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#1 JStang

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:20 AM

I saw on Twitter this morning that Mark Crossfield heard a rumor that the M3's and M4's on tour do not have the Twist Face technology. Now, Mark is a little (ok a lot) bitter with TM since they stopped sending him product to review but has anyone else heard anything about this?

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:24 AM

If that were the case I believe they would have to be listed on the USGA conforming list and they are not so I would say it isn't true.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:31 AM

...or they fooled us all and there's no twist face on any drivers?!?!?!

*clearly this is tongue and cheek

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:36 AM

TaylorMade tour players rarely use the same drivers sold at retail. This is nothing new.

A quick check of the conforming list will reveal the truth.

Edit: I checked the USGA Conforming List and all of the M3/4 drivers listed have Twist Face. (pp. 1127-1128). The list is dated effective February 12, 2018. In generations past it was common to see several versions of a TM driver (V2, V3, V4, etc.). These were normally the tour heads.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:43 AM

Might be worst thread I have seen on here.  Literally.  Having measured multiple tour issue heads I can tell you this is fake news.  

It’s similar to the Callaway Rep trying to tell us that indoor monitors won’t measure twist face dispersion and to only fit off “ball speed.”

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:45 AM

Doesn't appear to have multiple heads on conforming list beyond the models that have been released at retail...

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:46 AM

Surprising that if this is so easily verified w/ USGA list that Crossfield would say anything. Unless he suspects there's a conspiracy.

Semi-related question: How often, if ever, are tour pro's clubs inspected to see if they are "conforming'?
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:48 AM

 thesaxemachine, on 12 February 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

Surprising that if this is so easily verified w/ USGA list that Crossfield would say anything. Unless he suspects there's a conspiracy.

Semi-related question: How often, if ever, are tour pro's clubs inspected to see if they are "conforming'?
they're inspected prior to building on the tour van - thus the "+" marks hosels on TM drivers.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:51 AM

I think the operative word is, "rumor".  Crossfield is playing with a bit of fire IMO.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:54 AM

it is interesting that since the beginning of the year. the two biggest ( ok, two biggest i know of) club reviewers and product testers for golf on youtube have gone totally different directions. Rick seems to be trying to be more thorough and technical in his approach and delivery, and Mark seems to be trying to be more and more a comedian.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:00 AM

 gioguy21, on 12 February 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

 thesaxemachine, on 12 February 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

Surprising that if this is so easily verified w/ USGA list that Crossfield would say anything. Unless he suspects there's a conspiracy.

Semi-related question: How often, if ever, are tour pro's clubs inspected to see if they are "conforming'?
they're inspected prior to building on the tour van - thus the "+" marks hosels on TM drivers.

Inspected by TM employees or inspected by USGA officials?  I would imagine that self policing this would inevitably end up in cheating.  Sadly...human nature.

I’m not being accusatory, just curious as to how, when, and how often heads actually get checked by someone from the USGA or the tour.
Random spot checking maybe?  Perhaps NEVER once they’re on the approved list?  I have no idea.. just throwing it out there.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:06 AM

 Jagpilotohio, on 12 February 2018 - 09:00 AM, said:

 gioguy21, on 12 February 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

 thesaxemachine, on 12 February 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

Surprising that if this is so easily verified w/ USGA list that Crossfield would say anything. Unless he suspects there's a conspiracy.

Semi-related question: How often, if ever, are tour pro's clubs inspected to see if they are "conforming'?
they're inspected prior to building on the tour van - thus the "+" marks hosels on TM drivers.

Inspected by TM employees or inspected by USGA officials?  I would imagine that self policing this would inevitably end up in cheating.  Sadly...human nature.

I’m not being accusatory, just curious as to how, when, and how often heads actually get checked by someone from the USGA or the tour.
Random spot checking maybe?  Perhaps NEVER once they’re on the approved list?  I have no idea.. just throwing it out there.
that i don't honestly know. the + sign is put on if it passes COR testing (under the legal limit)

Edited by gioguy21, 12 February 2018 - 09:06 AM.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:07 AM

Pros hit closer to center way more than almost any of us, so they wouldn’t need to avoid the twist face. They’re not going to hit the high toe or low heel like most of us. So TM wouldn’t have to build special club face geometry for their pros.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:18 AM

i wouldn't listen to a word that t** says.   I'm ashamed to share nationality with him

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:27 AM

 TaylorMadeLuv, on 12 February 2018 - 08:43 AM, said:

It's similar to the Callaway Rep trying to tell us that indoor monitors won't measure twist face dispersion and to only fit off "ball speed."

If indoors on a doppler unit, there is truth to that.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:37 AM

I'm no TM fan, but this is right up there with Tom Wishon claiming he was told that the adapter sleeves on adjustable drivers on Tour are fake, and provide no adjustment.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:41 AM

and thread should just be shut down
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:43 AM

 dwboston, on 12 February 2018 - 09:37 AM, said:

I'm no TM fan, but this is right up there with Tom Wishon claiming he was told that the adapter sleeves on adjustable drivers on Tour are fake, and provide no adjustment.

http://www.golfwrx.c...90#entry6813861

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:45 AM

Crossfield really has lost the plot over this TM nonsense. He continues to beat this dead horse to his own detriment.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:48 AM

To clarify, I'm not trying to stir the pot here. I am just relaying what I read from a well known figure in the golf industry.

Edited by JStang, 12 February 2018 - 09:48 AM.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:49 AM

Crossfield is salty about TM not sending him anything, Mark just trying to stir the pot.  Twistface really isn't detrimental to a professional. Crossfield always bashes tech and features simply because he likes to pander to the people that watch his videos and hardly understand what to look for in a club.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:53 AM

Keyword is "rumor"
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:54 AM

It is humorous that his go to partner for this nonsense is MGS who also feels slighted by TM.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:03 AM

What a bonehead move when it could easily be fact checked on the conforming list.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:06 AM

Doesn't the conforming list gets published every monday, yet to see today's

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:09 AM

 TexasCarlos, on 12 February 2018 - 09:49 AM, said:

Crossfield is salty about TM not sending him anything, Mark just trying to stir the pot.  Twistface really isn't detrimental to a professional. Crossfield always bashes tech and features simply because he likes to pander to the people that watch his videos and hardly understand what to look for in a club.

I must say that his approach isn't going to get him back on TM's good side. He's made his bed with them...
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:11 AM

I doubt TM will ever send him clubs to review after posts like this on Twitter.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:12 AM

At the end of the day Twist Face or any other gimmick is not going to change your score on the course....

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:20 AM

And here we go ........... :rolleyes:
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:23 AM

seems to me though that he wouldn't be making this up. There is currently a lot of risk for him to make up something, He tagged some other reputable equipment testers looking to get an answer to the question. I would say that he is legitimately asking. just comes across wrong because of his ongoing beef with TM and his current persona. Also, as a person that "appears' to try and be at the forefront of golf equipment knowledge, that he would know what resources were available to verify before reaching out to secondary sources.

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