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#1 Stephens24

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 04:16 PM

Usually chip with 52.....I know the rollout so I fly it accordingly even if pin in back.....but apparently getting it on the green ASAP is the way to go.... But deciding between and 8 9 or PW I have no idea.....us that just a more reps you do the better on that?


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 04:18 PM

Just need to practice, also try to figure out what your landing spots are on hard/soft greens and what type of shot your best at executing on them.

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 04:19 PM

Just reps and play the same ball all the time so you know what it will do.
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 05:11 PM

There is a really good video of Brian Manzella explaining the "Rule of 12", which Paul Runyan developed decades ago as the Rule of 11 before clubs were delofted.

Easy answer to your question is to do some practice work with your 52, and determine what the carry to roll ratio is on a simple, flat chip.  I'm going to guess that it's going to be about 1:1, or thereabouts, and you can add one part roll for each club you go down in loft.  So if your 52 is 1:1, then your PW is 1:2, your 9i would be 1:3, and so on.

Of course, that's just a starting point; things like lie, slope, green speed, etc., will change you up or down a club or more quite often.  But there are a couple of advantages; you basically use one chipping stroke and really focus on the landing spot, and most teachers would agree that judging and controlling roll is easier than judging and controlling carry.

Many years ago when I was first shown this method in a short game lesson with a very good teaching pro who was also a VERY good player, he started with this question: "Why do you putt on the green instead of chipping the ball to the hole?"  I laughed, but he insisted that I think about it and give him my best answer, which is, of course, that it's easier to roll the ball.  And so it is with using multiple clubs to chip and getting the ball rolling as quickly as possible.

A lot of people on this board love to talk about chipping with one club and adjusting their swing accordingly, and that's fine.  But I think that you'd be hard pressed to find many teaching pros that would urge amateur golfers to use fewer clubs and more swings than the other way around, and NO teaching pros that would say that, all other things equal, flying the ball is more reliable than rolling the ball.

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:38 PM

Just wouldn't have the time to develop the expertise for using 6-7 or more different clubs for chipping.


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 08:10 PM

Get the ball rolling ASAP.   Also it far easier to hit a chip solid with less loft (radius of the face is closer to the ball).  Learn to putt chip

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 08:15 PM

View Postseve1972, on 10 February 2018 - 08:10 PM, said:

Get the ball rolling ASAP.   Also it far easier to hit a chip solid with less loft (radius of the face is closer to the ball).  Learn to putt chip

Or hybrid!

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 09:39 PM

Somewhere along the line, it was all 60* for me and I was pretty deft around the greens.  But when I missed, I really missed.

I started screwing around again last year with other clubs around the green and could not be happier.  Hybrid, 6 iron, 8 iron, 50* wedge, etc have made life much easier and scores lower.
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 09:45 PM

View Postdicko999, on 10 February 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

Somewhere along the line, it was all 60* for me and I was pretty deft around the greens.  But when I missed, I really missed.

I started screwing around again last year with other clubs around the green and could not be happier.  Hybrid, 6 iron, 8 iron, 50* wedge, etc have made life much easier and scores lower.

After all this time I have to ask, what do you do in winter when there aren't any sycamore leaves?  Or does the cold render them superfluous?

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 09:50 PM

+1 on rule of 12.

But I like to keep it nine iron and up. Too many clubs equals too much variable and I don’t practice enough to make a return on little investment.


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:13 PM

So maybe I am a bit of a heretic. I have never found the ratio based rules all that helpful.  You have green speed, firmness, grain, and slope (maybe wind) to judge. To me that dictates a certain ball speed and spin from somewhere around a yard to a few yards onto the green (if possible - sometimes no solution exists so it is bump it through the rough time).  I vary club and action to get the right amount of spin and trajectory.  I then hit it hard enough to get the speed.  It takes practice to get a feel for the different clubs, their spin/trajectory profiles, and length of swing/ball speed.

The benefit out of all this is a stroke that does not vary a great deal.  No real short stabs or long risky swings.  I find it more consistent to groove a similar swing with different clubs than try to execute wildly varying length strokes with the same club (like I said, maybe I'm a heretic).
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:34 PM

Depending on either a tight lie or sitting up on grass.
Also, if it can roll up on the green,  or needs to carry first.
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:45 PM

I have found the most reliable,easy and forgiving way to chip is the toe down chip putt. Hardly requires any practice. The feel is the same as a long lag putt. Lob chips should only be used when the chip and run is not an option but I know some players who lob everything to the hole and do it quite consistently. Need to find the method that works for you under pressure and have confidence with. Confidence is the key word. You don't want to be over a chip shot in fear and doubt.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 04:47 AM

I agree with this, but in practice you don't need many clubs.  One can get around most courses using a sw for lofted chips and pw for rolling shots.

Folks would be amazed how much better the onshore game would be if the committed to getting the ball rolling sooner(doesn't need to be instant)

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 08:08 AM

View Postbluedot, on 10 February 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

There is a really good video of Brian Manzella explaining the "Rule of 12", which Paul Runyan developed decades ago as the Rule of 11 before clubs were delofted.

Easy answer to your question is to do some practice work with your 52, and determine what the carry to roll ratio is on a simple, flat chip.  I'm going to guess that it's going to be about 1:1, or thereabouts, and you can add one part roll for each club you go down in loft.  So if your 52 is 1:1, then your PW is 1:2, your 9i would be 1:3, and so on.

Of course, that's just a starting point; things like lie, slope, green speed, etc., will change you up or down a club or more quite often.  But there are a couple of advantages; you basically use one chipping stroke and really focus on the landing spot, and most teachers would agree that judging and controlling roll is easier than judging and controlling carry.

Many years ago when I was first shown this method in a short game lesson with a very good teaching pro who was also a VERY good player, he started with this question: "Why do you putt on the green instead of chipping the ball to the hole?"  I laughed, but he insisted that I think about it and give him my best answer, which is, of course, that it's easier to roll the ball.  And so it is with using multiple clubs to chip and getting the ball rolling as quickly as possible.

A lot of people on this board love to talk about chipping with one club and adjusting their swing accordingly, and that's fine.  But I think that you'd be hard pressed to find many teaching pros that would urge amateur golfers to use fewer clubs and more swings than the other way around, and NO teaching pros that would say that, all other things equal, flying the ball is more reliable than rolling the ball.
I would say flying is better than rolling

View Postbluedot, on 10 February 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

There is a really good video of Brian Manzella explaining the "Rule of 12", which Paul Runyan developed decades ago as the Rule of 11 before clubs were delofted.

Easy answer to your question is to do some practice work with your 52, and determine what the carry to roll ratio is on a simple, flat chip.  I'm going to guess that it's going to be about 1:1, or thereabouts, and you can add one part roll for each club you go down in loft.  So if your 52 is 1:1, then your PW is 1:2, your 9i would be 1:3, and so on.

Of course, that's just a starting point; things like lie, slope, green speed, etc., will change you up or down a club or more quite often.  But there are a couple of advantages; you basically use one chipping stroke and really focus on the landing spot, and most teachers would agree that judging and controlling roll is easier than judging and controlling carry.

Many years ago when I was first shown this method in a short game lesson with a very good teaching pro who was also a VERY good player, he started with this question: "Why do you putt on the green instead of chipping the ball to the hole?"  I laughed, but he insisted that I think about it and give him my best answer, which is, of course, that it's easier to roll the ball.  And so it is with using multiple clubs to chip and getting the ball rolling as quickly as possible.

A lot of people on this board love to talk about chipping with one club and adjusting their swing accordingly, and that's fine.  But I think that you'd be hard pressed to find many teaching pros that would urge amateur golfers to use fewer clubs and more swings than the other way around, and NO teaching pros that would say that, all other things equal, flying the ball is more reliable than rolling the ball.
I would say flying is better than rolling

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:34 AM

View Postdicko999, on 10 February 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

Somewhere along the line, it was all 60* for me and I was pretty deft around the greens.  But when I missed, I really missed.

I started screwing around again last year with other clubs around the green and could not be happier.  Hybrid, 6 iron, 8 iron, 50* wedge, etc have made life much easier and scores lower.
That's almost exactly what I've used for years. Instead of using every club, do something in between and use four. I've been messing around the last year and I'm moving toward using hybrid, 7, 9, and 56*. Same idea though.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:30 AM

View PostThinkingPlus, on 10 February 2018 - 10:13 PM, said:

So maybe I am a bit of a heretic. I have never found the ratio based rules all that helpful.  You have green speed, firmness, grain, and slope (maybe wind) to judge. To me that dictates a certain ball speed and spin from somewhere around a yard to a few yards onto the green (if possible - sometimes no solution exists so it is bump it through the rough time).  I vary club and action to get the right amount of spin and trajectory.  I then hit it hard enough to get the speed.  It takes practice to get a feel for the different clubs, their spin/trajectory profiles, and length of swing/ball speed.

The benefit out of all this is a stroke that does not vary a great deal.  No real short stabs or long risky swings.  I find it more consistent to groove a similar swing with different clubs than try to execute wildly varying length strokes with the same club (like I said, maybe I'm a heretic).

Not a heretic. The Rule of (whatever) is just a guideline. The SW may be 1-1 but that would be on a level surface. If your chip is downhill it'd be something like 1-2, uphill maybe 2-1. Add in grain, etc and the rule "works".

In fact, the "Rule" is exactly what you're really using when you want to chip with basically 1 shortish stroke. You're varying the loft so you don't have to vary (much) the swing/stroke. You're just not thinking of it in terms of ratio.

e.g. Take a ball 3 feet off the putting surface with about 25 feet to the pin on level ground. One could carry a lob wedge 20 feet and let it roll out 5 or carry a SW about 13 feet and let it roll out 12 or carry a GW about 8 feet and let it roll out 17 or carry a PW only about 5 feet and let it roll out 20.

If you've ingrained a nice, compact shortish stroke (I mean the shorter the stroke the better contact one makes, no ?) you take that ball 3 feet off the green and with that nice shortish stroke you carry it 5 and have it roll out 20.

To take the LW and try to carry it 20 to roll out 5 you have to take a much longer swing than you're comfortable with and that typically causes lesser contact which, as most mishits do, flies the ball short of the target and as such, the ball ends up short as well.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:50 AM

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 February 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

View Postdicko999, on 10 February 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

Somewhere along the line, it was all 60* for me and I was pretty deft around the greens.  But when I missed, I really missed.

I started screwing around again last year with other clubs around the green and could not be happier.  Hybrid, 6 iron, 8 iron, 50* wedge, etc have made life much easier and scores lower.

After all this time I have to ask, what do you do in winter when there aren't any sycamore leaves?  Or does the cold render them superfluous?

Not a big fan of the California Sycamore.  With the forecast calling for low 70s today, I may just go out and practice the high lofted wedge exclusively for old times sake.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:59 AM

View Postdicko999, on 11 February 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 February 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

View Postdicko999, on 10 February 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

Somewhere along the line, it was all 60* for me and I was pretty deft around the greens.  But when I missed, I really missed.

I started screwing around again last year with other clubs around the green and could not be happier.  Hybrid, 6 iron, 8 iron, 50* wedge, etc have made life much easier and scores lower.

After all this time I have to ask, what do you do in winter when there aren't any sycamore leaves?  Or does the cold render them superfluous?

Not a big fan of the California Sycamore.  With the forecast calling for low 70s today, I may just go out and practice the high lofted wedge exclusively for old times sake.

LOL, was referring to the avatar - deftly handled! With the temperature inching towards 7 degrees I think a birch leaf will suffice for me if I go frolic.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 01:19 PM

I like the concept but have narrowed the clubs down to 3: SW, 9i and 7i. For me and my limited practice time, it seems these 3 clubs can pretty much handle most of the shots and I seem to have decent success with them. Could I be better - for sure - but could also do (and have done) much worse!

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 02:41 PM

Any instructor will tell you to get the ball rolling as soon as possible unless you're on tour.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 04:10 PM

View PostSantiago Golf, on 11 February 2018 - 08:08 AM, said:

View Postbluedot, on 10 February 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

There is a really good video of Brian Manzella explaining the "Rule of 12", which Paul Runyan developed decades ago as the Rule of 11 before clubs were delofted.

Easy answer to your question is to do some practice work with your 52, and determine what the carry to roll ratio is on a simple, flat chip.  I'm going to guess that it's going to be about 1:1, or thereabouts, and you can add one part roll for each club you go down in loft.  So if your 52 is 1:1, then your PW is 1:2, your 9i would be 1:3, and so on.

Of course, that's just a starting point; things like lie, slope, green speed, etc., will change you up or down a club or more quite often.  But there are a couple of advantages; you basically use one chipping stroke and really focus on the landing spot, and most teachers would agree that judging and controlling roll is easier than judging and controlling carry.

Many years ago when I was first shown this method in a short game lesson with a very good teaching pro who was also a VERY good player, he started with this question: "Why do you putt on the green instead of chipping the ball to the hole?"  I laughed, but he insisted that I think about it and give him my best answer, which is, of course, that it's easier to roll the ball.  And so it is with using multiple clubs to chip and getting the ball rolling as quickly as possible.

A lot of people on this board love to talk about chipping with one club and adjusting their swing accordingly, and that's fine.  But I think that you'd be hard pressed to find many teaching pros that would urge amateur golfers to use fewer clubs and more swings than the other way around, and NO teaching pros that would say that, all other things equal, flying the ball is more reliable than rolling the ball.
I would say flying is better than rolling

View Postbluedot, on 10 February 2018 - 05:11 PM, said:

There is a really good video of Brian Manzella explaining the "Rule of 12", which Paul Runyan developed decades ago as the Rule of 11 before clubs were delofted.

Easy answer to your question is to do some practice work with your 52, and determine what the carry to roll ratio is on a simple, flat chip.  I'm going to guess that it's going to be about 1:1, or thereabouts, and you can add one part roll for each club you go down in loft.  So if your 52 is 1:1, then your PW is 1:2, your 9i would be 1:3, and so on.

Of course, that's just a starting point; things like lie, slope, green speed, etc., will change you up or down a club or more quite often.  But there are a couple of advantages; you basically use one chipping stroke and really focus on the landing spot, and most teachers would agree that judging and controlling roll is easier than judging and controlling carry.

Many years ago when I was first shown this method in a short game lesson with a very good teaching pro who was also a VERY good player, he started with this question: "Why do you putt on the green instead of chipping the ball to the hole?"  I laughed, but he insisted that I think about it and give him my best answer, which is, of course, that it's easier to roll the ball.  And so it is with using multiple clubs to chip and getting the ball rolling as quickly as possible.

A lot of people on this board love to talk about chipping with one club and adjusting their swing accordingly, and that's fine.  But I think that you'd be hard pressed to find many teaching pros that would urge amateur golfers to use fewer clubs and more swings than the other way around, and NO teaching pros that would say that, all other things equal, flying the ball is more reliable than rolling the ball.
I would say flying is better than rolling

So does that mean that when you have a 25' putt, you chip and try to fly it to the hole instead of rolling it?

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 04:17 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 February 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

Just wouldn't have the time to develop the expertise for using 6-7 or more different clubs for chipping.

First of all, you've got it backwards; the need for "expertise" becomes GREATER as you use fewer clubs, not less.  The whole idea behind the Rule of 12, or anything similar, is that you simply use the club that will fly the ball to a "safe" spot on the green and then let it roll out more or less.  Because your lofts are consistent, so is the roll out.  It takes LESS practice time to use one stroke with multiple clubs instead of one club with multiple strokes.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 04:22 PM

View Postnsxguy, on 11 February 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

View PostThinkingPlus, on 10 February 2018 - 10:13 PM, said:

So maybe I am a bit of a heretic. I have never found the ratio based rules all that helpful.  You have green speed, firmness, grain, and slope (maybe wind) to judge. To me that dictates a certain ball speed and spin from somewhere around a yard to a few yards onto the green (if possible - sometimes no solution exists so it is bump it through the rough time).  I vary club and action to get the right amount of spin and trajectory.  I then hit it hard enough to get the speed.  It takes practice to get a feel for the different clubs, their spin/trajectory profiles, and length of swing/ball speed.

The benefit out of all this is a stroke that does not vary a great deal.  No real short stabs or long risky swings.  I find it more consistent to groove a similar swing with different clubs than try to execute wildly varying length strokes with the same club (like I said, maybe I'm a heretic).

Not a heretic. The Rule of (whatever) is just a guideline. The SW may be 1-1 but that would be on a level surface. If your chip is downhill it'd be something like 1-2, uphill maybe 2-1. Add in grain, etc and the rule "works".

In fact, the "Rule" is exactly what you're really using when you want to chip with basically 1 shortish stroke. You're varying the loft so you don't have to vary (much) the swing/stroke. You're just not thinking of it in terms of ratio.

e.g. Take a ball 3 feet off the putting surface with about 25 feet to the pin on level ground. One could carry a lob wedge 20 feet and let it roll out 5 or carry a SW about 13 feet and let it roll out 12 or carry a GW about 8 feet and let it roll out 17 or carry a PW only about 5 feet and let it roll out 20.

If you've ingrained a nice, compact shortish stroke (I mean the shorter the stroke the better contact one makes, no ?) you take that ball 3 feet off the green and with that nice shortish stroke you carry it 5 and have it roll out 20.

To take the LW and try to carry it 20 to roll out 5 you have to take a much longer swing than you're comfortable with and that typically causes lesser contact which, as most mishits do, flies the ball short of the target and as such, the ball ends up short as well.

Correct; it's a guideline, not an order from a judge.  I adjust all the time according to the factors you mention.

And I'd add that maybe the biggest advantage is that you are REALLY focused on the landing spot, rather than the hole.  This prevents a long backswing followed by a decel because your body knows that the ball shouldn't be flying all the way to the hole.  When I see a player stab a club into the ground OR skull one across the green on a chip, it's ALWAYS a lofted club; the guys playing a bump and run to a landing spot might miss their spot and be significantly long or short of the hole, but you just don't see them hitting chunks or skulls because of the shorter backswing.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 05:00 PM

If you were playing on a flat piece of AstroTurf the rule of 12 might work. Instead learn to hit low/middle/high shots and visualize the shot and your landing spot.

I hit a lot of shots with a 58 but will use a PW and a 7 iron if I want a lot of run.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 05:03 PM

View Postbluedot, on 11 February 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 February 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

Just wouldn't have the time to develop the expertise for using 6-7 or more different clubs for chipping.

First of all, you've got it backwards; the need for "expertise" becomes GREATER as you use fewer clubs, not less.  The whole idea behind the Rule of 12, or anything similar, is that you simply use the club that will fly the ball to a "safe" spot on the green and then let it roll out more or less.  Because your lofts are consistent, so is the roll out.  It takes LESS practice time to use one stroke with multiple clubs instead of one club with multiple strokes.

No, I've always understood the concept but introducing the rule of 12 on top of all the different clubs throws a lot more variables into the mix than I care to deal with.  I think I know what works for me. Other stuff works for other folks.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:58 PM

View PostHawkeye77, on 11 February 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

View Postdicko999, on 11 February 2018 - 11:50 AM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 February 2018 - 09:45 PM, said:

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Somewhere along the line, it was all 60* for me and I was pretty deft around the greens.  But when I missed, I really missed.

I started screwing around again last year with other clubs around the green and could not be happier.  Hybrid, 6 iron, 8 iron, 50* wedge, etc have made life much easier and scores lower.

After all this time I have to ask, what do you do in winter when there aren't any sycamore leaves?  Or does the cold render them superfluous?

Not a big fan of the California Sycamore.  With the forecast calling for low 70s today, I may just go out and practice the high lofted wedge exclusively for old times sake.

LOL, was referring to the avatar - deftly handled! With the temperature inching towards 7 degrees I think a birch leaf will suffice for me if I go frolic.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:22 PM

View Postbluedot, on 11 February 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 February 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

Just wouldn't have the time to develop the expertise for using 6-7 or more different clubs for chipping.

First of all, you've got it backwards; the need for "expertise" becomes GREATER as you use fewer clubs, not less.  The whole idea behind the Rule of 12, or anything similar, is that you simply use the club that will fly the ball to a "safe" spot on the green and then let it roll out more or less.  Because your lofts are consistent, so is the roll out.  It takes LESS practice time to use one stroke with multiple clubs instead of one club with multiple strokes.
In theory that is true but using one club allows you to be a feel player. I can chip the ball harder or softer depending on my speed judgement. The rule of 12 sounds too mechanical to me. You really need to know the precise distance to the hole, factor in slope, figure out which club to use and hope your chip stroke is always the same in strength every time. It takes away all your feel for speed and rely on a method. I wouldn't want to play with someone who spends 5 minutes calculating their chip shots. It also adds a lot more work to playing the game. You have enough to think about during the round already managing your full swing and general course management.


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:02 AM

View Postdap, on 11 February 2018 - 09:22 PM, said:

View Postbluedot, on 11 February 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

View PostHawkeye77, on 10 February 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

Just wouldn't have the time to develop the expertise for using 6-7 or more different clubs for chipping.

First of all, you've got it backwards; the need for "expertise" becomes GREATER as you use fewer clubs, not less.  The whole idea behind the Rule of 12, or anything similar, is that you simply use the club that will fly the ball to a "safe" spot on the green and then let it roll out more or less.  Because your lofts are consistent, so is the roll out.  It takes LESS practice time to use one stroke with multiple clubs instead of one club with multiple strokes.
In theory that is true but using one club allows you to be a feel player. I can chip the ball harder or softer depending on my speed judgement. The rule of 12 sounds too mechanical to me. You really need to know the precise distance to the hole, factor in slope, figure out which club to use and hope your chip stroke is always the same in strength every time. It takes away all your feel for speed and rely on a method. I wouldn't want to play with someone who spends 5 minutes calculating their chip shots. It also adds a lot more work to playing the game. You have enough to think about during the round already managing your full swing and general course management.

I wonder which is easier to do consistently - use roughly the same length swing and allow the club to do the work or use the same SW and try to hit it anywhere from 5 feet to say, 35 feet in the air and rely on the release ?

And frankly, it's quite disingenuous of you to dismiss a method you don't like by adding "someone who spends 5 minutes calculating their chip shots".
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:39 AM

View Postlawsonman, on 11 February 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

Any instructor will tell you to get the ball rolling as soon as possible unless you're on tour.

This ^

Fast greens and the rough and fairway grass around the greens makes if quite difficult for me to chip with longer clubs. You generally will get too much roll and/or not enough spin at least on the courses that I play on. Most of the time when I miss the green I am short sided someway. So I prefer the lob or sand wedge for chipping, even if I have a bit more green to work with.

Basically, use the bounce technique as described by Monte or the technique in this little book.

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