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#61 Davidv

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 05:54 PM

The Vertical Groove Driver.


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 06:17 PM

Just on looks alone, the Rogue driver is hideous. The weird shape, it seems huge front to back, the blue/turquoise is terrible, and i don't like the circle of carbon on the crown.

I'm also not sold on Twistface.

Edited by WidespreadPanic, 09 February 2018 - 06:18 PM.

Taylormade M2 ('17) 10.5*
Taylormade M1 (17) 15*
Cobra F7 18.5*
Mizuno MPH5 4i
Mizuno MP33 5-PW
Cleveland RTX 588 2.0 52*
TItleist SM5 56*
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 07:19 PM

Any club endorsed by this clown.

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Taylormade RBZ Stage 2 3 wood 15*
Taylormade Raylor 19*
Taylormade Rescue Mid 22*
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 11:10 PM

Any CURE Putter...  wtf are those things?!

Also, not many Toulons that matter to me... but not as bad as CURE, those things are just awful.

Edited by Nixhex524, 09 February 2018 - 11:10 PM.

Ping G400 Max 9*
Titleist 915f 16.5*
Srixon Z745 3-P
Titleist SM6 52*/58*
Ping Vault 2.0 Dale Anser

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:48 AM

View PostJagpilotohio, on 08 February 2018 - 06:31 PM, said:

View Postscruffynick, on 08 February 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

Picked up the ping g400 driver the other day.....yuck! I swear the modern driver heads are plain awful nothing simple or classic anymore

Titleist 917. Simple and classic is a perfect description.
Used the titleist 905d for years, just simple and classic. Titleist do classic very well


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 09:37 AM

View PostMarkrip, on 08 February 2018 - 06:07 PM, said:

The Square Strike wedge.

Yeah, but you can't really chunk it!

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:57 AM

Ap3 is strange as many other have said purely on the basis that they are absolutely not necessary and fit more into the m1 iron catagory.

However Epic and epic pro irons win for me due to the fact that they are extremely expensive and already obsolete. Now they have released the identical rouge irons at the price point that Epic should have been. I bet Callaway wishes they could get that one back.

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Driver - Callaway EPIC SZ 10.5*
Fairway Wood - Titleist 917 F2 16.5* and 21*
Irons - Titleist AP2 4-PW
Wedges - Titleist SM 5 52*, Titleist SM 6 56* and 60*
Putter - Scotty Cameron Golo 5 or Odyssey Toe Up #1

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 01:03 PM

I don't think there is a "worst". All the OEM's make good equipment. What you choose comes down to what works best and personal preference.
Callaway Rogue Draw
Callaway GBB Epic 4/7/9
Callaway Steelhead XR 5
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 01:07 PM

I don't like the look of any of the woods that have been brought out this year except for ping and cobra i have no idea why
Taylormade Aero Burner Driver 10.5*
Cobra F7 3 Wood 16*
Mizuno JPX 900 Hybrid 20*
Ping i25 4-P
Ping Glide 52*/58*
Odyssey White Hot 34"
Bridgestone B330

All stock shafts

If anyone has a driver in a stiff shaft that they are looking to sell, hit my line

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 01:42 PM

So much hate for the Triton eh? :stink:  I just picked one up on clearance price at GT, to finally upgrade from my r580 I've had for over a decade. I'm sure the Triton isnt the greatest club out there, but I'm confident its going to be an upgrade for me! On topic, Id have to agree that the epic irons to me are wierd looking and very highly priced. For a normal guy like me that is usually playing pre-owned gear, the thought of 2000 dollar irons is just wild. And with the rouge and similarly the G400max, very insulting to customers to charge a premium for the best product ever, then less than a year later reveal a new product thats "even better" .


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 02:59 PM

Ping crossover felt and sounded terrible!

Ping G25 Driver 10.5, Regular
SLDR S Mini Driver 14, Stiff
Ping G25 4 Wood, Stiff
Ping G30 4 Hybrid, Regular
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 03:04 PM

View Postphatchrisrules, on 09 February 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

View PostJohnKHawk, on 08 February 2018 - 06:18 PM, said:

X59 Smart Draw Driver - $359 for a driver with no actual unbiased info (that I've seen) & no pedigree. Should be asking $200 max if they want to sell a bunch.

I looked into that as I've never heard of it before.  It's $60 more expensive than the F-Max that has the same (if not probably better) technology.  I guess the one saving grace on the X59 is that it is adjustable, so you can dial it in a bit better.

View Postreider69, on 08 February 2018 - 10:06 PM, said:

AP3.  An alleged solution looking for a problem.

Precisely.  They already had that "solution" in the T-MB, or even AP1 line.  I remember when it first got released, and I called it as a potential dud, I had a firing squad a mile long asking for my head.  Well...looks like I was right.  So many middling reviews, and many of the people who got them in long irons hate them and have changed shafts 2-3x to try and get the AP2 feel.  Titleist seriously, seriously missed the boat on this option by not adding at minimum a forged cup face.  They also missed it by charging an arm and a leg for it, but that's a different argument all together.

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To answer the question:

Irons - Rogue and M3/4 line.  You can't jack up the price $100-150 AND drop a club, effectively making the clubs $2-300 more per set.  The Rogue lineup hasn't changed at all in the looks department since the release of X2Hot, they just keep changing the cavity badge and tweaking something minute here and there.  They are creeping closer and closer to Mizuno and Srixon stock price where you can get any shaft and grip for free, while these others only offer a handful of shafts and no grips.  You cannot keep relying on your name to pull you through when you have nothing to offer.  Look at Hyundai and Kia vs. Ford and Dodge.  The Korean models have base packages that are similar, if not better loaded, but are $2-3k less.  Most people don't care what name is on it (unless they are brand loyalists) and will vote with their wallet.  Same applies to golf and I'm surprised noone has seen this.

Driver - Cleveland Launcher and Rogue.  Rogue is too heavy, and to basically take a step backwards (by offering less adjustability) is not good.  Launcher is a great club, but Cleveland drivers never sold well in the first place after the HiBore so I wouldn't be surprised to see this one waffle a bit.

LOL too heavy???  Okay...enjoy your Kias (junk) and ultra light drivers (junk)
Callaway GBB Epic Sub Zero 9°
PING G5 2, 3, 4 hybrid
Callaway Apex MB 5-AW
Tommy Armour TA1 5-Gw (on order)
Callaway Mack Daddy Forged 56/60
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 03:50 PM

Whoever chose the color scheme on the Rogue should be relieved of his duties. Looking like a down year for Callaway.

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 05:26 PM

View PostBubb, on 10 February 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

Whoever chose the color scheme on the Rogue should be relieved of his duties. Looking like a down year for Callaway.

Went and hit both driver and irons yesterday and the color really doesn’t seem like a big deal in person.

One of my fitter friends says that their pre-orders on the irons are huge, with a big percentage of them come from folks who had the XR’s and see these as a natural upgrade.  He seemed pretty giddy about the prospect.
Driver:     Ping G400 Max 10.5*
Fairway:  Callaway Rogue 15*, 20* & 24*
Irons:       TaylorMade M4 6-SW. (Tensei Blue)
Wedges:  Callaway PM Grind 58* & 64*
Putter:      TaylorMade Spider Tour Red Sightline & Cure RX4 Red

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:24 PM

View PostBubb, on 10 February 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

Whoever chose the color scheme on the Rogue should be relieved of his duties. Looking like a down year for Callaway.

If you’re taking the under, I’ll take the over.

Color looks fine in hand, better than the Epic green in my view. I predict another huge year for Callaway and that the Rogue driver and fairways could be the No. 1 seller in both categories. They perform, they will sell, and they do perform. Only TaylorMade M3/M4 and Ping G400 lines will give Callaway a run. Cobra stuff looks good, but them and others are battling for fourth.

Edited by dmeeksDC, 10 February 2018 - 06:27 PM.

Current lineup:

Callaway Rogue driver, 9 degree, Project X Evenflow Blue S, 75g.
Callaway XR16 3 wood, 15 degree, Fukijura Evo II shaft
Callaway Apex hybrid, 20 degree, Kuro Kage 80HY stiff shaft
Wilson Staff C300 Forged irons, 4-PW, Nippon Modus 105 X shafts
Mizuno S5 gap wedge, 50.08, Nippon 1150 GH Tour shaft
Wilson Staff PMP Tour wedge, 56 degree, tour grind, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 shaft
Fourteen RM12 58.12 sand wedge, Dynamic Gold wedge shaft
Edel Rogue putter (thick blade), 34 inch, 71 degree lie, 2 degrees loft.
COMING: TaylorMade Hi-Toe wedge, 60 degree

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Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:37 PM

Second (or third...) Ping Crossover. Doesn’t seem like a useful club to me and I didn’t like the feel/results at all.

Titleist 917 fairway woods. Couldn’t get anything good out of these, even in a fitting.

Red anything.
Rogue SZ w/ AD MT
M1 w/ Diamana Thump
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Posted 10 February 2018 - 08:54 PM

View Postjohn myrbch, on 08 February 2018 - 09:13 PM, said:

View PostArpeggi, on 08 February 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

Entire Odyssey lineup.
Rogue paint scheme.
AP3
Good call! I can't believe I forgot Odysseys  ripoff of Taylormades red putter. I used to be a Callaway guy until very recently. Seems they have become everything people hated about TM a few years back. Funny, it started when they hired TM's head of
marketing...

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Callaway XR16 Pro 9* w/Diamana D+ 70x
Callaway Rogue SZ 15* w/HZRDUS yellow 75g s
Callaway X Forged UT 21* w/Project X 6.0
Callaway X Forged (2018) 4-pw w/Project X 6.0
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 01:09 AM

View PostdmeeksDC, on 10 February 2018 - 06:24 PM, said:

View PostBubb, on 10 February 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

Whoever chose the color scheme on the Rogue should be relieved of his duties. Looking like a down year for Callaway.

If you’re taking the under, I’ll take the over.

Color looks fine in hand, better than the Epic green in my view. I predict another huge year for Callaway and that the Rogue driver and fairways could be the No. 1 seller in both categories. They perform, they will sell, and they do perform. Only TaylorMade M3/M4 and Ping G400 lines will give Callaway a run. Cobra stuff looks good, but them and others are battling for fourth.
Yeah I’m taking under their revenues from last year. Way under.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 01:29 AM

I absolutely hate the colors on the M3/M4, every time I see one I just think it looks ugly.
Driver: Cobra King F8+ (9.5*)
Wood: Cobra F6 Baffler (17.5)
Hybrid: Cobra F7 (22*)
Irons: Mizuno MP-15 (5-PW)
Wedges: Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth (50* SS, 54* SS, 58* WS)
Putter: Ping Sigma G Tess
Ball: Wilson Staff Duo Urethane

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 02:42 AM

200 dollar golf set : driver; fairway woods; hybrids ;  5 - pw , gw, sw , lw ; putter ; and free golf bag , with free covers .

Edited by asw7576, 11 February 2018 - 02:49 AM.

Drivers : Taylormade RBZ, RBZ Stage 2, Jetspeed, SLDR S, Callaway
Fairways : Taylormade RBZ, RBZ Stage 2, Callaway
Hybrids : Taylormade SLDRS S
Irons : Mizuno MP H4, JPX 800 HD, Yamaha Inpres X Z Cavity 2013 & 2016, Maruman Titus & X1
Wedges : Mizuno T4
Putters : Oddyssey Tank 2 balls, Works 2 fangs, Mizuno T201
Shoes : Footjoy DNA

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 08:16 AM

View PostTheLarch, on 09 February 2018 - 07:19 PM, said:

Any club endorsed by this clown.

That clown would own you on the course.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 08:53 AM

View Poststarrman77, on 09 February 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

View Post81PING, on 09 February 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

View Poststarrman77, on 09 February 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

Fly Z driver. I couldn't hit that thing on a bet.

It's an excellent driver. Do a quick search! Very forgiving and played by tons of people...

Don't need a search. I have one in my basement. It's a ps of chit for me.

What does it do badly for you?

Head is VERY forgiving, long as anything,so unless it's too loud?? Or it's not killing enough spin for your swing like some heads can? Maybe a defect?

*zero emotion here. Truly curious.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:51 AM

View PostdmeeksDC, on 10 February 2018 - 06:24 PM, said:

View PostBubb, on 10 February 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

Whoever chose the color scheme on the Rogue should be relieved of his duties. Looking like a down year for Callaway.

If you're taking the under, I'll take the over.

Color looks fine in hand, better than the Epic green in my view. I predict another huge year for Callaway and that the Rogue driver and fairways could be the No. 1 seller in both categories. They perform, they will sell, and they do perform. Only TaylorMade M3/M4 and Ping G400 lines will give Callaway a run. Cobra stuff looks good, but them and others are battling for fourth.


100% agree

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:24 AM

View PostLaymanM, on 10 February 2018 - 03:04 PM, said:

View Postphatchrisrules, on 09 February 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

View PostJohnKHawk, on 08 February 2018 - 06:18 PM, said:

X59 Smart Draw Driver - $359 for a driver with no actual unbiased info (that I've seen) & no pedigree. Should be asking $200 max if they want to sell a bunch.

I looked into that as I've never heard of it before.  It's $60 more expensive than the F-Max that has the same (if not probably better) technology.  I guess the one saving grace on the X59 is that it is adjustable, so you can dial it in a bit better.

View Postreider69, on 08 February 2018 - 10:06 PM, said:

AP3.  An alleged solution looking for a problem.

Precisely.  They already had that "solution" in the T-MB, or even AP1 line.  I remember when it first got released, and I called it as a potential dud, I had a firing squad a mile long asking for my head.  Well...looks like I was right.  So many middling reviews, and many of the people who got them in long irons hate them and have changed shafts 2-3x to try and get the AP2 feel.  Titleist seriously, seriously missed the boat on this option by not adding at minimum a forged cup face.  They also missed it by charging an arm and a leg for it, but that's a different argument all together.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To answer the question:

Irons - Rogue and M3/4 line.  You can't jack up the price $100-150 AND drop a club, effectively making the clubs $2-300 more per set.  The Rogue lineup hasn't changed at all in the looks department since the release of X2Hot, they just keep changing the cavity badge and tweaking something minute here and there.  They are creeping closer and closer to Mizuno and Srixon stock price where you can get any shaft and grip for free, while these others only offer a handful of shafts and no grips.  You cannot keep relying on your name to pull you through when you have nothing to offer.  Look at Hyundai and Kia vs. Ford and Dodge.  The Korean models have base packages that are similar, if not better loaded, but are $2-3k less.  Most people don't care what name is on it (unless they are brand loyalists) and will vote with their wallet.  Same applies to golf and I'm surprised noone has seen this.

Driver - Cleveland Launcher and Rogue.  Rogue is too heavy, and to basically take a step backwards (by offering less adjustability) is not good.  Launcher is a great club, but Cleveland drivers never sold well in the first place after the HiBore so I wouldn't be surprised to see this one waffle a bit.

LOL too heavy???  Okay...enjoy your Kias (junk) and ultra light drivers (junk)

It has been quite well documented that many of the Epics were coming in at D5+ swingweight even when ordered "stock".  I suspect the Rogue is similar based on the two that I have tried.  Also, let's continue to make blanket assumptions about my equipment and preferences because you don't agree with me.  Coming from the guy who's playing a driver that is made almost entirely of carbon making fun of someone who doesn't like heavy clubs.  That has to be a first, even for WRX.
Callaway Rogue SZ 9* - Mitsubishi Fubuki V 60
Callaway Rogue SZ 13.5* - Accra Tour Z Xtreme 275
Callaway Rogue SZ 18* - Accra Tour Z RPG 382
Titleist 818H2 21* - Accra FX 2.0 300H
Miura CB 2008 5-6, Miura CB 1008 7-8, Miura MC-501 9-PW - Accra iSeries Tour 105CWT
Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 50/SS, 54/ES, 58/ES - Modus 105 Wedge Master's Green
Bettinardi Inovai 3.0 Centre Shaft

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:26 AM

View PostTsarBomba, on 11 February 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

View Poststarrman77, on 09 February 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

View Post81PING, on 09 February 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

View Poststarrman77, on 09 February 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

Fly Z driver. I couldn't hit that thing on a bet.

It's an excellent driver. Do a quick search! Very forgiving and played by tons of people...

Don't need a search. I have one in my basement. It's a ps of chit for me.

What does it do badly for you?

Head is VERY forgiving, long as anything,so unless it's too loud?? Or it's not killing enough spin for your swing like some heads can? Maybe a defect?

*zero emotion here. Truly curious.

I already tried...

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TAYLORMADE Issue Aeroburner w. Tensei Blue
PING G25 w. Tensei Blue
PING I200 w. AWT 2.0
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:30 AM

View Postphatchrisrules, on 11 February 2018 - 10:24 AM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 10 February 2018 - 03:04 PM, said:

View Postphatchrisrules, on 09 February 2018 - 08:10 AM, said:

View PostJohnKHawk, on 08 February 2018 - 06:18 PM, said:

X59 Smart Draw Driver - $359 for a driver with no actual unbiased info (that I've seen) & no pedigree. Should be asking $200 max if they want to sell a bunch.

I looked into that as I've never heard of it before.  It's $60 more expensive than the F-Max that has the same (if not probably better) technology.  I guess the one saving grace on the X59 is that it is adjustable, so you can dial it in a bit better.

View Postreider69, on 08 February 2018 - 10:06 PM, said:

AP3.  An alleged solution looking for a problem.

Precisely.  They already had that "solution" in the T-MB, or even AP1 line.  I remember when it first got released, and I called it as a potential dud, I had a firing squad a mile long asking for my head.  Well...looks like I was right.  So many middling reviews, and many of the people who got them in long irons hate them and have changed shafts 2-3x to try and get the AP2 feel.  Titleist seriously, seriously missed the boat on this option by not adding at minimum a forged cup face.  They also missed it by charging an arm and a leg for it, but that's a different argument all together.

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To answer the question:

Irons - Rogue and M3/4 line.  You can't jack up the price $100-150 AND drop a club, effectively making the clubs $2-300 more per set.  The Rogue lineup hasn't changed at all in the looks department since the release of X2Hot, they just keep changing the cavity badge and tweaking something minute here and there.  They are creeping closer and closer to Mizuno and Srixon stock price where you can get any shaft and grip for free, while these others only offer a handful of shafts and no grips.  You cannot keep relying on your name to pull you through when you have nothing to offer.  Look at Hyundai and Kia vs. Ford and Dodge.  The Korean models have base packages that are similar, if not better loaded, but are $2-3k less.  Most people don't care what name is on it (unless they are brand loyalists) and will vote with their wallet.  Same applies to golf and I'm surprised noone has seen this.

Driver - Cleveland Launcher and Rogue.  Rogue is too heavy, and to basically take a step backwards (by offering less adjustability) is not good.  Launcher is a great club, but Cleveland drivers never sold well in the first place after the HiBore so I wouldn't be surprised to see this one waffle a bit.

LOL too heavy???  Okay...enjoy your Kias (junk) and ultra light drivers (junk)

It has been quite well documented that many of the Epics were coming in at D5+ swingweight even when ordered "stock".  I suspect the Rogue is similar based on the two that I have tried.  Also, let's continue to make blanket assumptions about my equipment and preferences because you don't agree with me.  Coming from the guy who's playing a driver that is made almost entirely of carbon making fun of someone who doesn't like heavy clubs.  That has to be a first, even for WRX.

Actually playing Epic Sub Zero with 75g x in it.  But okay.  Obviously carbon doesn’t effect the swing weight as you claim
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:02 PM

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Actually playing Epic Sub Zero with 75g x in it.  But okay.  Obviously carbon doesn’t effect the swing weight as you claim

Carbon absolutely affects the swing weight.  The lighter the head, the lighter the swing weight.  Your SZ weighs in around 197g, most all titanium drivers weigh in at ~205g.  Every 2g of head weight = 1 SW point.  So your driver *should* be a good 2.5-3 SW points lighter than an all Ti driver.  The heavier shaft *might* add 1 Point of SW to your driver, maybe.  You're still swinging a pretty lightweight club in comparison to everything else on the market.
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:04 PM

View Postphatchrisrules, on 11 February 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 11 February 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:


Actually playing Epic Sub Zero with 75g x in it.  But okay.  Obviously carbon doesn’t effect the swing weight as you claim

Carbon absolutely affects the swing weight.  The lighter the head, the lighter the swing weight.  Your SZ weighs in around 197g, most all titanium drivers weigh in at ~205g.  Every 2g of head weight = 1 SW point.  So your driver *should* be a good 2.5-3 SW points lighter than an all Ti driver.  The heavier shaft *might* add 1 Point of SW to your driver, maybe.  You're still swinging a pretty lightweight club in comparison to everything else on the market.

Allows engineers to reposition weight to change COG
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:13 PM

View PostLaymanM, on 11 February 2018 - 07:04 PM, said:

View Postphatchrisrules, on 11 February 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 11 February 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

Actually playing Epic Sub Zero with 75g x in it.  But okay.  Obviously carbon doesn’t effect the swing weight as you claim

Carbon absolutely affects the swing weight.  The lighter the head, the lighter the swing weight.  Your SZ weighs in around 197g, most all titanium drivers weigh in at ~205g.  Every 2g of head weight = 1 SW point.  So your driver *should* be a good 2.5-3 SW points lighter than an all Ti driver.  The heavier shaft *might* add 1 Point of SW to your driver, maybe.  You're still swinging a pretty lightweight club in comparison to everything else on the market.

Allows engineers to reposition weight to change COG

Centre of Gravity has nothing to do with swing weight.  You are talking about two completely unrelated aspects.  Carbon in a head affects how heavy a head is, head weight is linked with swing weight.  Here, read this, it will explain everything https://www.tutelman...gn/swingwt4.php
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Miura CB 2008 5-6, Miura CB 1008 7-8, Miura MC-501 9-PW - Accra iSeries Tour 105CWT
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Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:16 PM

View Postphatchrisrules, on 11 February 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 11 February 2018 - 07:04 PM, said:

View Postphatchrisrules, on 11 February 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

View PostLaymanM, on 11 February 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

Actually playing Epic Sub Zero with 75g x in it.  But okay.  Obviously carbon doesn’t effect the swing weight as you claim

Carbon absolutely affects the swing weight.  The lighter the head, the lighter the swing weight.  Your SZ weighs in around 197g, most all titanium drivers weigh in at ~205g.  Every 2g of head weight = 1 SW point.  So your driver *should* be a good 2.5-3 SW points lighter than an all Ti driver.  The heavier shaft *might* add 1 Point of SW to your driver, maybe.  You're still swinging a pretty lightweight club in comparison to everything else on the market.

Allows engineers to reposition weight to change COG

Centre of Gravity has nothing to do with swing weight.  You are talking about two completely unrelated aspects.  Carbon in a head affects how heavy a head is, head weight is linked with swing weight.  Here, read this, it will explain everything https://www.tutelman...gn/swingwt4.php

I know what swing weight is and I know what COG is.  They don’t use carbon for the sole purpose of making a light driver.   They use to remove weight from crown and sole and then position tungsten to get the COG where it effects performance.  Otherwise they wouldn’t include those fancy adjustable or fixed weights!

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