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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:17 PM

View PostUSAF Retired E7, on 13 February 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

MJ is the best I've ever seen.  Always knew he'd play hard, and usually win through ability and mental toughness.

Lebron is probably the most physically gifted, but he takes too many games off of max effort and his passive aggressiveness make me not like him, at all.  Don't need him telling the public how basketball 'smart' his brain is.   What happened to the team he assembled?  What a B!?ch!!

Can't wait to see Lebron lose another final to Golden State this year.

One of my favorite MJ plays!!!

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:18 PM

View PostBoogieThumper, on 13 February 2018 - 02:17 PM, said:

View PostUSAF Retired E7, on 13 February 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

MJ is the best I've ever seen.  Always knew he'd play hard, and usually win through ability and mental toughness.

Lebron is probably the most physically gifted, but he takes too many games off of max effort and his passive aggressiveness make me not like him, at all.  Don't need him telling the public how basketball 'smart' his brain is.   What happened to the team he assembled?  What a B!?ch!!

Can't wait to see Lebron lose another final to Golden State this year.

One of my favorite MJ plays!!!

https://www.youtube....h?v=gqkcEthV0Gg
I just got chills watching that! Thanks for posting.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:46 PM

Jordan is the Goat

Donít use LeBrons Finals record as a knock. Heís drug bum teams to the finals, playeed in a weak conference and now has to beat a team that set a record for wins and then added a top 3 player.

Edited by scratchswinger, 13 February 2018 - 02:54 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:51 PM

View Postscratchswinger, on 13 February 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

Jordan is the Goat

Don’t use LeBrons Finals record as a knock. He’s drug bun teams to the finals, playeed in a weak conference and now has to beat a team that set a record for wins and then added a top 3 player.

I agree. Finals records are too dependant on both teammates, and how good the opponents are/were.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:02 PM

View Postscratchswinger, on 13 February 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

Don't use LeBrons Finals record as a knock. He's drug bun teams to the finals, playeed in a weak conference and now has to beat a team that set a record for wins and then added a top 3 player.

It's a knock.

How were the 2010 - 2011 or 2013 - 2014 Heat teams "bum"?

I'll give you the 2006 - 2007 Cavs...

It's not like Jordan was matched up against a bunch of tomato cans - in his first Championship run, every team he faced had at least one future hall of fame player on it.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:13 PM

View PostUSAF Retired E7, on 13 February 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

MJ is the best I've ever seen.  Always knew he'd play hard, and usually win through ability and mental toughness.

Lebron is probably the most physically gifted, but he takes too many games off of max effort and his passive aggressiveness make me not like him, at all.  Don't need him telling the public how basketball 'smart' his brain is.   What happened to the team he assembled?  What a B!?ch!!

Can't wait to see Lebron lose another final to Golden State this year.

One of my favorite MJ plays!!!

https://www.youtube....h?v=gqkcEthV0Gg

Hubert Davis' reaction is priceless!

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:30 PM

You really just have to watch the YouTube of their respective ďten bestĒ career plays.

Jordanís are in the category of: wow, I canít believe that was possible.

LeBronís are: big dude overpowers defender 1 on 1 and dunks.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:18 PM

View Postraynorfan1, on 13 February 2018 - 03:02 PM, said:

View Postscratchswinger, on 13 February 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

Don't use LeBrons Finals record as a knock. He's drug bun teams to the finals, playeed in a weak conference and now has to beat a team that set a record for wins and then added a top 3 player.

It's a knock.

How were the 2010 - 2011 or 2013 - 2014 Heat teams "bum"?

I'll give you the 2006 - 2007 Cavs...

It's not like Jordan was matched up against a bunch of tomato cans - in his first Championship run, every team he faced had at least one future hall of fame player on it.

I don't think Jordan / LeBron is even a discussion worth having. I just don't think LeBron's poor record in the NBA Finals is a deciding factor, it's not even close enough for their to be a deciding factor.

Almost every team that makes the Finals has a HOF player, that stat is really not that impressive. The last time a team made the Finals without a sure thing HOF player would be 2009 Magic and at that time Howard looked to be almost a guarantee before the injury bug got to him.

Lebron lost to all HOF players as well.... But again I don't think that even matters.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:38 PM

View Postscratchswinger, on 13 February 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 13 February 2018 - 03:02 PM, said:

View Postscratchswinger, on 13 February 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

Don't use LeBrons Finals record as a knock. He's drug bun teams to the finals, playeed in a weak conference and now has to beat a team that set a record for wins and then added a top 3 player.

It's a knock.

How were the 2010 - 2011 or 2013 - 2014 Heat teams "bum"?

I'll give you the 2006 - 2007 Cavs...

It's not like Jordan was matched up against a bunch of tomato cans - in his first Championship run, every team he faced had at least one future hall of fame player on it.

I don't think Jordan / LeBron is even a discussion worth having. I just don't think LeBron's poor record in the NBA Finals is a deciding factor, it's not even close enough for their to be a deciding factor.

Almost every team that makes the Finals has a HOF player, that stat is really not that impressive. The last time a team made the Finals without a sure thing HOF player would be 2009 Magic and at that time Howard looked to be almost a guarantee before the injury bug got to him.

Lebron lost to all HOF players as well.... But again I don't think that even matters.

Sure, every finals team - or most - have a future hall of fame player.

In 1991, Jordan faced a future hall of fame player in EVERY playoff round (Knicks/Ewing, 76ers/Barkley, Pistons/Thomas, Lakers/Johnson). Thatís a gauntlet.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:54 PM

View Postscratchswinger, on 13 February 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 13 February 2018 - 03:02 PM, said:

View Postscratchswinger, on 13 February 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

Don't use LeBrons Finals record as a knock. He's drug bun teams to the finals, playeed in a weak conference and now has to beat a team that set a record for wins and then added a top 3 player.

It's a knock.

How were the 2010 - 2011 or 2013 - 2014 Heat teams "bum"?

I'll give you the 2006 - 2007 Cavs...

It's not like Jordan was matched up against a bunch of tomato cans - in his first Championship run, every team he faced had at least one future hall of fame player on it.

I don't think Jordan / LeBron is even a discussion worth having. I just don't think LeBron's poor record in the NBA Finals is a deciding factor, it's not even close enough for their to be a deciding factor.

Almost every team that makes the Finals has a HOF player, that stat is really not that impressive. The last time a team made the Finals without a sure thing HOF player would be 2009 Magic and at that time Howard looked to be almost a guarantee before the injury bug got to him.

Lebron lost to all HOF players as well.... But again I don't think that even matters.

I agree with you on the Cavs finals teams, as i mentioned his performance beating the Warriors a couple of years ago is in the alltime pantheon of basketball.

But his Heat teams were very good and his supporting cast WAY better than most give them credit for. Not in terms of depth necessarily but in terms of star power.

You may recall how i was thoroughly mocked in our thread for writing that Chris Bosh was better than Kevin Love when Lebron returned to Cleveland. It was true then and it's clear now how true it was. Bosh re-invented himself as the most important defender on the Heat during their run, he was the perfect modern defender, a rim protector who could hedge out on guards and take part in all the trapping they did. He was Draymond Green before Draymond Green was adopted by stat geeks, and he had a killer midrange jumper (best in the league actually). Wade was also a great 2-way player who shot 50%. The Heat overall had the best FG percentages near the basket pretty much every year

Chris Bosh will be the sad lost star of the modern era. His injury killed his career right when everyone could have appreciated how great he was for the modern game with our modern analytics. A tremendous versatile defender who could give you 20-25 every night. Bobo heads critisized his rebounding without realizing his contesting guards 30 feet from the basket hurt those numbers

Lebron gets no sympathy from me for his losses with the Heat. Wade and Bosh were A1 running mates

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:56 PM

MJ and it ain't even close.

Nobody wanted it more and it showed. Dude was first team all defense ten times, defensive MVP once- forget about what he did on the other end of the court as we all know how amazing that show was..

I had the great pleasure of seeing dozens of his games live- greatest athlete of all time imo...

Pushed off against Utah- give me a freaking break.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:11 AM

View PostLeftyLuck, on 12 February 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

Lebron>Kobe
Lebron>Jordan.

Jordan had skill, but was a little on the skinny side. I think the physical power and strength of Lebron is what resonates the most with me. 6 foot 8, 265+lbs.
Kobe was a playmaker, very impressive. A little too selfish for my liking though.

What's most laughable about this post is the idea that MJ doesn't measure up because he wasn't physically as strong as LeBron.

MJ dominated at a time when the league was it's most physical, when teams designed their defense specifically to stop him. Pull up a few games of the bulls-Knicks or bulls-Pistons for a bit of a sample.  You think LeBron bitches now? It would have been a nonstop whine fest back in the early to mid 90's...

And don't get me started on the extra 1 1/2 to 2 steps he gets going to the bucket. How the refs don't call that EVERY time is beyond me.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:24 AM

View PostLeftyLuck, on 12 February 2018 - 10:23 PM, said:

Lebron AVERAGED! a triple double for the NBA finals.
Jordan had Pippen and he pushed off against the Jazz in Game 6.

And this is why Lebron is not the best. He does not make anybody around him better as Michael did. MJ made Pippen what he became, "a very good side piece"  Pippen never made MJ better. LJ is a lone wolf with great skills. Also MJ is listed at 6' 6" but was 6' 5" and all muscle. MJ was better on both ends of the court than LJ will ever be.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 09:01 AM

The difference as I've posted a couple of times already more long winded, was that MJ was a pure psycho. The stories of his wanting to murder people over ping pong are legendary. His HOF speech showed how he held grudges.

MJ existed to crush people. Winning 6 titles in a row in seasons where he played the full year is something we might not see again for a long time.

LeBron is fantastic again, but I think LeBron craves power and control as much as winning. If LeBron truly WANTED more titles he'd probably have more. Some of his behind the scenes stuff have hurt his team's, and that has to go against him
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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:01 AM

View PostMtlJeff, on 14 February 2018 - 09:01 AM, said:

If LeBron truly WANTED more titles he'd probably have more. Some of his behind the scenes stuff have hurt his team's, and that has to go against him

One of the LeBron "excuses" has been that his supporting cast has not been as good as it could have been. But - at least since he took his talents to South Beach - LeBron has been the defacto GM of every team he's been on. The fact that his supporting cast is not great actually is his fault.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:04 AM

View Posthogans71, on 14 February 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

View PostLeftyLuck, on 12 February 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

Lebron>Kobe
Lebron>Jordan.

Jordan had skill, but was a little on the skinny side. I think the physical power and strength of Lebron is what resonates the most with me. 6 foot 8, 265+lbs.
Kobe was a playmaker, very impressive. A little too selfish for my liking though.

What's most laughable about this post is the idea that MJ doesn't measure up because he wasn't physically as strong as LeBron.

MJ dominated at a time when the league was it's most physical, when teams designed their defense specifically to stop him. Pull up a few games of the bulls-Knicks or bulls-Pistons for a bit of a sample.  You think LeBron bitches now? It would have been a nonstop whine fest back in the early to mid 90's...

And don't get me started on the extra 1 1/2 to 2 steps he gets going to the bucket. How the refs don't call that EVERY time is beyond me.

Can you imagine if he had to go up against Mahorn and Laimbeer?
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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:07 AM

View Postraynorfan1, on 14 February 2018 - 10:01 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 14 February 2018 - 09:01 AM, said:

If LeBron truly WANTED more titles he'd probably have more. Some of his behind the scenes stuff have hurt his team's, and that has to go against him

One of the LeBron "excuses" has been that his supporting cast has not been as good as it could have been. But - at least since he took his talents to South Beach - LeBron has been the defacto GM of every team he's been on. The fact that his supporting cast is not great actually is his fault.

If your supporting cast isn’t up to snuff, why give the ball to one of them to take the last second shot?!

The great ones, Jordan, Bird, Kobe, even Magic who was a distributor, weren’t letting anyone else decide the game at crunch time.
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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:16 AM

View Postraynorfan1, on 14 February 2018 - 10:01 AM, said:

View PostMtlJeff, on 14 February 2018 - 09:01 AM, said:

If LeBron truly WANTED more titles he'd probably have more. Some of his behind the scenes stuff have hurt his team's, and that has to go against him

One of the LeBron "excuses" has been that his supporting cast has not been as good as it could have been. But - at least since he took his talents to South Beach - LeBron has been the defacto GM of every team he's been on. The fact that his supporting cast is not great actually is his fault.

LeBron manipulates a lot behind the scenes, his people are "sources" that leak stuff to the media about the team not being good enough, there being disfunction, unhappiness with coach etc. And then when something gets done he denies involvement. But everyone knows he made the decision...it's kind of silly but only this year I've started to hear major news sites (like ESPN) acknowledge this. And then once he leaves there's always players that get scapegoated again through backchannels. I mean LeBron orchestrated the trade for love and they have done everything short of literally drive a bus over him.

I think the Kyrie trade forced that discussion out into the open. Apparently some guys don't like LeBron controlling their careers ... especially if you yourself are a top 15 player and one of the best teammates LeBron has ever had

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:27 AM

Could Lebron possibly be as bad at baseball as Jordan was? Doesn't seem like he has a gambling problem, so we'll probably never find out.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 12:33 PM

View PostMtlJeff, on 13 February 2018 - 08:54 PM, said:

View Postscratchswinger, on 13 February 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

View Postraynorfan1, on 13 February 2018 - 03:02 PM, said:

View Postscratchswinger, on 13 February 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

Don't use LeBrons Finals record as a knock. He's drug bun teams to the finals, playeed in a weak conference and now has to beat a team that set a record for wins and then added a top 3 player.

It's a knock.

How were the 2010 - 2011 or 2013 - 2014 Heat teams "bum"?

I'll give you the 2006 - 2007 Cavs...

It's not like Jordan was matched up against a bunch of tomato cans - in his first Championship run, every team he faced had at least one future hall of fame player on it.

I don't think Jordan / LeBron is even a discussion worth having. I just don't think LeBron's poor record in the NBA Finals is a deciding factor, it's not even close enough for their to be a deciding factor.

Almost every team that makes the Finals has a HOF player, that stat is really not that impressive. The last time a team made the Finals without a sure thing HOF player would be 2009 Magic and at that time Howard looked to be almost a guarantee before the injury bug got to him.

Lebron lost to all HOF players as well.... But again I don't think that even matters.

I agree with you on the Cavs finals teams, as i mentioned his performance beating the Warriors a couple of years ago is in the alltime pantheon of basketball.

But his Heat teams were very good and his supporting cast WAY better than most give them credit for. Not in terms of depth necessarily but in terms of star power.

You may recall how i was thoroughly mocked in our thread for writing that Chris Bosh was better than Kevin Love when Lebron returned to Cleveland. It was true then and it's clear now how true it was. Bosh re-invented himself as the most important defender on the Heat during their run, he was the perfect modern defender, a rim protector who could hedge out on guards and take part in all the trapping they did. He was Draymond Green before Draymond Green was adopted by stat geeks, and he had a killer midrange jumper (best in the league actually). Wade was also a great 2-way player who shot 50%. The Heat overall had the best FG percentages near the basket pretty much every year

Chris Bosh will be the sad lost star of the modern era. His injury killed his career right when everyone could have appreciated how great he was for the modern game with our modern analytics. A tremendous versatile defender who could give you 20-25 every night. Bobo heads critisized his rebounding without realizing his contesting guards 30 feet from the basket hurt those numbers

Lebron gets no sympathy from me for his losses with the Heat. Wade and Bosh were A1 running mates
He lobbied to get Draymond Suspended, Steph was hurt and it was Kyrie who hit "The Shot." Now LeBron's block on Iggy was probably the best hustle/defensive play I've ever seen. I'm just saying ALOT had to go LBJ's way to get that Championship.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 01:23 PM

View PostLeftyLuck, on 12 February 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

Lebron>Kobe
Lebron>Jordan.

Jordan had skill, but was a little on the skinny side. I think the physical power and strength of Lebron is what resonates the most with me. 6 foot 8, 265+lbs.
Kobe was a playmaker, very impressive. A little too selfish for my liking though.

Kobe and Jordan both better than lebron. There shouldnít even be a debate

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 03:19 PM

View Postgoondawg, on 14 February 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostLeftyLuck, on 12 February 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

Lebron>Kobe
Lebron>Jordan.

Jordan had skill, but was a little on the skinny side. I think the physical power and strength of Lebron is what resonates the most with me. 6 foot 8, 265+lbs.
Kobe was a playmaker, very impressive. A little too selfish for my liking though.

Kobe and Jordan both better than lebron. There shouldnít even be a debate

I think you can debate Kobe vs Lebron but you canít debate MJ vs either of them.  MJ wins that argument every single time.  To date, MJ is the best basketball player to ever play the game (or at least in my 31 years of life).  

Personally, I would have Lebron over Kobe but I think itís fairly close and wouldnít really argue if you said Kobe was better than Lebron.  

One thing I do know, if I had my choice between the 3 for the last second shot, Iím picking Jordan every time.  If Jordan couldnít play, Iím picking Kobe.  And if Kobe couldnít play, Iím asking Lebron to pass......
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Posted 14 February 2018 - 03:34 PM

View PostSilverBullets, on 14 February 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

View Postgoondawg, on 14 February 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostLeftyLuck, on 12 February 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

Lebron>Kobe
Lebron>Jordan.

Jordan had skill, but was a little on the skinny side. I think the physical power and strength of Lebron is what resonates the most with me. 6 foot 8, 265+lbs.
Kobe was a playmaker, very impressive. A little too selfish for my liking though.

Kobe and Jordan both better than lebron. There shouldn't even be a debate

Personally, I would have Lebron over Kobe but I think it's fairly close and wouldn't really argue if you said Kobe was better than Lebron.  


I would definitely have LeBron over Kobe...it's not close.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 06:56 PM

View PostLeftyLuck, on 13 February 2018 - 02:18 PM, said:

View PostBoogieThumper, on 13 February 2018 - 02:17 PM, said:

View PostUSAF Retired E7, on 13 February 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

MJ is the best I've ever seen.  Always knew he'd play hard, and usually win through ability and mental toughness.

Lebron is probably the most physically gifted, but he takes too many games off of max effort and his passive aggressiveness make me not like him, at all.  Don't need him telling the public how basketball 'smart' his brain is.   What happened to the team he assembled?  What a B!?ch!!

Can't wait to see Lebron lose another final to Golden State this year.

One of my favorite MJ plays!!!

https://www.youtube....h?v=gqkcEthV0Gg
I just got chills watching that! Thanks for posting.
https://www.youtube....h?v=pCTfxOrX4k8

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Oh please. Jordan isn't even close in that Starks dunk. This video shows Lebron being "dunked" on several times and he was just as close as Jordan was. Neither player could have made those blocks.
https://www.youtube....h?v=rUCZaZVBxT0

Jordan is better because in his era teams actually played defense. Nobody scored 120 a night back then, and if one team scored that much it meant the other team only had 80 points. None of this 120-108 b.s. we see in the NBA today. I think things were a lot more physical in the paint back in Jordan's era too. Bill Laimbeer was a nobody but he was the original thug and basically the equivalent to a goon in hockey. And no one ever made LeFlop type jokes about Jordan.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 06:59 PM

View PostLouieLouie, on 14 February 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

View PostLeftyLuck, on 13 February 2018 - 02:18 PM, said:

View PostBoogieThumper, on 13 February 2018 - 02:17 PM, said:

View PostUSAF Retired E7, on 13 February 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

MJ is the best I've ever seen.  Always knew he'd play hard, and usually win through ability and mental toughness.

Lebron is probably the most physically gifted, but he takes too many games off of max effort and his passive aggressiveness make me not like him, at all.  Don't need him telling the public how basketball 'smart' his brain is.   What happened to the team he assembled?  What a B!?ch!!

Can't wait to see Lebron lose another final to Golden State this year.

One of my favorite MJ plays!!!

https://www.youtube....h?v=gqkcEthV0Gg
I just got chills watching that! Thanks for posting.
https://www.youtube....h?v=pCTfxOrX4k8

Bagging groceries a few months earlier.

Oh please. Jordan isn't even close in that Starks dunk. This video shows Lebron being "dunked" on several times and he was just as close as Jordan was. Neither player could have made those blocks.
https://www.youtube....h?v=rUCZaZVBxT0

Jordan is better because in his era teams actually played defense. Nobody scored 120 a night back then, and if one team scored that much it meant the other team only had 80 points. None of this 120-108 b.s. we see in the NBA today. I think things were a lot more physical in the paint back in Jordan's era too. Bill Laimbeer was a nobody but he was the original thug and basically the equivalent to a goon in hockey. And no one ever made LeFlop type jokes about Jordan.

Poor Kevin McHale, he probably still has nightmares about Laimbeer.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 01:33 AM

Jordan>Kobe>Lebron

I value winning.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 08:32 AM

View Poststraightshot7, on 15 February 2018 - 01:33 AM, said:

Jordan>Kobe>Lebron

I value winning.

Horry>Jordan>Kobe

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:48 AM

You canít and shouldnít compare eras because that would change the dna of players due to changing environments.

Jordan is goat imo because he changed the game..kobe and Lebron copied Jordan as much as they can could..to me that carries more weight than anything.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:20 AM

Jordan is the best hands down to me (I didnt get to see Wilt, Kareem, etc) but I do remember watching Jordan play. I will say Kobe and Lebron are somewhat close but not in his league. Jordan just had a way, he could score at will, defend the ball, and most importantly, he could win. Lebron and Kobe can score at will, defend well enough, and both have the drive to win but Lebron would fall in 3rd on the category of the 3. I would argue that Bird's desire to win/compete is greater than Kobe or Lebron.

Its hard for me to put in words, but Jordan's will to win was incredible. I mean he punched Kerr in practice one day. Not saying this is the right thing to do or this is how you will a win, but he wanted things done right and he loved to compete. Can you imagine if Kobe had punched Fisher or Lebron punched Kyrie or DWade?? I dont know if Jordan used tactics like these to make his teammates more mentally strong of if he was just a jerk but you cant argue with the results. It kind of reminds me of how Laettner was with Hurley at Duke, if youve ever seen the "I Hate Christian Laettner".

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:32 AM

View Postcdnglf, on 15 February 2018 - 08:32 AM, said:

View Poststraightshot7, on 15 February 2018 - 01:33 AM, said:

Jordan>Kobe>Lebron

I value winning.

Horry>Jordan>Kobe

Russell >Horry>Jordan>Kobe. ��

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