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#61 PerseveringGolf

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 06:43 AM

Can anyone shed light on the pro's (one pro further up) who has a handicap? I was under the illusion that no pro on the planet has a handicap?


Back on topic; Rick said in his pre round vlog he was driving the ball oonbelievable! Best part of his game and his vlogs back that up.

There can be no excuses as Finch also does daily vlogs etc etc and shot a decent score for a driving range pro (I really hate his moveaway on all swings though)


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:24 AM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 11 February 2018 - 06:29 PM, said:

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View PostHawkeye77, on 11 February 2018 - 06:10 PM, said:

I don't get how some are suggesting vanity cap, whatever handicap he has is taken from the comps he plays in (not sure this one would count for his system) and he's posted up his scores in the area tournaments he's played in, so whatever handicap he has should be legit.

Well in his intro video before the tournament began, he claimed he doesn't even have a handicap, because he's a Pro. (Which doesn't even make any sense).

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Also, when looking up "Shiels" on GHIN's website, nothing comes up. So maybe he actually doesn't hold a handicap for some odd reason?
Alot pros dont

I thought GHIN was a US based system?  The UK uses something different no?

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:26 AM

Some pro's here in Australia maintain a handicap, but it's because they a financial member of a club and they play in the normal members club comps ie. midweek or Sat/Sun comps.

Marc Leishman comes to mind, not sure about posting a link here whether it will stay here or not (sorry forums rules guy!)
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He's a member at Warrnambool, on the SW coast of Vic. Windy as hell a lot of the time, hence why he's so good in the windy conditions.

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I've seen or played with a few other Aussie pros who maintain a cap as well, though they dont get to play too much club golf necessarily. And obviously they dont use the caps in pro tournaments.

A lot of the US pros will have a handicap that is used for when they play in club comps for the home course, I remember Bubba being of +7.7 at Isleworth (google "bubba watson handicap isleworth") and click the first link and you'll see some other notables.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:29 AM

View Posttyorke1, on 11 February 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

If playing golf is not your living then we are all capable of bad weeks . Also how many tourny's has he played this year and when you know the internet world is watching then it might be hard to focus on golf.  I would be really surprised if other tourny golfers would criticize how anyone played a weekend and certainly no offence to higher caps or non  tourny players but these are the ones usually criticizing. I missed the cut at nationals that was for me 9rds in nine days after losing a tourny by a shot the previous 4 days and all some people could say is did you choke were you nervous, the fact that I played 9rds in nine days and 3 months later would get a total hip replacement , no the only thing was that they couldn't understand the 79-77. Rick is excellent at what he does , I enjoy his video's and I could care less what his tourny scores are, his swing looks just fine.

You are correct- nobody cares about anything but the scorecard.  Pending hip replacement, too many rounds, arse itches.....personal problems.  That week he/you sucked.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:40 AM

View PostHawkeye77, on 11 February 2018 - 06:35 PM, said:

View PostSantiago Golf, on 11 February 2018 - 06:29 PM, said:

View PostjacobEDGE, on 11 February 2018 - 06:21 PM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 11 February 2018 - 06:10 PM, said:

I don't get how some are suggesting vanity cap, whatever handicap he has is taken from the comps he plays in (not sure this one would count for his system) and he's posted up his scores in the area tournaments he's played in, so whatever handicap he has should be legit.

Well in his intro video before the tournament began, he claimed he doesn't even have a handicap, because he's a Pro. (Which doesn't even make any sense).

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Also, when looking up "Shiels" on GHIN's website, nothing comes up. So maybe he actually doesn't hold a handicap for some odd reason?
Alot pros dont

Thanks and there you are - he apparently doesn't.

Having said that, it's not hard to search his event results for those that are curious.  Some good, some not good - inconsistent as you might expect.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:55 AM

View PostjacobEDGE, on 11 February 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

Also, he's definitely not a "hack". I think he's just not been focusing on tournament golf as of late. Here are his stats from 2016.

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Making 11 cuts from 12 events. Averaging 72.4 in tournament conditions. Yeah, I doubt many people on here can do the same.

Um, those appear to be one day events.  12 events,  12 rounds.

Not too many 1 day events have cuts.  I've yet to play in one. Maybe that's something they do over on that side of the pond.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:20 AM

View PostPerseveringGolf, on 12 February 2018 - 06:43 AM, said:

Can anyone shed light on the pro's (one pro further up) who has a handicap? I was under the illusion that no pro on the planet has a handicap?

Many enter their scores into the system like everyone else. Itís how we know Tigerís 2007 handicap at Isleworth was +11, Bubba +7, etc.. They arenít super accurate, as most donít enter all their rounds, but we can all agree the guys on tour play alright in tournaments.

What this comes down to is the difference between not having a handicap and not needing a handicap. Professionals donít need a handicap for pro events, but they can still have one. Iím sure Rick knows exactly what his handicap is, but said he didnít have one as a way to relieve pressure.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:33 AM

So is there one internet guru who has shown to be better at golf than the others? The only one I have ever even heard of is Mark Crossfield. Also, good teachers are often times only adequate golfers. If you took the top 50 teachers in the world how many could shoot even close to par.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:52 AM

View PostjacobEDGE, on 11 February 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

Also, he's definitely not a "hack". I think he's just not been focusing on tournament golf as of late. Here are his stats from 2016.

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Making 11 cuts from 12 events. Averaging 72.4 in tournament conditions. Yeah, I doubt many people on here can do the same.

As stated above - none of the events he played in had a cut. 1 round in the 60s from 12, hardly the performances of a guy likely to qualify for The Open.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:15 AM

I think he's much better than the scores he shot in this event.  Most here have no idea how much time and work goes into keeping a social media profile like his.  People who don't understand it criticize it as "fake" business but I assure you that it's real work.  My daughter does the same for her business on several platforms and the poor kid works 14 hours a day, seven days a week at it....with six employees/interns also working at it.  She, like Shiels, has a very successful business but her real social/family life does suffer as a result.  It's what it takes these days to run a successful internet based business.  That doesn't even consider the actual logistics of running the business and all that entails.  Who has time to play serious golf?  I give Shiels props for putting himself out there for criticism.  He could just stay away from competition and let everyone just assume that he's a great player but he doesn't.  I admire the hell out of him for creating international recognition and a big business out of absolute thin air....how can you criticize that?  It's remarkable.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:26 AM

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My usual group of playing partners are 4 pga pros from my area... none carry handicaps because they are pros.  When pros sign up for tournament, they don't ask for handicaps so why have one...

I don't play in any events that require a handicap, and I have one. It's a real nice, simple, easy way to know where your game is at. If someone asks how good you are at golf, you can shoot off a simple number that most people will understand. Also, bragging rights, my dude.

View PostOutlier, on 12 February 2018 - 07:24 AM, said:

I thought GHIN was a US based system?  The UK uses something different no?

That I'm not sure. On GHIN's website, when you go to the lookup function it asks for a State and Last Name. It allowed me to choose Europe/England as the State. They actually have most foreign countries listed. Which makes me assume you can have a GHIN outside of America.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:31 AM

He said on social media that for some reason he gets very nervous when playing competitive golf. It sounds like that may have affected him again.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:34 AM

View PostJordan Speeth, on 12 February 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

I think he's much better than the scores he shot in this event.  Most here have no idea how much time and work goes into keeping a social media profile like his.  People who don't understand it criticize it as "fake" business but I assure you that it's real work.  My daughter does the same for her business on several platforms and the poor kid works 14 hours a day, seven days a week at it....with six employees/interns also working at it.  She, like Shiels, has a very successful business but her real social/family life does suffer as a result.  It's what it takes these days to run a successful internet based business.  That doesn't even consider the actual logistics of running the business and all that entails.  Who has time to play serious golf?  I give Shiels props for putting himself out there for criticism.  He could just stay away from competition and let everyone just assume that he's a great player but he doesn't.  I admire the hell out of him for creating international recognition and a big business out of absolute thin air....how can you criticize that?  It's remarkable.

I mentioned upthread that it must be very time-consuming to be a YouTube 'celebrity". Which is probably one reason why he isn't much of a player.

But the fact remains, he does not actually play the game at an especially high level of accomplishment. Which is why I keep wondering why anyone cares what he says about golf clubs (which mostly consists of regurgitated marketing gobbledegook anyway) or why anyone would want to learn from him as a golf teacher.

There are a hundred guys on GolfWRX who know more about golf equipment than Rick Shiels and there are at least 20 guys at my golf club who are better players. Obviously YouTube fame as a golf pseudo-authority requires no particular equipment knowledge nor does it require being able to, you know, shoot around par once in a while from the back tees.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 02:33 PM

I donít know why Shiels should be held to a higher standard than any of these other teachers or ďauthoritiesĒ.  Iím pretty sure that if you threw Butch Harmon, Hank Haney, Rick Smith, et al out there, they wouldnít fare any better.  That wouldnít diminish their credentials as teachers.  Nor do David Duvalís poor showings lately hurt his credibility, at all.  Shiels is doing what heís doing at a very high level, just like those guys are.  You can only do so much with the time youíve got and heís using his time to present a very high quality product to his followers.  Is he the last word?...probably not, but heís reliable and interesting to watch and listen to for many.  Itís as much entertainment as educational.  Heís got a huge audience...hard to argue with his success.  Personally, I donít expect him to be the greatest player there is.  None of my great teachers have been great players.  In fact, many of them rarely even have the time to play, much less practice.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 03:47 PM

It you find him entertaining, great. Not saying he doesn't or shouldn't have his audience.

I just can't figure why anyone would be surprised he shoots a million in some tournament. If you've seen his videos where he plays, it's no surprise at all.

And I sure as heck can't imagine anyone considers him an "authority" on golf clubs. Of course the fact I can't imagine it doesn't mean it ain't true...

Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 03:53 PM

I would imagine that his 'no handicap' statement means he is playing off zero, scratch like all club pros play off here in the UK.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 03:58 PM

The only Pro-Am I've played in, the three of us Ams each got our handicap strokes (one of us was scratch as it turned out) and the Pro played off scratch. So I guess in theory some of the Pros were better players and some were worse but there was no handicapping to equalize them.

I'll also say my teams Pro was suffering through a bout of the shanks and we were playing a links course in rain and a 20-30mph wind. So his round was very Rick Shiels-esque on that particular day!
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 05:36 PM

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 05:43 PM

View PostMan_O_War, on 11 February 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

now i am really worried about all the internet swing gurus...so many of them creep up from everywhere and off we go with their latest craze.
Well, Rick Shiels is less of a swing guru and more of a YouTube golf magazine. He's in the same category as Me and My Golf.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:15 PM

View Postherbygolf21, on 12 February 2018 - 08:55 AM, said:

View PostjacobEDGE, on 11 February 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

Also, he's definitely not a "hack". I think he's just not been focusing on tournament golf as of late. Here are his stats from 2016.

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Making 11 cuts from 12 events. Averaging 72.4 in tournament conditions. Yeah, I doubt many people on here can do the same.

Um, those appear to be one day events.  12 events,  12 rounds.

Not too many 1 day events have cuts.  I've yet to play in one. Maybe that's something they do over on that side of the pond.

They also appear to be actual scores.

And yes, Monday events.  Over on this side of the pond PGA sections have Monday events, at least where we live, all throughout the season - that's when folks have some time to actually play.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:36 PM

His spin rates must have been off.  Give the guy a break.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:15 PM

His snap hooks must've not been "just missing the fairway" like they do in his reviews :butcher:

As Lockey would say "How embarrassing"
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:31 AM

 BreakingPar, on 12 February 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

His snap hooks must've not been "just missing the fairway" like they do in his reviews :butcher:

As Lockey would say "How embarrassing"

One reason I'm surprised people pay for lessons from him. 40 yards left or right is "just missing fairway."

Half that distance left or right at my course and you'd be three off the tee.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:40 AM

 JonnyKrasnodar, on 13 February 2018 - 03:31 AM, said:

 BreakingPar, on 12 February 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

His snap hooks must've not been "just missing the fairway" like they do in his reviews :butcher:

As Lockey would say "How embarrassing"

One reason I'm surprised people pay for lessons from him. 40 yards left or right is "just missing fairway."

Half that distance left or right at my course and you'd be three off the tee.
think its about $200 a lesson also :swoon:

I see he's now on the Golf Channel panel testing drivers with the aim of coming up with a new design which will be built!


I'm not a fan, HOWEVER, he has created a decent living for his family from thin air- y'all gotta respect that.

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#85 TheInfidel

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:13 AM

To be fair he did say on his instagram it was some of his worst competitive golf ever.  Good honesty I thought.  

The guy does a good job producing relevant content for golfers who frequent forums like GolfWRX.  

For me, he's a lot more value add than people like Paige S, who fights cyber bullying in her bikini from magazine covers while shooting 100.  Just my take.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:33 AM

 Outlier, on 12 February 2018 - 07:24 AM, said:

 Santiago Golf, on 11 February 2018 - 06:29 PM, said:

 jacobEDGE, on 11 February 2018 - 06:21 PM, said:

 Hawkeye77, on 11 February 2018 - 06:10 PM, said:

I don't get how some are suggesting vanity cap, whatever handicap he has is taken from the comps he plays in (not sure this one would count for his system) and he's posted up his scores in the area tournaments he's played in, so whatever handicap he has should be legit.

Well in his intro video before the tournament began, he claimed he doesn't even have a handicap, because he's a Pro. (Which doesn't even make any sense).

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Also, when looking up "Shiels" on GHIN's website, nothing comes up. So maybe he actually doesn't hold a handicap for some odd reason?
Alot pros dont

I thought GHIN was a US based system?  The UK uses something different no?

We use Congu, link attached in case anyone is interested.

http://www.congu.co.uk

There are rumours of a world wide handicap system coming in but who knows.

You only have to be a 4 handicap to turn pro over here, I think the playing test is now similar to the US one.

Pros over here are generally not allowed to play in the club competitions so he won't have a handicap of any sort officially.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:10 AM

^^^

This is a fair summary.

Also, for reference, in the UK the white tees are normally the comp tees at our clubs. So not the 'middle' tees like they would be in other countries. I think he normally plays off these in his vlogs unless course conditions (winter setups) dictate otherwise.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:17 AM

 Hawkeye77, on 11 February 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

 Londoner, on 11 February 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:

 Hawkeye77, on 11 February 2018 - 02:35 PM, said:

On vacation with his family, little or no play or practice in winter, not all that surprising. I'll bet anyone he played with had a great time.

I understand all that but my pal plays off 1 and has a day job. I can't see him scoring like that.

Okay, so is this or isn't it a bash?  Your responses haven't really seemed to provide much in the way of support.  Let's have a "get 'em next time, Rick!"
Stating facts isn't a bash. For someone who makes his living based on his alleged golf knowledge and skill, that's a very poor score.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:15 AM

 Londoner, on 11 February 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:


I understand all that but my pal plays off 1 and has a day job. I can't see him scoring like that.

It does happen.

+2 over par winning it at a 6,300 yard course either tells me the field stinks or the conditions were horrendous.  I tend to take the latter.  And I don't know about over in Europe, but in the states you can get on a lot of gimmicky courses.

I don't think Shiels is Tour level caliber talent, but I think it's fair to say that he's far better than shooting 88 on a 6,300 yard course.






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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:20 AM

Richie,

I believe someone upthread stated that it was 6,300 meters. Which is a somewhat different thing!

Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.

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