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#1 Z1ggy16

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 02:40 PM

It used to be maybe 2 times a year I'd buy a club to try out. I'd end up needing a new shaft so I'd pop over to my local guy, he'd charge me $15 to pull what was in there and put a new shaft in and I'd go home and put a grip on. Now it's to the point where I'm looking at experimenting with shafts, new heads... all different things, 10+ times a year. It's getting too expensive to keep bringing clubs to my guy at $15 a pop.

I'm basically looking for what equipment and tools I need (maybe tricks of the trade I may not find on a random youtube video or website) for shaft pulling, taking adapters off/on, best epoxy, how to cut shafts.. All that fun stuff. Mostly what I plan on doing is buying shafts off ebay, changing/removing adapters, maybe a butt trim here or there, and insert them into a new club/adapter. My upcoming experiment is UDI's. Most of what I see online has steel shafts... I want to remove it and try out various graphite shafts.

Only caveat being for now, I only have access to 120V and can't have loud power tools. Live in a condo, all that noisy stuff will piss people off. I get nervous when I turn on my air compressor to do grips...

Edit: It's been asked I list my current tool list -

Small "suction cup" style portable vice. Used to hold shafts while I change grips, in the link below
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hook blade
measuring tape
AC/DC air compressor, 120V
Various wrench sets, sock heads,  screw drivers, etc
Heat Gun, goes up to maybe 600* F
Small torch
Dremel
Various battery powered saws

Here is my garage...Maybe I could get a temporary set up in here that's better than kitchen counters?
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 02:42 PM

I hear you, I spend the whole winter trying shaft and head combo's

New IOMIC's at $22 a pop and new installs at $25 (CAN$) adds up .. but well worth the price when you find a unicorn
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 03:13 PM

Do you have a vice?

I bought this graphite shaft extractor a few months ago and have used it a few times with no issues:

https://www.golfwork...actor/p/MA2007/

Between this, a digital scale, digital calipers, the economy swing weight scale (also from golfworks) I was able to do a steel to graphite iron reshaft and graphite to graphite hybrid reshaft hitting all swing weight points I wanted to hit (within .25 sw points) and all grip dimensions I wanted to hit.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 03:15 PM

View Postcardoustie, on 12 February 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

I hear you, I spend the whole winter trying shaft and head combo's

New IOMIC's at $22 a pop and new installs at $25 (CAN$) adds up .. but well worth the price when you find a unicorn

This is why I install grips using compressed air instead of solvent/tape.  You can blow them right off and transfer them to other clubs without having to worry about cutting them off or trying to use one of those grip saver devices.

Edited by 03trdblack, 12 February 2018 - 03:15 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 03:24 PM

View Postdmbrill719, on 12 February 2018 - 03:13 PM, said:

Do you have a vice?

I bought this graphite shaft extractor a few months ago and have used it a few times with no issues:

https://www.golfwork...actor/p/MA2007/

Between this, a digital scale, digital calipers, the economy swing weight scale (also from golfworks) I was able to do a steel to graphite iron reshaft and graphite to graphite hybrid reshaft hitting all swing weight points I wanted to hit (within .25 sw points) and all grip dimensions I wanted to hit.
Yes, because I take off/on grips all the time. However.... I don't have a work bench and I don't have very good attachment point sin the garage. Therefore, my vice is a light weight one that suctions down to my kitchen counter. It gets the job done for holding shafts for regrips. Not sure it can hold this thing which seems to be fairly heavy.

So that puller is definitely a needed item... How do you go about taking old epoxy off tips? What if you got a brand new shaft... what things do you use to prep (I've seen belt sanders used... but that's not an option for me right now)?

Edited by Z1ggy16, 12 February 2018 - 03:40 PM.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 04:36 PM

You sound like you're in the same boat I was in about a year ago. I bought a bench top vice, swing weight scale, GolfWorks measuring tool, digital scale, tube cutter for cutting steel shafts, heat gun, chop saw. If you are doing irons it would be beneficial to get some brass tip weights for swing weighting. You will also need things like hosel brushes, a hook razor blade and the list goes on. It's fun if you've got the time to tinker.

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https://www.lowes.co...Cutter/50331831
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https://www.harborfr...-saw-61204.html

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 04:46 PM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 12 February 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

View Postdmbrill719, on 12 February 2018 - 03:13 PM, said:

Do you have a vice?

I bought this graphite shaft extractor a few months ago and have used it a few times with no issues:

https://www.golfwork...actor/p/MA2007/

Between this, a digital scale, digital calipers, the economy swing weight scale (also from golfworks) I was able to do a steel to graphite iron reshaft and graphite to graphite hybrid reshaft hitting all swing weight points I wanted to hit (within .25 sw points) and all grip dimensions I wanted to hit.
Yes, because I take off/on grips all the time. However.... I don't have a work bench and I don't have very good attachment point sin the garage. Therefore, my vice is a light weight one that suctions down to my kitchen counter. It gets the job done for holding shafts for regrips. Not sure it can hold this thing which seems to be fairly heavy.

So that puller is definitely a needed item... How do you go about taking old epoxy off tips? What if you got a brand new shaft... what things do you use to prep (I've seen belt sanders used... but that's not an option for me right now)?

All you need to remove old epoxy or paint off a shaft to prep the tip is a razor blade.  Just scrape and turn the shaft and the paint will basically strip off.  Super easy.

I do think you'll need a vice or some way of mounting the shaft puller.  You don't need that for steel shafts (just a torch or heat gun and fireplace gloves to twist the head off for steel) but you will for graphite.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 05:20 PM

My wife bought me a Workmate by Black and Decker 30+ years ago. Hundreds of grips, shaft pulls and so many misc. small jobs. For a small area like yours, that would be my first purchase.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 05:34 PM

To get that shaft pulling device... What kind of work area will I need? My father's old vice was bolted into a huge wooden work bench, which that itself was hard bolted into the foundation. I'm sorting with what I can here.

Looks like I can do irons easy but maybe not Graphite...
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 05:52 PM

View Post03trdblack, on 12 February 2018 - 03:15 PM, said:

View Postcardoustie, on 12 February 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

I hear you, I spend the whole winter trying shaft and head combo's

New IOMIC's at $22 a pop and new installs at $25 (CAN$) adds up .. but well worth the price when you find a unicorn

This is why I install grips using compressed air instead of solvent/tape.  You can blow them right off and transfer them to other clubs without having to worry about cutting them off or trying to use one of those grip saver devices.

Just did this for the first time this week. Sweet. I'm swapping out shafts in a driver and playing with lengths. Less than 5 minutes for a grip change. I'm hooked


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 05:54 PM

View PostJStang, on 12 February 2018 - 04:36 PM, said:

You sound like you're in the same boat I was in about a year ago. I bought a bench top vice, swing weight scale, GolfWorks measuring tool, digital scale, tube cutter for cutting steel shafts, heat gun, chop saw. If you are doing irons it would be beneficial to get some brass tip weights for swing weighting. You will also need things like hosel brushes, a hook razor blade and the list goes on. It's fun if you've got the time to tinker.

https://www.golfwork...GxoCctkQAvD_BwE
https://www.lowes.co...Cutter/50331831
https://www.golfwork...ure-tool/p/TMR/
https://www.harborfr...-saw-61204.html
The tube cutter... can this be used for graphite?

Also, I know the shaft puller might be an issue due to my working space... How about just buying new shafts (or used I guess) and putting an adapter on... or taking one off and popping another brand on?
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 06:01 PM

It is quite expensive initially. I found a bunch of the stuff used including a shaft puller. Not being able To use power tools and having no work bench make things a little bit tough.

Don't forget...spending 15$ at a club builder gets expensive...but buying 4 iron sets and an out 20 clubs over the winter gets even more expensive. Having the ability to do work at home opens up a whole can of worms... welcome to the club!

Oh...and do a search for this topic...many informative thread with pictures of workstations...

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 06:03 PM

If your compressor is too loud get one of these.  It's quiet enough to put in your living room...

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 06:06 PM

Regarding tools in general, there are countless threads on this already.  No disrespect to OP, but please detail our your current tool list and we can chime in with comments.  That would speed up the process.

Oh, and a decent workbench and vice is critical.  I wouldn't even try to build clubs without.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 06:09 PM

View PostNessism, on 12 February 2018 - 06:06 PM, said:

Regarding tools in general, there are countless threads on this already.  No disrespect to OP, but please detail our your current tool list and we can chime in with comments.  That would speed up the process.

Oh, and a decent workbench and vice is critical.  I wouldn't even try to build clubs without.
Yeah after looking at the threads, you're pretty much right. Going to be impossible to do a very solid job with out this. For grips... What I have is easy.

I'm going to edit OP to include my current tool list. Maybe some crafty members could help me with work arounds. If not...might have to suck it up and pony up the money til I can find my way into a house. Because... not buying more clubs to ho isn't an option, obviously.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 06:57 PM

Take a look around at portable work benches. I got mine at Costco. Rolls on lockable casters, and has storage cupboards and pegboard for mounting hand tools. Compact at a 90" x 30" footprint. Mount a vise and you have a nice workstation for club work.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:14 PM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 12 February 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

It used to be maybe 2 times a year I'd buy a club to try out. I'd end up needing a new shaft so I'd pop over to my local guy, he'd charge me $15 to pull what was in there and put a new shaft in and I'd go home and put a grip on. Now it's to the point where I'm looking at experimenting with shafts, new heads... all different things, 10+ times a year. It's getting too expensive to keep bringing clubs to my guy at $15 a pop.

I'm basically looking for what equipment and tools I need (maybe tricks of the trade I may not find on a random youtube video or website) for shaft pulling, taking adapters off/on, best epoxy, how to cut shafts.. All that fun stuff. Mostly what I plan on doing is buying shafts off ebay, changing/removing adapters, maybe a butt trim here or there, and insert them into a new club/adapter. My upcoming experiment is UDI's. Most of what I see online has steel shafts... I want to remove it and try out various graphite shafts.

Only caveat being for now, I only have access to 120V and can't have loud power tools. Live in a condo, all that noisy stuff will piss people off. I get nervous when I turn on my air compressor to do grips...

Edit: It's been asked I list my current tool list -

Small "suction cup" style portable vice. Used to hold shafts while I change grips, etc.
hook blade
measuring tape
AC/DC air compressor, 120V
Various wrench sets, sock heads,  screw drivers, etc
Heat Gun, goes up to maybe 600* F
Dremel
Various battery powered saws

Here is my garage...Maybe I could get a temporary set up in here that's better than kitchen counters?
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I wrote an entire article for WRX about this exact subject that I suggest you take a look at. Lots of tips for tools and whats needed. You don't need top of the line for hobby work but I always suggest that best that you can afford.


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:27 PM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 12 February 2018 - 05:54 PM, said:

View PostJStang, on 12 February 2018 - 04:36 PM, said:

You sound like you're in the same boat I was in about a year ago. I bought a bench top vice, swing weight scale, GolfWorks measuring tool, digital scale, tube cutter for cutting steel shafts, heat gun, chop saw. If you are doing irons it would be beneficial to get some brass tip weights for swing weighting. You will also need things like hosel brushes, a hook razor blade and the list goes on. It's fun if you've got the time to tinker.

https://www.golfwork...GxoCctkQAvD_BwE
https://www.lowes.co...Cutter/50331831
https://www.golfwork...ure-tool/p/TMR/
https://www.harborfr...-saw-61204.html
The tube cutter... can this be used for graphite?

Also, I know the shaft puller might be an issue due to my working space... How about just buying new shafts (or used I guess) and putting an adapter on... or taking one off and popping another brand on?
No, you need a chop saw or hacksaw. Pipe cutters are hard on graphite, even the ones they say are good for that purpose.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:31 PM

That workshop is my dream.

Thanks for the post.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:00 PM

I use a cutting wheel for my dremel to cut shafts. I take no chances with graphite and wrap tape around where I’m going to cut. I also use this puller for shafts. I got it from golf works and it fits in my very small vise. IMG_1518487041.031977.jpg

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:03 PM

I think my main downfall is i don't have a legit work bench or work area. 800 sqft condo with no real working space kind of stinks.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:25 PM

You don’t need slot of space. My work area is a tiny 8x8 room and my work bench is a couple old cabinets with an old countertop sitting on them. My vise is even a small portable one that clamps onto the countertop.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:19 AM

Get rid of the heat gun and get a torch... I use a micro torch and its takes around 7 seconds to pull an adapter.
I was in the same boat as you a couple years ago. I have my entire garage set up like a club shop now though. I initially bought a compressor, workbench ( anchored ), vise, stole an awesome puller from golfsmith when they went under, Ness hooked me up on a spec gauge and bending bar... You can start off with the basics, but you will always be adding when the job calls for something you don’t have
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#24 Z1ggy16

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:05 AM

View PostTheBIIgCat, on 13 February 2018 - 06:19 AM, said:

Get rid of the heat gun and get a torch... I use a micro torch and its takes around 7 seconds to pull an adapter.
I was in the same boat as you a couple years ago. I have my entire garage set up like a club shop now though. I initially bought a compressor, workbench ( anchored ), vise, stole an awesome puller from golfsmith when they went under, Ness hooked me up on a spec gauge and bending bar... You can start off with the basics, but you will always be adding when the job calls for something you don’t have
Have a torch... small though, heat gun gets as hot probably. Torch was for some electrical work I was doing at the time.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:08 AM

Going to post this here for people who may not read the OP, but this is the vice I use:
https://www.amazon.c...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Is this enough to hold on to a shaft puller?

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:09 AM

View Postblackngold_blood, on 12 February 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

You don’t need slot of space. My work area is a tiny 8x8 room and my work bench is a couple old cabinets with an old countertop sitting on them. My vise is even a small portable one that clamps onto the countertop.
I put the linkt o mine in the OP and also right above. Mine is vacuum seal style... is yours a C clamp type? Are you able to use with a shaft puller?
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:40 AM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 13 February 2018 - 08:09 AM, said:

View Postblackngold_blood, on 12 February 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

You donít need slot of space. My work area is a tiny 8x8 room and my work bench is a couple old cabinets with an old countertop sitting on them. My vise is even a small portable one that clamps onto the countertop.
I put the linkt o mine in the OP and also right above. Mine is vacuum seal style... is yours a C clamp type? Are you able to use with a shaft puller?
Yes mine is a c clamp style and smaller than yours. As long as the jaws of the vise open wide enough you should be fine. The one i have opens 3 inches i believe.this is similar to what i have.96167.jpg

Edited by blackngold_blood, 13 February 2018 - 08:42 AM.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:42 AM

View Postblackngold_blood, on 13 February 2018 - 08:40 AM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 13 February 2018 - 08:09 AM, said:

View Postblackngold_blood, on 12 February 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

You don't need slot of space. My work area is a tiny 8x8 room and my work bench is a couple old cabinets with an old countertop sitting on them. My vise is even a small portable one that clamps onto the countertop.
I put the linkt o mine in the OP and also right above. Mine is vacuum seal style... is yours a C clamp type? Are you able to use with a shaft puller?
Yes mine is a c clamp style and smaller than yours. As long as the jaws of the vise open wide enough you should be fine. The one i have opens 3 inches i believe.this is similar to what i have.
H
ow heavy is your shaft puller? I just worry the vacuum one won't be strong enough to hold up anything more than 5-10lb. The vice head is on a rotating bearing of some kind that you need to screw down in order to keep it in place...sometimes it comes loose when I'm really pressing a grip on that is being stubborn.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:51 AM

The shaft puller will do all the work. All that is needed is clamping pressure. My puller works like the rubber shaft clamps. There will actually be less pressure on your suction cup mount then when you do grips since the puller does it all.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:55 AM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 13 February 2018 - 08:42 AM, said:

View Postblackngold_blood, on 13 February 2018 - 08:40 AM, said:

View PostZ1ggy16, on 13 February 2018 - 08:09 AM, said:

View Postblackngold_blood, on 12 February 2018 - 09:25 PM, said:

You don't need slot of space. My work area is a tiny 8x8 room and my work bench is a couple old cabinets with an old countertop sitting on them. My vise is even a small portable one that clamps onto the countertop.
I put the linkt o mine in the OP and also right above. Mine is vacuum seal style... is yours a C clamp type? Are you able to use with a shaft puller?
Yes mine is a c clamp style and smaller than yours. As long as the jaws of the vise open wide enough you should be fine. The one i have opens 3 inches i believe.this is similar to what i have.
H
ow heavy is your shaft puller? I just worry the vacuum one won't be strong enough to hold up anything more than 5-10lb. The vice head is on a rotating bearing of some kind that you need to screw down in order to keep it in place...sometimes it comes loose when I'm really pressing a grip on that is being stubborn.
Basically what I am saying is all you need to do with the style puller I have is clamp down tight enough to keep the shaft from sliding inside the rubber clamp.

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