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Replace PW with a true wedge?


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#1 00bolt

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:16 PM

I currently have 3 Miura wedges that I love to go along with my CB irons that I also love.  But recently I keep running across alot of sets and people who have mixed bags.  For instance, my lower clubs would be MB and my longer clubs would remain CB.  or they replace the PW all together with another Miura wedge for example.

I know this is fairly common, but can someone tell me the reason or the possible benefit to this?  I have a few thoughts, but curious what others say.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:23 PM

I've heard pros say it's easier to flight.  The wedge head is usually more versatile around the green than a set wedge too.  I think you could say the wedge might be slightly more responsive in feel and give you slightly more consistent distance control (? I'd sure opinions will vary on that)

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:31 PM

Funny, I was wondering the same thing. Looking at iBlades. Wondering if I should go with the PW from the set, or 46* Glide 2.0?
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:56 PM

I have the iBlades, I also have a 46* Glide, here is what I found, the PW from the set is a bit more forgiving but not as workable and the 46* per se, other than that they are very similar, for me they both go the same distance (give or take a yard), spin is also about the same (again, give or take an RPM or two)...looks as well are a bit different, the 46 is more rounded to the PW from the set having a bit more straighter line, overall performance is very similar, again, for me...
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 12:58 PM

I broke my set pw on a tree. Checked for clearance on backswing but forgot about the follow thru. Snapped it in half over the trunk. Rather than hunting down another one i picked up a 46* vokey. Recently put matching shafts to my irons in it and my 52*. I’m never playing a stock pw again. It’s the same confidence and feel as your other wedges, why wouldn’t you want to have all matching?


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:02 PM

Its easier to flight the ball down, and they will normally have a slightly smaller head.

I have the same irons as you (great clubs) if I was ordering a new set I would get an MB 9 iron and wedge as the 46 Vokey is not a great shape to my eye and the 9 iron is hard to flight down.

It's hard to know as usually it's only possible to try a 6 or 7 iron.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:03 PM

This is the debate over stock set wedges vs. specialty wedges.

It depends a lot on what you want your wedges to do for you. Some golfers take a basic approach and hit all their wedges square-up/straight-on with no clubface manipulation. Other golfers like more heel and toe relief so they can open the face and get more bite, go toe-down-heel-up for chip and run, or for getting out of certain turf conditions. These golfers are the ones who will get the special sole grind and bounce combinations that fit their swing best.

Take a look at the Vokey, Cleveland, and Callaway web sites it you want to see some of the varieties of wedge grinds and lofts.

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Many casual golfers just go with the stock wedges from their iron set because they feel similar to the irons. Also, the set wedges usually mesh with the distance yardsticks of the numbered irons.

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Often golf club manufacturers make at least a GW to go with the PW of an iron set. The PW and GW are the wedges most likely to be hit on full shots. The SW and LW are more likely to be used just for partial shots.

Specialty GWs have been taking a beating lately, due to the better GWs in the iron sets. At the Thanksgiving Gateway PGA sectional clearance sale, I found two brand new 50° Callaway Mack Daddy 4 GWs for $105 (retail $149). I tracked down the origin's shop rep, and he said the GWs had set on the rack for three months and no one touched them. He wanted to unload them, saying he was losing out to iron set GWs.

When testing iron sets at demo days, I have found the GW or AW to be a touchy club. Half the time the set GW is a really solid club, other times it is clunky and hard to generate any consistent shots with it.

Back in the 1970s, I played a set of MacGregor MT irons that had a 10-iron instead of a PW. The 10i was great for full shots, but sometimes hung up or dug in too quick for greenside shots. Basically, it was more iron than wedge - had almost no bounce.

Edited by ChipNRun, 13 February 2018 - 01:14 PM.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:29 PM

I played an SM6 48* for a few rounds but ending up selling it. i didn't like it for full/partial shots from the fairway (115-130yds), but around the green it was much better. A set pw tends to be really springy and the ball jumps off the face around the green while the sm6 played like a true wedge. I got rid of it bc I just don't use my pw around the green that much. However I am trying to force myself to use one more so I may grab another 48*.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:58 PM

The true wedge is probably better for versatility around the green and partial shots from the fairway.  On a full swing comparison you might not notice a significant difference, unless you are a single digit handicap player and like a slightly lower ball flight.

Plus you get the opportunity to justify buying a new wedge more often!

The mb and cb combo iron is an interesting choice.  It makes sense for a lot of players.  I was watching a fitting of a player at Club Champion who was fit for that combo.  The fitter said that he suggested the combo because the player was a high-spin player and the mb allowed him to keep the trajectory down on the shorter irons.  This player really struck the ball well consistently so forgiveness in the short irons wasn’t as great of a factor.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:40 PM

interesting... i am a pretty high ball flight player.  Makes me wonder if something like this (MB in the PW and possibly 9) would be a good choice for me to try and keep flight down a little.  Thanks everyone for the input.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:35 PM

If your set PW is an MB, it's pointless to me. However, I should say that I don't ever use my PW around the green. If I had a cavity back PW and wanted to use it around the green, I'd maybe opt for the 46 or 47 degree wedge instead.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:37 PM

I have a 46 degree rtx 3 I’ve noticed greater spin especially from things like wet rough

I bent it strong because I heard they they don’t carry as far as iron set wedges

Strong wedges look a bit weird to me though

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:26 PM

When I bought my iron set last spring I opted for the Hot Metal GW to be included. Found my gaping to be off and had to switch it out for my 50* SM4 which is much more versatile and I can flight it better depending on the shot I want to hit. I almost always play full shots with my PW so I haven't had a reason to switch it out, and will use my 50* for knock downs and bump and runs. I'd argue it's preference more than anything, but also how you use your PW (or GW for that matter).
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:37 PM

I like using a wedge PW more than a set PW because I like looking down at a wedge head more, it is heavier than my set PW, and I feel like it gives me a little more versatility to be able to use it for shots around the green
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:56 PM

Can someone tell me the bounce angles (effective bounce angles?) on the Titleist 718 AP1 Pitching Wedge and the Titleist 718 MB 9-iron?

FYI:  They're the same loft (43 °)

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:40 PM

I prefer a 3-PW and preferable neutral lofts as much as possible.

The whole revamp/distance loft thing messed with my lofted wedge and longer iron side; I lost two trivial years trying to build a set like this.

I don’t like the the GW thing either when I can hit the same distance with a PW.

Would never play a cavity back wedge again.

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