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#1 csheetzrun

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:35 PM

I recently went to our local Austad's to tryout a few new drivers.  My goal was to see if a new one could kick out my current gamer (910 D2).  My swings with my club were consistent to what I had been seeing so I was ready for the new clubs.  I tried the Rogue SZ, 917 D2, M3 and M4.  My numbers with the Rogue were so much better that I was questioning the fitter.  I ask all of you, is it possible to gain 5-6 mph with a different club set up?  My average swing is right around 103-105 with my 910 and all the clubs mentioned above except the Rogue. I was consistently swinging anywhere from 109-112 and the dispersion was tighter.  I was scratching my head so I am asking for help here.  Could they have a chip in the club to throw it off, the guy was clearly a Callaway guy and told me before I swung that he already knew which one would be better.  

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#2 3_Putt_Par

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    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion man.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:02 PM

I highly doubt there is a 'chip' that skews the launch monitor.  What were the shaft specs?  Maybe the shaft was lighter or longer than the others, or just better suited to your swing.  Also the order you hit them in counts, as you might not be fully warmed up with your first few swings and may be fatigued by the last few.

If you really doubt your findings, go back and try it again.  Get the specs and see if you can deduct a logical reason for the change.  While you're there hit the Ping 400 series as well.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:10 PM

Found similar results coming from a cobra flyz + into the epic.
Callaway Rouge SZ 9* w/ Aldila Rouge Silver S
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:15 PM

Goes to show what that speed step crown will do for you!  (Kidding).

What kind of launch monitor?  It is possible it's giving you the highest ball speed and maybe the LM being used is calculating club head speed off of measured ball speed.  But I'd go back and try again...that seems to be quite a jump.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:04 PM

I had to go back and try again.  This time I tried the Ping 400, M3 and Rogue Sub Zero all on their Trackman system.  

My numbers are below and it's a pretty easy decision

M3  not in the running, 2/10 were solid the rest were all over the place.  

Ping 400
Solid club and very accurate
Avg. Swing speed  104.6
Avg. Carry distance  256
Avg. Ball speed 152
Avg. Total Distance 277
Avg. Backspin  2652
Avg. Degree of flight 12.7
Top swing Speed  107
Top Carry  272
Top ball speed 154
Top Total Distance  286

Rogue Sub Zero

Avg. Swing speed  106.7
Avg. Carry distance  277
Avg. Ball speed 155
Avg. Total Distance 292
Avg. Backspin  1424
Avg. Degree of flight 11.7
Top swing Speed  112
Top Carry  286
Top ball speed 161.5
Top Total Distance  315

The numbers speak for themselves but this doesn't account for the mishits that I could feel.  They kept going and going.  I wanted to say this is BS yesterday but the numbers were there again which is really going to hurt my wallet.  I didn't realize how important the backspin really is.  I was and still am shocked.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:12 PM

1424 backspin is absurdly low. Certain launch monitors (GC2) give really high yardage readings for low spin readings. We have a SkyTrak at my office and every once in a while it will read a well struck 6 iron at around 3k RPM's and they carry 15-20 yards further than my usually 5k-6k spin.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:03 PM

That 1424 backspin won’t play in the real world.  These hits will be knuckleballs that will fall out of the sky.  However, there are a couple of things you can do to get that spin number up to around 2,000.  You should take a look at the standard Rogue (non-subzero).  You can also go up in loft.  Once you get that spin between 1,900 and 2,200, you’ll have a bomber.
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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:08 AM

Yeah, that spin w/ that launch is no good.  Good news is you can easily go up in loft to get into ideal launch parameters.  Did you have the heavy weight back or forward?  Back will increase spin a bit and also make for a more forgiving driver.
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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:27 AM

View Postcfmgolf, on 12 February 2018 - 08:10 PM, said:

Found similar results coming from a cobra flyz + into the epic.

I see you went to Epic after Cobra Fly-z plus. Did you see the gain in distance on the course? What about accuracy comparison??

Spin too low by those numbers. I really don't want anything below 2200 personally.
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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:35 AM

For me the Rogue is really lightweight overall, the head felt light and add in a 50 odd gram shaft and you have something you should swing faster, but for a lot of people, it'll be harder to control, i know i struggle with lighter drivers.


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