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#31 Ferguson

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:36 AM

View Postcardoustie, on 12 February 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

I think guys forget how rarified the air is for top players that keep their form for long extended periods ... ie Mickelson, Norman, Nicklaus, Woods, Watson, Faldo etc

The golf world is littered with players that were near the top of the world and the player somehow lost it .. IBF, Westwood for a while, Immelman, Duval, Anthony Kim, etc etc.  The list is endless

There are rare late career wins ... Johnny Miller, Tom Watson to name 2 ... but again not common.  Lots of players lose their mental strength, confidence, get the yips, lose the swing or lose interest in tournament golf altogether (Miller for example)


Agreed.   Long-term greatness at anything is the exception.


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:44 AM

Plus, he might LIKE to be back on Tour in a high-level capacity, but he might not WANT it.  

It requires hunger, work commitment, sacrifice, etc.  

Perhaps Tiger wants it, but Duval is not at the same level of involvement.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:18 PM

View Posttgreenwood11, on 11 February 2018 - 07:35 PM, said:

Why bother? I like David a lot but he should stay in the booth. He was fanning them out like the Blue Angels. So much for Chris O'Connell "really helping him out".

Maybe because he felt like playing in an event that he had an exemption for?  

This is no different than the old champions who tee it up on a Thursday and Friday at Augusta.  Im sure none of them have any expectations whatsoever, but the privilege of just playing and being a part of it is very important to them.  David was only 4 shots off the cut line there last year...maybe he set a goal to try and make a weekend on the PGA Tour, and Pebble is one of the few places he could probably do it - he still holds the course record there and Pebble is obviously a place that means a lot to him.

Good for him to keep trying to tee it up every now and again.  I hope he continues to do so if his health obliges.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:48 PM

I remember watching him pre broadcasting when he was giving it one last go. It was on the range at the john deere right before the british open and he had just started working with Chris, looked like their second lesson together or so and Chris had him hitting I'm talking major wipes. like 200 yard low weak slices. I could hear them talking and Chris was having him swing majorly down and left, was super steep and face open. I pretty much knew then it was over. He couldn't keep it on the planet doing what Chris was telling him to do

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:53 PM

It's not like AS played much better....

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:47 AM

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:23 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 12 February 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

I remember watching him pre broadcasting when he was giving it one last go. It was on the range at the john deere right before the british open and he had just started working with Chris, looked like their second lesson together or so and Chris had him hitting I'm talking major wipes. like 200 yard low weak slices. I could hear them talking and Chris was having him swing majorly down and left, was super steep and face open. I pretty much knew then it was over. He couldn't keep it on the planet doing what Chris was telling him to do
These types of comments on this site baffle me. First, you have no idea what they were working on. 2nd, how on earth did it look like it was their 2nd seasion together? 3rd, why on earth would you know what was best for Duval more than the guy he hired to work with him?
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:24 PM

DD and his shades. But he looked horrid when he took them off. Was there a medical explanation to his addiction?

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:35 PM

View PostLagavulin62, on 13 February 2018 - 01:24 PM, said:

DD and his shades. But he looked horrid when he took them off. Was there a medical explanation to his addiction?
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:42 PM

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 13 February 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 12 February 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

I remember watching him pre broadcasting when he was giving it one last go. It was on the range at the john deere right before the british open and he had just started working with Chris, looked like their second lesson together or so and Chris had him hitting I'm talking major wipes. like 200 yard low weak slices. I could hear them talking and Chris was having him swing majorly down and left, was super steep and face open. I pretty much knew then it was over. He couldn't keep it on the planet doing what Chris was telling him to do
These types of comments on this site baffle me. First, you have no idea what they were working on. 2nd, how on earth did it look like it was their 2nd seasion together? 3rd, why on earth would you know what was best for Duval more than the guy he hired to work with him?

well since you asked,  I worked with an instructor for many lessons who trained Chris, Chris was teaching him the exact same stuff I was taught. Did you see where I mentioned I was close enough to hear them talking so I knew exactly what was going on. This was right at the time David hired Chris, it was clearly one of the first few lessons and I even heard Chris tell him they had a long way to go and were just getting started. The ball flight was terrible and he couldn't keep it on the range they were slicing so bad.

Chris is over obsessed with swinging steep and left on downswing. Chris thinks everyone is too shallow and has nearly everyone swing like how Kuchar is in this video, very wipey for most people and that's exactly what was happening with David.

https://www.youtube....h?v=G3JthDT7EtI


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:58 PM

View PostRedjeep83, on 13 February 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 13 February 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 12 February 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

I remember watching him pre broadcasting when he was giving it one last go. It was on the range at the john deere right before the british open and he had just started working with Chris, looked like their second lesson together or so and Chris had him hitting I'm talking major wipes. like 200 yard low weak slices. I could hear them talking and Chris was having him swing majorly down and left, was super steep and face open. I pretty much knew then it was over. He couldn't keep it on the planet doing what Chris was telling him to do
These types of comments on this site baffle me. First, you have no idea what they were working on. 2nd, how on earth did it look like it was their 2nd seasion together? 3rd, why on earth would you know what was best for Duval more than the guy he hired to work with him?

well since you asked,  I worked with an instructor for many lessons who trained Chris, Chris was teaching him the exact same stuff I was taught. Did you see where I mentioned I was close enough to hear them talking so I knew exactly what was going on. This was right at the time David hired Chris, it was clearly one of the first few lessons and I even heard Chris tell him they had a long way to go and were just getting started. The ball flight was terrible and he couldn't keep it on the range they were slicing so bad.

Chris is over obsessed with swinging steep and left on downswing. Chris thinks everyone is too shallow and has nearly everyone swing like how Kuchar is in this video, very wipey for most people and that's exactly what was happening with David.

https://www.youtube....h?v=G3JthDT7EtI
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:28 PM

Wasn't Duval one of those who played better out of shape. Was a little heavier and was striping it. and slimmed down and lost his game?
Regardless, if I was Duval, I would play until they told me I couldn't anymore. Doesn't matter if I shot 77, 80. I was world number 1, I already have proved myself.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:38 PM

He was one of those players that took the fitness too far and started enjoying the working out more than why he was working out.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:41 PM

View PostWidespreadPanic, on 13 February 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

View PostRedjeep83, on 12 February 2018 - 01:48 PM, said:

I remember watching him pre broadcasting when he was giving it one last go. It was on the range at the john deere right before the british open and he had just started working with Chris, looked like their second lesson together or so and Chris had him hitting I'm talking major wipes. like 200 yard low weak slices. I could hear them talking and Chris was having him swing majorly down and left, was super steep and face open. I pretty much knew then it was over. He couldn't keep it on the planet doing what Chris was telling him to do
These types of comments on this site baffle me. First, you have no idea what they were working on. 2nd, how on earth did it look like it was their 2nd seasion together? 3rd, why on earth would you know what was best for Duval more than the guy he hired to work with him?

Working with someone in no way guarantees that they know whats best for you. If what he said he witnessed as far as what the instructor had him doing is true then its obvious based on us all watching DD swing that maybe he didnt know what was best.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:24 PM

Id really like to know what he thought he was teaching. Just looking at that exercise bothers me as I spent my childhood fixing a slice. Is this meant to help cure someone with an awful hook?


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:37 PM

David Duvall, Brad Faxon, DLIII, Steve Ellington all had their personal sand wedges forged by Titleist with their names on them. Each came with a little leather bound book describing the grind. Last time Titleist sold a forged wedge in the U.S.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:43 PM

Pebble is similar to the Masters in my mind, where it's OK if some of the guys who aren't quite up to snuff still get a spot, especially ones with his CV.
Since you cannot get sacked, dunked on, or body checked into the boards in golf, it obviously makes it easier for guys to hang on longer than they maybe should.

Regardless, 13 wins in 3.5 years during the Tiger era was a helluva run, especially bowing out (unbeknownst at the time obviously) with his only major. Who else - besides the true greats - have managed something like that?

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