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What wedge did Jordan play into 18th at Pebble today?


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 05:57 PM

Jordan is great at those short wedge shots that bounce twice then stop immediately with spin like he just did on 18.

I was curious which wedge he plays on those knock down spinny shots that stop....I was thinking its not a lob cause of high spin but is it??  Thanks

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:02 PM

Either  52 or 56.  My guess is 52.if you hit a lob with that AoA youíd get a lot more height than that.  Could have even been pw maybe.  Still my guess is 52

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:22 PM

I think it was a knock down GW. I was on 18 when he hit it. Super low ball flight
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 07:36 PM

 ebrasmus21, on 10 February 2018 - 06:22 PM, said:

I think it was a knock down GW. I was on 18 when he hit it. Super low ball flight

ha....  knew it...  i love that shot... !
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 08:11 PM

On Inside the PGA tour show this week he talked about this shot.  He said it's his favorite shot to hit, because the crowd always thinks it's coming in too low and way too hot.

Fresh grooves every couple months must be nice :) straight saucin' those darts in there.


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:58 PM

 Barfolomew, on 10 February 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Jordan is great at those short wedge shots that bounce twice then stop immediately with spin like he just did on 18.

I was curious which wedge he plays on those knock down spinny shots that stop....I was thinking its not a lob cause of high spin but is it??  Thanks

Believe it or not and this has been proven on track man if you hit a 52 or 56 in those situations you get more spin because you’re trapping the ball more easily than by using a lob wedge. It’s easier to hit those solid and control the distance

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:05 PM

As someone that frequently tries that shot with varying degrees of success I can say that it is at MOST a very hooded over 56* and occasionally for me/probably for him a 52*.
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:10 PM

 lowheel, on 10 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

 Barfolomew, on 10 February 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Jordan is great at those short wedge shots that bounce twice then stop immediately with spin like he just did on 18.

I was curious which wedge he plays on those knock down spinny shots that stop....I was thinking its not a lob cause of high spin but is it??  Thanks

Believe it or not and this has been proven on track man if you hit a 52 or 56 in those situations you get more spin because you’re trapping the ball more easily than by using a lob wedge. It’s easier to hit those solid and control the distance


absolutely true....a player like jordan only uses his lob wedge for a full number or to get out of jail.... he isnt chipping and pitching with it.. you ave zero real control ( spin)  if you arent trapping the ball and throwing the anchor out... im constantly amazed at the guys that will hit either a high lob or a chiped 9 iron in that instance..neither have any spin on them and you are at the mercy of the green as it runs out...
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:39 PM

 bladehunter, on 10 February 2018 - 11:10 PM, said:

 lowheel, on 10 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

 Barfolomew, on 10 February 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Jordan is great at those short wedge shots that bounce twice then stop immediately with spin like he just did on 18.

I was curious which wedge he plays on those knock down spinny shots that stop....I was thinking its not a lob cause of high spin but is it??  Thanks

Believe it or not and this has been proven on track man if you hit a 52 or 56 in those situations you get more spin because you’re trapping the ball more easily than by using a lob wedge. It’s easier to hit those solid and control the distance


absolutely true....a player like jordan only uses his lob wedge for a full number or to get out of jail.... he isnt chipping and pitching with it..

Especially since he is listed as using the 60-04 L Grind Vokey which is a maximum "get out of jail" wedge that i'd only really touch on full shots if the lie was very dry/hard.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 03:32 AM

I've seen guys hit this shot with a 60...think it involves catching it low on the face to get such a low launch. Not saying that's how Jordan hits it but I know it is possible.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 03:45 AM

I think you’ll find it’s a 60*

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 08:51 AM

 bushy007, on 11 February 2018 - 03:45 AM, said:

I think youíll find itís a 60*

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Expected a video of the shot and the club.  Lol.   That video shows a shot coming in higher and spinning back.  Not a low skipper that stops.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:08 AM

I didnít see the shot in question, so donít know if this is apples to apples, but here is a video of him talking about pitch shot technique.  Itís a 60 with this one.  There are other videos in the series....

https://youtu.be/VXnTfgGVyV0

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:16 AM

 bladehunter, on 11 February 2018 - 08:51 AM, said:

 bushy007, on 11 February 2018 - 03:45 AM, said:

I think you’ll find it’s a 60*

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Expected a video of the shot and the club.  Lol.   That video shows a shot coming in higher and spinning back.  Not a low skipper that stops.

I guess the part where he mentions the 60 specifically and that it’s a low spinner that hops and comes back is too much of a giveaway.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:17 AM

 lowheel, on 10 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

 Barfolomew, on 10 February 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Jordan is great at those short wedge shots that bounce twice then stop immediately with spin like he just did on 18.

I was curious which wedge he plays on those knock down spinny shots that stop....I was thinking its not a lob cause of high spin but is it??  Thanks

Believe it or not and this has been proven on track man if you hit a 52 or 56 in those situations you get more spin because you’re trapping the ball more easily than by using a lob wedge. It’s easier to hit those solid and control the distance

I've found this to be true myself.  Lob wedges always pop up for me, but a little skipping 52 stops controllably and reliably every time.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:19 AM

He hits his 60 degree for that shot.  Iíve seen an interview where he said he finishes low to flight the ball with his 60.  In the TourTalk from this week he says he loves skipping it in and expects it to spin back to where it lands.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:22 AM

 bushy007, on 11 February 2018 - 09:16 AM, said:

 bladehunter, on 11 February 2018 - 08:51 AM, said:

 bushy007, on 11 February 2018 - 03:45 AM, said:

I think youíll find itís a 60*

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Expected a video of the shot and the club.  Lol.   That video shows a shot coming in higher and spinning back.  Not a low skipper that stops.

I guess the part where he mentions the 60 specifically and that itís a low spinner that hops and comes back is too much of a giveaway.

Yet the shot shown isnít a low spinner.  Itís a mid traj ball that spins back 6 feet.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:10 AM

 bladehunter, on 11 February 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

 bushy007, on 11 February 2018 - 09:16 AM, said:

 bladehunter, on 11 February 2018 - 08:51 AM, said:

 bushy007, on 11 February 2018 - 03:45 AM, said:

I think you'll find it's a 60*

https://www.facebook...54938105536330/



Expected a video of the shot and the club.  Lol.   That video shows a shot coming in higher and spinning back.  Not a low skipper that stops.

I guess the part where he mentions the 60 specifically and that it's a low spinner that hops and comes back is too much of a giveaway.

Yet the shot shown isn't a low spinner.  It's a mid traj ball that spins back 6 feet.

It's his 60.  There's a video of the shot on PGATOUR.com from yesterday.  It wasn't that low of a shot actually.  It's just that it skipped forward off the fringe.  The shot last year was the lower, checky one he hits from around 60 yards.  Yesterday was more of a mid trajectory.  There's a Titleist wedge video on YouTube from a few years back where he goes over these shots.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:24 AM

Well if thereís a video that shows the club. Then I stand corrected.  But Facebook videos from 6 months ago arenít the same thing as ď hereís a video of the shot.  See the club ď.    The millennial use of the 60 for everything never ceases to perplex me.  Why carry anything else if you are just  going to deloft a 60 12 degrees ?
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 12:41 PM

 stu_man, on 11 February 2018 - 10:10 AM, said:

 bladehunter, on 11 February 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

 bushy007, on 11 February 2018 - 09:16 AM, said:

 bladehunter, on 11 February 2018 - 08:51 AM, said:

 bushy007, on 11 February 2018 - 03:45 AM, said:

I think you'll find it's a 60*

https://www.facebook...54938105536330/

Stu were you there? The shot was plenty low when the comparison is a full bore 60*



Expected a video of the shot and the club.  Lol.   That video shows a shot coming in higher and spinning back.  Not a low skipper that stops.

I guess the part where he mentions the 60 specifically and that it's a low spinner that hops and comes back is too much of a giveaway.

Yet the shot shown isn't a low spinner.  It's a mid traj ball that spins back 6 feet.

It's his 60.  There's a video of the shot on PGATOUR.com from yesterday.  It wasn't that low of a shot actually.  It's just that it skipped forward off the fringe.  The shot last year was the lower, checky one he hits from around 60 yards.  Yesterday was more of a mid trajectory.  There's a Titleist wedge video on YouTube from a few years back where he goes over these shots.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 12:57 PM

Stu were you there? The shot was plenty low when the comparison is a full bore 60*
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 01:44 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 10 February 2018 - 11:10 PM, said:

View Postlowheel, on 10 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

View PostBarfolomew, on 10 February 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Jordan is great at those short wedge shots that bounce twice then stop immediately with spin like he just did on 18.

I was curious which wedge he plays on those knock down spinny shots that stop....I was thinking its not a lob cause of high spin but is it??  Thanks

Believe it or not and this has been proven on track man if you hit a 52 or 56 in those situations you get more spin because youíre trapping the ball more easily than by using a lob wedge. Itís easier to hit those solid and control the distance


absolutely true....a player like jordan only uses his lob wedge for a full number or to get out of jail.... he isnt chipping and pitching with it.. you ave zero real control ( spin)  if you arent trapping the ball and throwing the anchor out... im constantly amazed at the guys that will hit either a high lob or a chiped 9 iron in that instance..neither have any spin on them and you are at the mercy of the green as it runs out...

He pitches and chips with a 60* constantly.  

A lower lofted club only spins more in certain circumstances and is very player dependent.   Many players donít have friction issues from rightish fairway lies and produce the most spin with their most lofted wedge.   Lots of good players can spin a 60* wedge at 6,000rpms or more from as little as 10-15 yards away and many are doing so with an open faced 60*.   It comes down to technique.

The ball is never ďtrappedĒ.   Itís all about controlling friction.  If you can get friction the higher the loft the more spin youíll produce.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 04:27 PM

New grooves, dead solid impact, great technique might be more important than loft.  That's loft, not LOFT.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 05:22 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 11 February 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Well if there’s a video that shows the club. Then I stand corrected.  But Facebook videos from 6 months ago aren’t the same thing as “ here’s a video of the shot.  See the club “.    The millennial use of the 60 for everything never ceases to perplex me.  Why carry anything else if you are just  going to deloft a 60 12 degrees ?

It’s not about the shots in the video. It’s about the words coming out of his mouth.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 05:33 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 11 February 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Well if there’s a video that shows the club. Then I stand corrected.  But Facebook videos from 6 months ago aren’t the same thing as “ here’s a video of the shot.  See the club “.    The millennial use of the 60 for everything never ceases to perplex me.  Why carry anything else if you are just  going to deloft a 60 12 degrees ?
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 01:50 PM

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I think you'll find it's a 60*

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Expected a video of the shot and the club.  Lol.   That video shows a shot coming in higher and spinning back.  Not a low skipper that stops.

I guess the part where he mentions the 60 specifically and that it's a low spinner that hops and comes back is too much of a giveaway.

Yet the shot shown isn't a low spinner.  It's a mid traj ball that spins back 6 feet.

Ya its mid traj but stop on a dime but not spinning back....
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 05:59 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 11 February 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 10 February 2018 - 11:10 PM, said:

View Postlowheel, on 10 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

View PostBarfolomew, on 10 February 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Jordan is great at those short wedge shots that bounce twice then stop immediately with spin like he just did on 18.

I was curious which wedge he plays on those knock down spinny shots that stop....I was thinking its not a lob cause of high spin but is it??  Thanks

Believe it or not and this has been proven on track man if you hit a 52 or 56 in those situations you get more spin because youíre trapping the ball more easily than by using a lob wedge. Itís easier to hit those solid and control the distance


absolutely true....a player like jordan only uses his lob wedge for a full number or to get out of jail.... he isnt chipping and pitching with it.. you ave zero real control ( spin)  if you arent trapping the ball and throwing the anchor out... im constantly amazed at the guys that will hit either a high lob or a chiped 9 iron in that instance..neither have any spin on them and you are at the mercy of the green as it runs out...

He pitches and chips with a 60* constantly.  

A lower lofted club only spins more in certain circumstances and is very player dependent.   Many players donít have friction issues from rightish fairway lies and produce the most spin with their most lofted wedge.   Lots of good players can spin a 60* wedge at 6,000rpms or more from as little as 10-15 yards away and many are doing so with an open faced 60*.   It comes down to technique.

The ball is never ďtrappedĒ.   Itís all about controlling friction.  If you can get friction the higher the loft the more spin youíll produce.


To each his own I guess. Iím a very high spin player.  I love that shot.  And I use my gap or sand wedge depending on length of flight.  Itís hitting and dropping anchor where it is.  For me a 60 just comes out higher and with less control. Just seems much harder to clip clean for a low shot. I would actually see less spin with a lob wedge due to contact .     Something about a 51-52 degree wedge fits my motion.  Never really seen anyone pitch with a lob wedge.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 06:17 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 11 February 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 10 February 2018 - 11:10 PM, said:

View Postlowheel, on 10 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

View PostBarfolomew, on 10 February 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Jordan is great at those short wedge shots that bounce twice then stop immediately with spin like he just did on 18.

I was curious which wedge he plays on those knock down spinny shots that stop....I was thinking its not a lob cause of high spin but is it??  Thanks

Believe it or not and this has been proven on track man if you hit a 52 or 56 in those situations you get more spin because you're trapping the ball more easily than by using a lob wedge. It's easier to hit those solid and control the distance


absolutely true....a player like jordan only uses his lob wedge for a full number or to get out of jail.... he isnt chipping and pitching with it.. you ave zero real control ( spin)  if you arent trapping the ball and throwing the anchor out... im constantly amazed at the guys that will hit either a high lob or a chiped 9 iron in that instance..neither have any spin on them and you are at the mercy of the green as it runs out...

He pitches and chips with a 60* constantly.  

A lower lofted club only spins more in certain circumstances and is very player dependent.   Many players don't have friction issues from rightish fairway lies and produce the most spin with their most lofted wedge.   Lots of good players can spin a 60* wedge at 6,000rpms or more from as little as 10-15 yards away and many are doing so with an open faced 60*.   It comes down to technique.

The ball is never "trapped".   It's all about controlling friction.  If you can get friction the higher the loft the more spin you'll produce.

Not to get semantic with you but when i referenced trapped what i meant was the ball stays on the face a little longer than with the higher lofted 60* or 64*.Not as much of a glancing blow. Youre are right that its lie/grass dependent and player dependent ( more hands/ less handsy) and the  AOA/bounce plays a factor. its easier for higher handicaps to take less loft with a little more bounce to increase the margin of error and get max spin/control and consistent results

Edited by lowheel, 12 February 2018 - 06:19 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 06:21 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 12 February 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 11 February 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 10 February 2018 - 11:10 PM, said:

View Postlowheel, on 10 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

View PostBarfolomew, on 10 February 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Jordan is great at those short wedge shots that bounce twice then stop immediately with spin like he just did on 18.

I was curious which wedge he plays on those knock down spinny shots that stop....I was thinking its not a lob cause of high spin but is it??  Thanks

Believe it or not and this has been proven on track man if you hit a 52 or 56 in those situations you get more spin because you're trapping the ball more easily than by using a lob wedge. It's easier to hit those solid and control the distance


absolutely true....a player like jordan only uses his lob wedge for a full number or to get out of jail.... he isnt chipping and pitching with it.. you ave zero real control ( spin)  if you arent trapping the ball and throwing the anchor out... im constantly amazed at the guys that will hit either a high lob or a chiped 9 iron in that instance..neither have any spin on them and you are at the mercy of the green as it runs out...

He pitches and chips with a 60* constantly.  

A lower lofted club only spins more in certain circumstances and is very player dependent.   Many players don't have friction issues from rightish fairway lies and produce the most spin with their most lofted wedge.   Lots of good players can spin a 60* wedge at 6,000rpms or more from as little as 10-15 yards away and many are doing so with an open faced 60*.   It comes down to technique.

The ball is never "trapped".   It's all about controlling friction.  If you can get friction the higher the loft the more spin you'll produce.


To each his own I guess. I'm a very high spin player.  I love that shot.  And I use my gap or sand wedge depending on length of flight.  It's hitting and dropping anchor where it is.  For me a 60 just comes out higher and with less control. Just seems much harder to clip clean for a low shot. I would actually see less spin with a lob wedge due to contact . Something about a 51-52 degree wedge fits my motion.  Never really seen anyone pitch with a lob wedge.

Essentially i agree. Grass and lie are a huge factor. Playing in the northeast versus south east changes that.i can get same rpms with the 56* that i can with the 60*.

Edited by lowheel, 12 February 2018 - 06:22 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:01 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 11 February 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

Well if there's a video that shows the club. Then I stand corrected.  But Facebook videos from 6 months ago aren't the same thing as " here's a video of the shot.  See the club ". The millennial use of the 60 for everything never ceases to perplex me.  Why carry anything else if you are just  going to deloft a 60 12 degrees ?
I know for me I use a 60 for literally every shot inside of 100 yards except for long bunker shots. I have found its a lot more beneficial and simplifies the game for me if I only have to think about how I am going to hit the shot instead of how I am going to hit a shot and what club will accomplish that. If I can hit a bump and run with a 60 and a high flop with a 60, plus every shot in between, why do I need to pull a different club? Plus for me growing up it was a lot easier to practice short game with one club instead of carrying 3-4 different clubs with me every time. I guess it reduces the variability, so if I hit a bad shot I know it was my fault instead of wondering if I should have used a different club.

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