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#1 User is offline   Bomb and Gouge 

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Post icon  Posted 21 April 2008 - 12:43 PM

Ok, I move my ball marker on the green because it's in someone else's line. When it's my turn to putt, can I place the ball where it was originally marked or do I have to re-mark it and then place my ball?
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 01:04 PM

The best way would be to move the ball marker to the original spot and then replace the ball. That said, I think it is ok to replace the ball without remarking. Just be careful that you first replace the ball then lift the ball marker.
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 01:20 PM

You should reverse mimic the way you moved your marker. That way you remove any doubt that you are putting it in the correct spot.
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 07:28 PM

When your ball or ball marker is in someone elses line. You have too:

if it is the ball, you have to mark it FIRST then move it left or right. Most use the putter head and pick out a spot in the distance to point it to then move the marker to the tip of the putter. Then when it is your turn you have to do it in reverse, point to the original spot in the distance with the putter and move it bak to its ORIGINAL spot.

If you already marked then just do a above.

MOst don't know you have to mark it first then move the mark itself.

ALso on another note if you are off the green and say you chip up and a playing partner marks for you and picks up your ball, then he has to replace the ball for you when you are ready to put, who ever marks it has to put the ball back.
hope that helps.
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 07:41 PM

View Postbuggyman, on Apr 21 2008, 08:28 PM, said:

When your ball or ball marker is in someone elses line. You have too:

if it is the ball, you have to mark it FIRST then move it left or right. Most use the putter head and pick out a spot in the distance to point it to then move the marker to the tip of the putter. Then when it is your turn you have to do it in reverse, point to the original spot in the distance with the putter and move it bak to its ORIGINAL spot.

If you already marked then just do a above.

MOst don't know you have to mark it first then move the mark itself.

ALso on another note if you are off the green and say you chip up and a playing partner marks for you and picks up your ball, then he has to replace the ball for you when you are ready to put, who ever marks it has to put the ball back.
hope that helps.



The last comment about the person who originally marked your ball has to replace it has been changed i believe. At least that is what i was told but you may want to double check the rule.
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 07:41 PM

View Postbuggyman, on Apr 21 2008, 07:28 PM, said:

ALso on another note if you are off the green and say you chip up and a playing partner marks for you and picks up your ball, then he has to replace the ball for you when you are ready to put, who ever marks it has to put the ball back.
hope that helps.


You 100% sure about that?
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 07:43 PM

I did not know it was changed. IF it was sorry about that, now I have doubt.....


It may have changed. I used to be very up on the rules 10 years ago when I was a club pro. But have only starting playing again 12 months ago after not playing for 5 years.
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 07:45 PM

View PostBomb and Gouge, on Apr 21 2008, 08:41 PM, said:

View Postbuggyman, on Apr 21 2008, 07:28 PM, said:

ALso on another note if you are off the green and say you chip up and a playing partner marks for you and picks up your ball, then he has to replace the ball for you when you are ready to put, who ever marks it has to put the ball back.
hope that helps.


You 100% sure about that?

That rule was changed two years ago. If someone marks for you, they no longer have to replace your ball. You can do it yourself.
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 07:50 PM

View PostLong Shot, on Apr 21 2008, 07:45 PM, said:

That rule was changed two years ago. If someone marks for you, they no longer have to replace your ball. You can do it yourself.



Or anyone the player authorizes, right? (caddy, partner, competitor)
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Posted 06 July 2008 - 09:00 PM

Just going through some old threads, I found some unresolved issues here...


Procedure for moving away from another players line:

When moving a ball or ball-marker to the side to prevent it from interfering with another player’s stance or stroke, the player may measure from the side of the ball or ball-marker. In order to accurately replace the ball on the spot from which it was lifted, the steps used to move the ball or ball-marker to the side should be reversed.

Please note the use of the words may and should. This procedure does not have to be followed, simply a reccomendation. All is well as long as the ball is returned to it's original spot.



Who replaces ball marked by fellow competitor?

20-3. Placing and Replacing a. By Whom and Where

A ball to be placed under the Rules must be placed by the player or his partner. If a ball is to be replaced, the player, his partner or the person who lifted or moved it must place it on the spot from which it was lifted or moved.



Sorry for being so late to this party, just wanted to make sure we have the correct answers.

Kevin
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Posted 06 July 2008 - 10:16 PM

From the Decisions on the Rules of Golf 2008

20-1/16 Method Used to Mark Position of Ball

Q. The Note to Rule 20-1 provides that "the position of a ball to be lifted should be marked by placing a ball-marker, a small coin or other similar object immediately behind the ball." Is a player penalized if he uses an object that is not similar to a ball-marker or small coin to mark the position of his ball?

A. No. The provision in the Note to Rule 20-1 is a recommendation of best practice, but there is no penalty for failing to act in accordance with the Note.

Examples of methods of marking the position of a ball that are not recommended, but are permissible, are as follows:
  • • placing the toe of a club at the side of, or behind, the ball;
• using a tee;

• using a loose impediment;

• scratching a line, provided the putting green is not tested (Rule 16-1d) and a line for putting is not indicated (Rule 8-2b). As this practice may cause damage to the putting green, it is discouraged.

However, under Rule 20-1 it is necessary to physically mark the position of the ball. Reference to an existing mark on the ground does not constitute marking the position of a ball. For example, it is not permissible to mark the position with reference to a blemish on the putting green.

When moving a ball or ball-marker to the side to prevent it from interfering with another player's stance or stroke, the player may measure from the side of the ball or ball-marker. In order to accurately replace the ball on the spot from which it was lifted, the steps used to move the ball or ball-marker to the side should be reversed. (Revised)

Moving the ball

A ball to be placed under the Rules must be placed by the player or his partner. If a ball is to be replaced, the player, his partner or the person who lifted or moved it must place it on the spot from which it was lifted or moved. If the ball is placed or replaced by any other person and the error is not corrected as provided in Rule 20-6, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke. In any such case, the player is responsible for any other breach of the Rules that occurs as a result of the placing or replacing of the ball. If a ball to be replaced is placed other than on the spot from which it was lifted or moved and the error is not corrected as provided in Rule 20-6, the player incurs the general penalty, loss of hole in match play or two strokes in stroke play, for a breach of the applicable Rule.

If you make a mistake replacing the ball but fix it before playing it...

20-6. Lifting Ball Incorrectly Substituted, Dropped or Placed

A ball incorrectly substituted, dropped or placed in a wrong place or otherwise not in accordance with the Rules but not played may be lifted, without penalty, and the player must then proceed correctly.


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Posted 07 July 2008 - 12:28 PM

labillyboy,

What point are you making?

Thanks,
Kevin
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 03:50 PM

I think labillyboy was simply providing some more reference material.
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Posted 07 July 2008 - 03:57 PM

Gotcha, he just reposted the entire decision that I had taken pieces from in my post. I thought maybe he was expanding upon what I had posted while explaining something I missed, and I wanted to learn something new from it.

Kevin
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