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#91 smokedturkey

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:52 AM

Any of the Drivers or wedges advertised on the golf channel.  If they can class action law suit pharmaceutical companys for side effects that are plainly listed on their selling label then why don't those pieces of garbage on TV be sued for fraud??

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:07 AM

View Postsmokedturkey, on 12 February 2018 - 12:52 AM, said:

Any of the Drivers or wedges advertised on the golf channel.  If they can class action law suit pharmaceutical companys for side effects that are plainly listed on their selling label then why don't those pieces of garbage on TV be sued for fraud??

Likely for two reasons:

1) you aren't gambling with someone's life as you are in pharmaceuticals.  It's the same as the infomercial stuff like that spray-on waterproof liner or those stupid binocular-glasses that allow you to see in "full HD" at like 15x zoom.

2) The stuff probably works halfway decently.  For the Gx7 it's no secret that most people hit their 3 woods better than a driver.  So why not enlarge the head of a steel 3wd and cut the shaft in-between a driver and 3wd.  Where Callaway, TM, Cobra, and Ping dropped the ball on their mini-drivers was they made them the same length as a driver 45-45.25" long.  They were too long, so the extra length caused wayward shots if mishit.  The SquareStrike, while ugly as sin, is straight up just a chipper like every other chipper.  The C3i may be bad too, but Cleveland, Callaway, Ben Hogan, Cobra, and Ping have all had massive CB wedges with tonnes of offset and a thick sole.  For your average person that stinks out of a bunker, these are a god-send.  I fit a guy for a whole bag last year and he was complaining he's AWFUL with wedges, never hit one well in his life.  I gave him a Sureout and every shot was high and straight; he hit 3 shots with it and said "I think we're done here" and bought it.
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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:02 AM

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Ping Crossover....looks like a pancake flipper.

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Ping Crossover felt and sounded terrible!

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Second (or third...) Ping Crossover. Doesn’t seem like a useful club to me and I didn’t like the feel/results at all.


See and I quite like the Crossover. Wish they would release it to the public in a 16* or 17* version. Golfs a funny game.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:36 AM

View Postphatchrisrules, on 11 February 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 11 February 2018 - 07:04 PM, said:

View Postphatchrisrules, on 11 February 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 11 February 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

Actually playing Epic Sub Zero with 75g x in it.  But okay.  Obviously carbon doesn’t effect the swing weight as you claim

Carbon absolutely affects the swing weight.  The lighter the head, the lighter the swing weight.  Your SZ weighs in around 197g, most all titanium drivers weigh in at ~205g.  Every 2g of head weight = 1 SW point.  So your driver *should* be a good 2.5-3 SW points lighter than an all Ti driver.  The heavier shaft *might* add 1 Point of SW to your driver, maybe.  You're still swinging a pretty lightweight club in comparison to everything else on the market.

Allows engineers to reposition weight to change COG

Centre of Gravity has nothing to do with swing weight.  You are talking about two completely unrelated aspects.  Carbon in a head affects how heavy a head is, head weight is linked with swing weight.  Here, read this, it will explain everything https://www.tutelman...gn/swingwt4.php
In one post you complain that Calley drivers swing weight too heavy and in the next you tell a guy that his calley driver is light weight because it contains carbon and carbon makes drivers swing weight light.   Which is it?   And yes, i understand what swing weight is ,so no reason for a tutorial.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:44 AM

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:00 AM

View Postwobgon, on 12 February 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:

View Postphatchrisrules, on 11 February 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 11 February 2018 - 07:04 PM, said:

View Postphatchrisrules, on 11 February 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 11 February 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

Actually playing Epic Sub Zero with 75g x in it.  But okay.  Obviously carbon doesn’t effect the swing weight as you claim

Carbon absolutely affects the swing weight.  The lighter the head, the lighter the swing weight.  Your SZ weighs in around 197g, most all titanium drivers weigh in at ~205g.  Every 2g of head weight = 1 SW point.  So your driver *should* be a good 2.5-3 SW points lighter than an all Ti driver.  The heavier shaft *might* add 1 Point of SW to your driver, maybe.  You're still swinging a pretty lightweight club in comparison to everything else on the market.

Allows engineers to reposition weight to change COG

Centre of Gravity has nothing to do with swing weight.  You are talking about two completely unrelated aspects.  Carbon in a head affects how heavy a head is, head weight is linked with swing weight.  Here, read this, it will explain everything https://www.tutelman...gn/swingwt4.php
In one post you complain that Calley drivers swing weight too heavy and in the next you tell a guy that his calley driver is light weight because it contains carbon and carbon makes drivers swing weight light.   Which is it?   And yes, i understand what swing weight is ,so no reason for a tutorial.

I said the Rogue *felt* heavy; I have no idea what the swing weight was or total weight was.  I haven't seen one personally come out that high but I saw a few threads of some guys on here complaining/mentioning their Epics came out over D5 when they ordered them stock, that's all.  He was the one that got all bent out of shape and starting calling lighter weight clubs "junk".
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:30 AM

Hating the Cally stuff this year. Rogue woods are just rehashed epics with a new colour, irons look like something from about 10 years ago. Mac Daddy is a terrible name and they look truly awful with the dots and colours in the back, not sure what Roger Cleveland is up to there. All that diablo stuff a while back was a total joke, and now they've gone the TM route; bringing new, mega expensive stuff out all the time with no real improvement on the previous line. Only the Apex irons have any cred in my book. What the Epic irons are about at that price point who knows....

I guess I'm just not a fan LOL
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:15 AM

View Postjimsmithleeds, on 13 February 2018 - 09:30 AM, said:

Hating the Cally stuff this year...

Mac Daddy is a terrible name and they look truly awful with the dots and colours in the back...

Ha, ha, Cally is the new TM; all you TM haters can step off and move on to the new bully in town with suspect releases and marketing tactics.

The name and looks should have nothing to do with it, performance is where it's at.  The MDs are second only to Vokeys on tour and flat out perform.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 11:17 AM

View PostSubaruWRX, on 08 February 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

Ping G400 Max driver. It was released 6 months late and pissing people off. Hahaha

I think you mean the Ping G400!  If you bought one, you have to be pissed.  Easily surpassed by the Max and no place left in the Ping Driver lineup.  You Ping curmudgeons who swore by the two year release cycle have to be on life support with a new Ping driver showing up in only 6 months.  Is nothing sacred?  Welcome to 2018!

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:12 PM

View Postmootrail, on 13 February 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

View PostSubaruWRX, on 08 February 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

Ping G400 Max driver. It was released 6 months late and pissing people off. Hahaha

I think you mean the Ping G400!  If you bought one, you have to be pissed.  Easily surpassed by the Max and no place left in the Ping Driver lineup.  You Ping curmudgeons who swore by the two year release cycle have to be on life support with a new Ping driver showing up in only 6 months.  Is nothing sacred?  Welcome to 2018!
I've been hearing this from both reviewers and customers about the 400 max release. I totally get them being upset. What I'm curious about is, some of these people had to complain to PING about it. Yet I haven't seen anything about the response (if any) from PING themselves. Anybody hear anything?

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:16 PM

Worst new clubs out there are the ones you can't afford. Those are the worst.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:40 PM

 Kingcat990, on 13 February 2018 - 08:16 PM, said:

Worst new clubs out there are the ones you can't afford. Those are the worst.
Just buy last year's model in your spec, it'll be the same club with different paint for half price sometimes

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:20 AM

 mootrail, on 13 February 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

 jimsmithleeds, on 13 February 2018 - 09:30 AM, said:

Hating the Cally stuff this year...

Mac Daddy is a terrible name and they look truly awful with the dots and colours in the back...

Ha, ha, Cally is the new TM; all you TM haters can step off and move on to the new bully in town with suspect releases and marketing tactics.

The name and looks should have nothing to do with it, performance is where it's at.  The MDs are second only to Vokeys on tour and flat out perform.

Can't use something I don't like the look of, yeah, looking forward to giving Callaway some grief, they deserve it
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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:21 AM

 john myrbch, on 13 February 2018 - 08:12 PM, said:

 mootrail, on 13 February 2018 - 11:17 AM, said:

 SubaruWRX, on 08 February 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

Ping G400 Max driver. It was released 6 months late and pissing people off. Hahaha

I think you mean the Ping G400!  If you bought one, you have to be pissed.  Easily surpassed by the Max and no place left in the Ping Driver lineup.  You Ping curmudgeons who swore by the two year release cycle have to be on life support with a new Ping driver showing up in only 6 months.  Is nothing sacred?  Welcome to 2018!
I've been hearing this from both reviewers and customers about the 400 max release. I totally get them being upset. What I'm curious about is, some of these people had to complain to PING about it. Yet I haven't seen anything about the response (if any) from PING themselves. Anybody hear anything?

You never will.  It's a moot point though.  The G400 is still the most forgiving driver on the market, regardless of its size.  The G400 Max is designed for those who prefer a larger footprint and/or those who tended to launch the G400 a little bit low in the more traditional lofts.  I personally don't see the uproar; its 15cc.  It's not like Ping brought out a 360cc driver claiming that this was the best size and forever from now on this is as bit as they will be and then came out with a 460cc.  

Companies do this all the time.  Callaway said last year there was no performance benefit to jailbreak in a fairway, yet here we are with Rogue.  Taylormade swore up and down that white was the colour of their clubs because it helped with alignment.  That same year out came a black R1.  Same with the SLDR, they dumped the white in favour of gray and then 3 months later released a white SLDR.  

To complain that they are being dishonest and to get upset about it is stupid, IMO.  People who fit into a G400 likely aren't going to need the G400 Max.  Plus, I don't see how anyone can launch the G400 low in the first place.  I got a guy out of a 14* r7 CGB Max driver into a 10* G400 and the launch was identical.  I personally like the smaller profile, it looks like you have a better chance of tagging the sweetspot because the ball is so much larger.
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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:29 AM

 mootrail, on 13 February 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

 jimsmithleeds, on 13 February 2018 - 09:30 AM, said:

Hating the Cally stuff this year...

Mac Daddy is a terrible name and they look truly awful with the dots and colours in the back...

Ha, ha, Cally is the new TM; all you TM haters can step off and move on to the new bully in town with suspect releases and marketing tactics.

The name and looks should have nothing to do with it, performance is where it's at.  The MDs are second only to Vokeys on tour and flat out perform.

Vokeys are overrated junk that hacks play because they think Titleist is "the best name in golf."

Now, hold my beer.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:14 AM

 mlwenzlick, on 14 February 2018 - 08:29 AM, said:

 mootrail, on 13 February 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

 jimsmithleeds, on 13 February 2018 - 09:30 AM, said:

Hating the Cally stuff this year...

Mac Daddy is a terrible name and they look truly awful with the dots and colours in the back...

Ha, ha, Cally is the new TM; all you TM haters can step off and move on to the new bully in town with suspect releases and marketing tactics.

The name and looks should have nothing to do with it, performance is where it's at.  The MDs are second only to Vokeys on tour and flat out perform.

Vokeys are overrated junk that hacks play because they think Titleist is "the best name in golf."

Now, hold my beer.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:14 AM

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The spider arc putter is pretty hard to look at.

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 02:57 PM

Surprised I had to scroll most of the way down the first page for the PXG hate to start :)

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 03:41 PM

I think the TM 790s look like someone took a deflated iron head and pumped them up with air.  They look horrible imo.  

I like the Rogue blue.

The Ping Iblades are sexy AF.  


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