response.  It would be to place on everyone's ticket a prominent warning about behavior that is unbecoming for golf tournaments under the game's etiquette.  And warn people that they will be expelled for violating etiquette.  And alongside that warning, the telephone number of tournament security so that if I am standing next to a guy who yells, "Baba booey!", I can call security and point him out when they get there.

I really think that we can mobilize vast numbers of civilized gallery members to combat the problem; it does help to have the players involved of course.

Maybe someone could develop an app that would link into tournament security and allow people to report problems in real time. Security would know the location and the picture of the offender and dispatch someone to escort the person out.

Yikes!  ... perish the thought of yet another big brother opportunity for people to misuse and abuse.

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I think a limit on the alcohol and lots of reminder signs that if you are disruptive in any way you will be tossed would probably get the job 99% done.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:09 AM

View PostDpavs, on 18 March 2018 - 10:04 AM, said:

View Postcxx, on 18 March 2018 - 09:36 AM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 18 March 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

I am so late to this topic!  I like Justin Thomas and of course I take his side in this dispute.  Seeing Rory McIlroy's recent comments about alcohol sales was less satisfying but only because I hate to see alcohol be blamed for what is a more fundamental behavioral problem at American golf tournaments in recent years.

So what I wanted to do was to propose a response.  It would be to place on everyone's ticket a prominent warning about behavior that is unbecoming for golf tournaments under the game's etiquette.  And warn people that they will be expelled for violating etiquette.  And alongside that warning, the telephone number of tournament security so that if I am standing next to a guy who yells, "Baba booey!", I can call security and point him out when they get there.

I really think that we can mobilize vast numbers of civilized gallery members to combat the problem; it does help to have the players involved of course.

Maybe someone could develop an app that would link into tournament security and allow people to report problems in real time. Security would know the location and the picture of the offender and dispatch someone to escort the person out.

Yikes!  ... perish the thought of yet another big brother opportunity for people to misuse and abuse.

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I think a limit on the alcohol and lots of reminder signs that if you are disruptive in any way you will be tossed would probably get the job 99% done.

No, I think you have to embrace the power. Big brother is happening regardless. You just need to know enough to stay out of the picture.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:14 AM

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I think a limit on the alcohol and lots of reminder signs that if you are disruptive in any way you will be tossed would probably get the job 99% done.

Yeah but I don't want any arbitrary limits on where and when I can find a drink on a warm day at a golf tournament.

And, I don't want to hear people yelling "Baba booey!"

Let's go after the offensive behavior directly.  Sipping a gin and tonic with a cigar in the shade isn't a problem.  Yelling and behaving badly is.  And no, this isn't "Big Brother" at all.  There's no state action in this debate.  No "free speech" questions.  It's a private matter, of conducting a private-sector event on private property.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:15 AM

View Postcxx, on 18 March 2018 - 07:29 AM, said:

The movie Idiocracy really sums up where we are headed. https://en.wikipedia...i/Idiocracy††It was referenced earlier in the thread. If you can imagine the dumbest kid that you knew in grade school (who knows what ever happens to those kids) and imagine the whole world is populated by these people. If you haven't seen it, it's worth watching, funny and frightening at the same time.

The dumbest kid I knew in grade school is now the CEO of a pretty big company around here. Why? Good networking by his father and he himself knows how to charm people. Obviously that's enough.
I see a gap. There definitely is a gap.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:43 AM

View Postcxx, on 18 March 2018 - 10:09 AM, said:

View PostDpavs, on 18 March 2018 - 10:04 AM, said:

View Postcxx, on 18 March 2018 - 09:36 AM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 18 March 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

I am so late to this topic!  I like Justin Thomas and of course I take his side in this dispute.  Seeing Rory McIlroy's recent comments about alcohol sales was less satisfying but only because I hate to see alcohol be blamed for what is a more fundamental behavioral problem at American golf tournaments in recent years.

So what I wanted to do was to propose a response.  It would be to place on everyone's ticket a prominent warning about behavior that is unbecoming for golf tournaments under the game's etiquette.  And warn people that they will be expelled for violating etiquette.  And alongside that warning, the telephone number of tournament security so that if I am standing next to a guy who yells, "Baba booey!", I can call security and point him out when they get there.

I really think that we can mobilize vast numbers of civilized gallery members to combat the problem; it does help to have the players involved of course.

Maybe someone could develop an app that would link into tournament security and allow people to report problems in real time. Security would know the location and the picture of the offender and dispatch someone to escort the person out.

Yikes!  ... perish the thought of yet another big brother opportunity for people to misuse and abuse.

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I think a limit on the alcohol and lots of reminder signs that if you are disruptive in any way you will be tossed would probably get the job 99% done.

No, I think you have to embrace the power. Big brother is happening regardless. You just need to know enough to stay out of the picture.
  

Yeah but you risk the idiots themselves abusing that technology. I think you have to give such a reporting system to the marshals to empower them so that those old folks don't have to challenge the morons directly and risk bodily harm.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:52 AM

View Postthug the bunny, on 18 March 2018 - 10:43 AM, said:

View Postcxx, on 18 March 2018 - 10:09 AM, said:

View PostDpavs, on 18 March 2018 - 10:04 AM, said:

View Postcxx, on 18 March 2018 - 09:36 AM, said:

View Post15th Club, on 18 March 2018 - 09:27 AM, said:

I am so late to this topic!  I like Justin Thomas and of course I take his side in this dispute.  Seeing Rory McIlroy's recent comments about alcohol sales was less satisfying but only because I hate to see alcohol be blamed for what is a more fundamental behavioral problem at American golf tournaments in recent years.

So what I wanted to do was to propose a response.  It would be to place on everyone's ticket a prominent warning about behavior that is unbecoming for golf tournaments under the game's etiquette.  And warn people that they will be expelled for violating etiquette.  And alongside that warning, the telephone number of tournament security so that if I am standing next to a guy who yells, "Baba booey!", I can call security and point him out when they get there.

I really think that we can mobilize vast numbers of civilized gallery members to combat the problem; it does help to have the players involved of course.

Maybe someone could develop an app that would link into tournament security and allow people to report problems in real time. Security would know the location and the picture of the offender and dispatch someone to escort the person out.

Yikes!  ... perish the thought of yet another big brother opportunity for people to misuse and abuse.

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I think a limit on the alcohol and lots of reminder signs that if you are disruptive in any way you will be tossed would probably get the job 99% done.

No, I think you have to embrace the power. Big brother is happening regardless. You just need to know enough to stay out of the picture.
  

Yeah but you risk the idiots themselves abusing that technology. I think you have to give such a reporting system to the marshals to empower them so that those old folks don't have to challenge the morons directly and risk bodily harm.

That's so reasonable. Sounds like the right balance to me.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 11:15 AM

To be sure, I am not asking that anyone else "challenge the morons", although I might be happy to do it myself.

The precise thing that I am encouraging tournament organizers to do, is to make the entire gallery the eyes and ears of tournament security.  In a more active way.  And give to security a real, true, active, responsive way to respond to reports.

Volunteer marshals aren't much more than the eyes and ears for security, just like fans.  It takes real security to throw somebody out.

But just think if a number of these cases hit the news; people tossed out of tournaments for bad behavior.  It would send a good message.

Go to any tournament and ask the players, the organizers and the most faithful, regular-attending fans what they think of the guys yelling "Mashed potatoes!" and "Baba booey!", and 9 out of 10 want it to stop.  Along with, naturally, the even-worse behavior.


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