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Skepticism with Smash Factor, thoughts?


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#1 Happyday_J

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 02:23 PM

About a month ago I was fortunate to be at the PGA Merchandise Show in Orlando. On Demo Day, like most I got to test out all the latest product.

I was intrigued to try out the new Cobra F8+ driver and the results where eye opening and questioning at the same time.

I was able to hit the drive on Trackman that they had set up, and being later in the afternoon, was able to use Taylormade, Titleist and Callaway golf balls that had gotten scooped up by the range picker and found their way to the cobra tent.

After messing around with lofts, weight settings and shaft, once we found a set up I felt comfortable with, I started to get interesting readings on Trackman for smash factor:

1.56
1.58
1.58
1.56

Got those on 4 consecutive drives. I will state that upon inspection after each shot, those came right dead smack out of the middle.

The numbers seemed odd to me, thought the HIGHEST, MAYBE you can squeeze out is 1.52. Immediately I looked skeptical and asked the Cobra fitter, and he said they have been seeing that quite a bit since doing the Milled Face. Because it is computer generated, no need for allowance on face thickness to prevent human error on the machine. They can get the computer so tight to the tolerances now.

First thought was: It's clever, as sounded very much like a sales pitch, or could it be a jacked head, if so what are the implications of that!?

Four straight shots, on trackman with game golf balls, has me intrigued for your thoughts??


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 02:31 PM

It's probably nothing more than tolerance errors of how the head speed is being measured vs ball speed.  It's not all that uncommon to see with doppler units.  The other "milled face" comments, ignore them.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 02:34 PM

View PostHappyday_J, on 14 February 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

About a month ago I was fortunate to be at the PGA Merchandise Show in Orlando. On Demo Day, like most I got to test out all the latest product.

I was intrigued to try out the new Cobra F8+ driver and the results where eye opening and questioning at the same time.

I was able to hit the drive on Trackman that they had set up, and being later in the afternoon, was able to use Taylormade, Titleist and Callaway golf balls that had gotten scooped up by the range picker and found their way to the cobra tent.

After messing around with lofts, weight settings and shaft, once we found a set up I felt comfortable with, I started to get interesting readings on Trackman for smash factor:

1.56
1.58
1.58
1.56

Got those on 4 consecutive drives. I will state that upon inspection after each shot, those came right dead smack out of the middle.

The numbers seemed odd to me, thought the HIGHEST, MAYBE you can squeeze out is 1.52. Immediately I looked skeptical and asked the Cobra fitter, and he said they have been seeing that quite a bit since doing the Milled Face. Because it is computer generated, no need for allowance on face thickness to prevent human error on the machine. They can get the computer so tight to the tolerances now.

First thought was: It's clever, as sounded very much like a sales pitch, or could it be a jacked head, if so what are the implications of that!?

Four straight shots, on trackman with game golf balls, has me intrigued for your thoughts??

That seems like a juiced head to me, I'm no expert but I never trust demo heads.  I was fitted into the epic and was seeing 1.55 sf, but my miss is off the toe so that could explain it for me, but if you're getting that off the center I would find it suspicious as well.  Maybe some experts will chime in.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 02:55 PM

View PostHappyday_J, on 14 February 2018 - 02:23 PM, said:

About a month ago I was fortunate to be at the PGA Merchandise Show in Orlando. On Demo Day, like most I got to test out all the latest product.

I was intrigued to try out the new Cobra F8+ driver and the results where eye opening and questioning at the same time.

I was able to hit the drive on Trackman that they had set up, and being later in the afternoon, was able to use Taylormade, Titleist and Callaway golf balls that had gotten scooped up by the range picker and found their way to the cobra tent.

After messing around with lofts, weight settings and shaft, once we found a set up I felt comfortable with, I started to get interesting readings on Trackman for smash factor:

1.56
1.58
1.58
1.56

Got those on 4 consecutive drives. I will state that upon inspection after each shot, those came right dead smack out of the middle.

The numbers seemed odd to me, thought the HIGHEST, MAYBE you can squeeze out is 1.52. Immediately I looked skeptical and asked the Cobra fitter, and he said they have been seeing that quite a bit since doing the Milled Face. Because it is computer generated, no need for allowance on face thickness to prevent human error on the machine. They can get the computer so tight to the tolerances now.

First thought was: It's clever, as sounded very much like a sales pitch, or could it be a jacked head, if so what are the implications of that!?

Four straight shots, on trackman with game golf balls, has me intrigued for your thoughts??

Second this. Trackman doesn't account for impact location on the face. It just assumes center contact. I have seen some high smash factors when people are drilling it a little more off of the toe of the driver.
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Posted 14 February 2018 - 05:17 PM

View PostGolfrnut, on 14 February 2018 - 02:31 PM, said:

It's probably nothing more than tolerance errors of how the head speed is being measured vs ball speed.  It's not all that uncommon to see with doppler units.  The other "milled face" comments, ignore them.

Everyone is going to be scrutenized when it comes to the possibility of putting "hot" heads on the market, don't worry that much and play what you want.

What gets me is, 4 for 4 giving off that reading, one or two, sure a misread, but consistently and within the same ballpark

Oh I intend to as far as which driver to I'll be playing. Just curious if others have seen same results, or what their thoughts are on this experience.

Edited by Happyday_J, 14 February 2018 - 05:18 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 05:27 PM

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 05:57 PM

The consistency is good, the numbers are juiced. 1.50 considered about the best.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 06:43 PM

View PostJCAG, on 14 February 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

The consistency is good, the numbers are juiced. 1.50 considered about the best.

Can trackman be juiced? We've all heard of sims capable of doing so, but trackman?

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 07:34 PM

I even got a 1.61 on Trackman once. I assumed swingspeed was off. I was told radar can read different depending on head shape.

Id rather use a GC quad,I know Trackman it's the industry standard, but the quad seems better at reading everything.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:41 PM

Do you have any other swings to compare to? If so, check the clubhead speed vs those.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 03:55 AM

View PostHappyday_J, on 14 February 2018 - 06:43 PM, said:

View PostJCAG, on 14 February 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

The consistency is good, the numbers are juiced. 1.50 considered about the best.

Can trackman be juiced? We've all heard of sims capable of doing so, but trackman?

Distance maybe (with altitude settings) but I know of no way it can be done with ball speed or smash factor.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 08:13 AM

Too bad you couldn't hit your gamer driver along side the demo.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 12:56 PM

If I知 doing serious testing I知 hitting my gamer on the same monitor. I know where my numbers should max out at with my gamer and if I知 exceeding those numbers with my gamer then I知 highly skeptical. That smash factor seems whack.
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 01:53 PM

When getting those readings I知 sure your club head speed read significantly lower than shots with lower smash factor

Anyone who knows how to fit will keep an eye on ball speed and not smash as the most important factor when looking for distance

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