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#1 CoolPercussion

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:33 AM

http://www.golfchann...y-unacceptable/

Is Justin Thomas justified in his complaints?  On one hand, I can see how large galleries can be a distraction to golfers.  (I know if I had to play in front of one it would cost me more than "a half shot per round")

On the other hand: POOR BABY!  Aww poor little Justin is playing in front of a big-boy gallery now.  Boo Hoo. Waaaaahhhhh!!! It must be so hard for you to be paired with Tiger and have to deal with the kinds of galleries that he has had to deal with FOR VIRTUALLY HIS ENTIRE CAREER!  Grow-up you spoiled, whiny brat.

Here's an idea, Justin:  continue to play like you did this week---keep yourself off the top page of the leaderboard---and then no one will want to come see you and you won't have to deal with large crowds anymore.  Just go the way of folks like Adam Schnek or Ryan Blaum.

Edited by CoolPercussion, 21 February 2018 - 12:44 AM.


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:45 AM

Nice rant

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:46 AM

I think he has a legitimate complaint. None of the players like distractions when they are hitting shots. Distractions can alter outcomes of tournaments.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:47 AM

View PostPotatohead, on 21 February 2018 - 12:45 AM, said:

Nice rant
Kinda turned into that, huh.  Didn't really mean for it to go that way but I couldn't help myself.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:53 AM

View Postaliikane, on 21 February 2018 - 12:46 AM, said:

I think he has a legitimate complaint. None of the players like distractions when they are hitting shots. Distractions can alter outcomes of tournaments.

I think that point is so very valid.  And that point was made in the article as well.  Something about them playing for a lot of money and a lot of points.  One stroke can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.  And maybe if people realized that then they would be a little more considerate as gallery members.


But people DONT'T realize that.  Especially when they have been spending the last 4 hours drinking cosmos at the Grey Goose 19th Hole centered around 2, 10, and 18.  And I think the more MATURE seasoned pros are better at managing the distractions that a massive gallery brings... it is the cost of success.  ANd if you can't handle it, then maybe you are not among the elite.


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 12:57 AM

I dont have a problem with his complaint.  He didn't say that a large gallery was the source of his frustration.  It was the yelling and pictures while swinging.  His quote seems to have a friendly, but annoyed, demeanor.  If anything I think he would be in the right to voice more frustration than he did.

Yes, the large galleries are something that groupings with TW will have to deal with, but that doesn't give them the right to affect the games of the players by distracting during a swing.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 01:01 AM

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I dont have a problem with his complaint.  He didn't say that a large gallery was the source of his frustration.  It was the yelling and pictures while swinging.  His quote seems to have a friendly, but annoyed, demeanor.  If anything I think he would be in the right to voice more frustration than he did.

Yes, the large galleries are something that groupings with TW will have to deal with, but that doesn't give them the right to affect the games of the players by distracting during a swing.

The larger the gallery, the more loud, annoying, drunk, inconsiderate douchebags there will be.. I suspect it might even be an exponential curve if plotted

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 01:08 AM

View PostCoolPercussion, on 21 February 2018 - 01:01 AM, said:

View Postblink3665, on 21 February 2018 - 12:57 AM, said:

I dont have a problem with his complaint.  He didn't say that a large gallery was the source of his frustration.  It was the yelling and pictures while swinging.  His quote seems to have a friendly, but annoyed, demeanor.  If anything I think he would be in the right to voice more frustration than he did.

Yes, the large galleries are something that groupings with TW will have to deal with, but that doesn't give them the right to affect the games of the players by distracting during a swing.

The larger the gallery, the more loud, annoying, drunk, inconsiderate douchebags there will be.. I suspect it might even be an exponential curve if plotted

So why should anyone have to put up with that?  Why does his stance against "loud, annoying, drunk, inconsiderate dbs" mean he is a "spoiled whiney brat"?  I think that makes him normal.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 02:33 AM

Yeah it's definitely gotten out of hand.   I'll never understand all the yelling after tee shots and how some people must really get off on uhhh I guess just yelling in public.  I remember as a kid lighting off a few firecrackers and thought, 'oh that was kinda cool'.  That was the first and last time I lit off firecrackers.  Some people have an endless supply of matches.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 03:18 AM

I don't disagree, it's becoming an issue on the PGA Tour, especially in the tournaments where Tiger is playing


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 03:39 AM

He has a point, although it may backfire on him from a PR point of view if he becomes the major campaigner for quiet crowds. Also not sure if it costs Tiger half a stroke, he is used to it. His playing partners struggle with the circus, people moving to the next tee box before they have putted out etc.

The other thing is that golf is fairly unusual in terms of demanding silence from crowds. Can't imagine a basketball crowd hushing because someone is taking a shot, I wonder if "quiet please" will still be the norm in 50 or 100 years.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 03:51 AM

100 percent correct.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 04:10 AM

It's okay to aspire to have a crowd each week that acts like the one at the Masters.

The reality is that the only reason these guys get to play for crazy $$s is because of the crowds. I totally get that it would be annoying if someone distracted me at a key time in a shot, but he needs to deal with this in a different way by coming at it from the perspective of being lucky to have the chance to play for the huge $$s and the distractions being something that just goes with that privilege.

If you choose to come at it from the angle that you are entitled to zero distractions and almost that the big money would be there without the crowds then you are setting yourself up to get frustrated as it is simply not realistic week in week out. I also think it is bad PR for Thomas, I have zero issues with expressing an opinion over trying to help promote the correct behaviour, but don't link it to money, that's biting the hand that feeds you which is why some in this thread have chosen to use the label "spoilt".

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 04:10 AM

View PostCoolPercussion, on 21 February 2018 - 12:33 AM, said:

http://www.golfchann...y-unacceptable/

Is Justin Thomas justified in his complaints?  On one hand, I can see how large galleries can be a distraction to golfers.  (I know if I had to play in front of one it would cost me more than "a half shot per round")

On the other hand: POOR BABY!  Aww poor little Justin is playing in front of a big-boy gallery now.  Boo Hoo. Waaaaahhhhh!!! It must be so hard for you to be paired with Tiger and have to deal with the kinds of galleries that he has had to deal with FOR VIRTUALLY HIS ENTIRE CAREER!  Grow-up you spoiled, whiny brat.

Here's an idea, Justin:  continue to play like you did this week---keep yourself off the top page of the leaderboard---and then no one will want to come see you and you won't have to deal with large crowds anymore.  Just go the way of folks like Adam Schnek or Ryan Blaum.

Dislike your perspective that JT needs to get used to those larger galleries. I dont think that is the problem. its the drunken morons who yell on backswings and on important putts. If there is going to be noise, make it a constant noise. If there is supposed to be relative silence, and I hear someone yell some B.S on my backstroke for an important putt, it would bother me too. I dont think the crowds bother anyone unless someone on Tour lives under a damn rock and has never played with a group of friends who will do anything to keep a match alive... conditioned to the distracts.  But the other BS is unnecessary and more precaution needs to be taken in my opinion. Active crowd patrol and searching for over-rowdy individuals to remove from the situation before it becomes a problem

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 04:55 AM

View PostCoolPercussion, on 21 February 2018 - 12:33 AM, said:

http://www.golfchann...y-unacceptable/

Is Justin Thomas justified in his complaints?  On one hand, I can see how large galleries can be a distraction to golfers.  (I know if I had to play in front of one it would cost me more than "a half shot per round")

On the other hand: POOR BABY!  Aww poor little Justin is playing in front of a big-boy gallery now.  Boo Hoo. Waaaaahhhhh!!! It must be so hard for you to be paired with Tiger and have to deal with the kinds of galleries that he has had to deal with FOR VIRTUALLY HIS ENTIRE CAREER!  Grow-up you spoiled, whiny brat.

Here's an idea, Justin:  continue to play like you did this week---keep yourself off the top page of the leaderboard---and then no one will want to come see you and you won't have to deal with large crowds anymore.  Just go the way of folks like Adam Schnek or Ryan Blaum.

You see the same with tennis and us open vs for example wimbledon.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 04:55 AM

View PostPleasedwith3putts, on 21 February 2018 - 04:10 AM, said:

It's okay to aspire to have a crowd each week that acts like the one at the Masters.

The reality is that the only reason these guys get to play for crazy $$s is because of the crowds. I totally get that it would be annoying if someone distracted me at a key time in a shot, but he needs to deal with this in a different way by coming at it from the perspective of being lucky to have the chance to play for the huge $$s and the distractions being something that just goes with that privilege.

If you choose to come at it from the angle that you are entitled to zero distractions and almost that the big money would be there without the crowds then you are setting yourself up to get frustrated as it is simply not realistic week in week out. I also think it is bad PR for Thomas, I have zero issues with expressing an opinion over trying to help promote the correct behaviour, but don't link it to money, that's biting the hand that feeds you which is why some in this thread have chosen to use the label "spoilt".

Agree with this. I think it would be much better if he dealt with this behind closed doors e.g. by getting some other influential players on board and then lobbying the commissioner about it.

He is running the risk of a small but vocal minority becoming very anti JT (already had someone in this thread ranting) and heckling him at tournaments and making things miserable for him. Think of how Colin Montgomerie was heckled in the US.

It's a particularly risky move for JT because he suffers from Resting B#tch Face so public opinion could easily go South.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 05:59 AM

Uh, it’s not a golf problem. The ratio of morons per capita has increased exponentially.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 06:04 AM

View Postblink3665, on 21 February 2018 - 01:08 AM, said:

View PostCoolPercussion, on 21 February 2018 - 01:01 AM, said:

View Postblink3665, on 21 February 2018 - 12:57 AM, said:

I dont have a problem with his complaint.  He didn't say that a large gallery was the source of his frustration.  It was the yelling and pictures while swinging.  His quote seems to have a friendly, but annoyed, demeanor.  If anything I think he would be in the right to voice more frustration than he did.

Yes, the large galleries are something that groupings with TW will have to deal with, but that doesn't give them the right to affect the games of the players by distracting during a swing.

The larger the gallery, the more loud, annoying, drunk, inconsiderate douchebags there will be.. I suspect it might even be an exponential curve if plotted

So why should anyone have to put up with that?  Why does his stance against "loud, annoying, drunk, inconsiderate dbs" mean he is a "spoiled whiney brat"?  I think that makes him normal.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 06:08 AM

It only seems to be happening on Thursday and Friday, so....
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 06:17 AM

Remove the booze in all sporting events. If you can't enjoy a sporting event without getting drunk and stupid, you shouldn't be there in the first place.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 06:38 AM

I can't believe some of you calling JT spoiled. There should be zero tolerance for drunken, loud buffoonish behavior at golf tournaments... Just like it was pre-2000ish.


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:02 AM

Every week there are posts on here calling out the stupidity of people yelling scrambled eggs bababooey get in the hole woohoo and 5 pages of posts then agree it is stupid.

Justin Thomas says the same thing and heís a spoiled brat?

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:05 AM

Letís not forget these golfers are our entertainment. Donít let the money they make fool you.  Many of you serve a far greater purpose to this world than they do. Itís just a game and none of them should take themselves that seriously.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:21 AM

Pick on Justin Thomas then, despite the fact that Tiger and Rory McIlroy said the same thing...

There were people that thought they were having intimate conversations with Tiger last week, shouting out "great putt, just we love you" and all this stuff. In any other sport, people would be in a stand, and it would be drowned out in the noise. In golf, that person could be telling you this on your shoulder while you are in the middle of your backswing, especially with Tiger hitting it so crooked.

I'd say if you asked most pros, they would find the 16th hole with hundreds of thousands of people cheering at TPC Scottsdale less distracting than a singular voice in a crowd.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:33 AM

This train has already left the station though. Somewhat of a moot point. You can not like it but yelling is going to keep happening because all it takes is one person, and it's become part of golf fandom.

The good thing is the large galleries usually follow guys already making a lot of money

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:42 AM

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:43 AM

Thomas is spot on. It's also scary how many apologists there are for this sort of behaviour.

Unfortunately the issue is only going to get worse. Alcohol = more bunce in the coffers for the Tour which is the only thing they care about.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:58 AM

The solution is easy. Establish a code of conduct, publish it at the gates and put it on the back of tickets and tell people to read it when they enter. Make sure they know there is zero tolerance and that they will be thrown out for violating.

This would resolve most of the issues.

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:10 AM

View Postimakaveli, on 21 February 2018 - 03:18 AM, said:

I don't disagree, it's becoming an issue on the PGA Tour, especially in the tournaments where Tiger is playing

I disagree a little, it's been an issue for quite some time even with Tiger away.  He draws larger galleries in general, but the problems have been pretty well documented the last few years.  Seems like issues more and more with tournaments shortly after Waste Management in late winter carrying over to Florida, but it has been creeping in to others as well.  There are some holes in the tourney upcoming that have grandstands that have been a problem and as I recall were a problem last year.  No doubt it will be worse with Tiger in the field just as a matter of averages with more folks in the gallery.
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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:10 AM

View PostSoloman1, on 21 February 2018 - 05:59 AM, said:

Uh, it’s not a golf problem. The ratio of morons per capita has increased exponentially.

If you don’t believe me, open a business and try to hire some people.



10000% yes!!!!!^^^^^  its just a good barometer of the world we have now.... idiots rule...  i dont mean politics.. so dont go there... Its the social media influence.. you cant take an idiot and "drop him" outside the gate anymore... someone will film it and sue. ....same problem with kids... you cant put the fear of god into them anymore without trouble.. So you get what we have now.. zero respect for self and others.

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