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Miura 1957 Small Blade/Baby Blade enthusiasts thread! (Lots of enabling and physics lessons inside)


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#61 huddledtoast

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 10:27 AM

I've got a question for the BB experts here:

I've been keeping my eye out for deals on these for a little while (missed an unreal one a few weeks back - 3-pw BB, plus 51/55/59 1957 wedges for 1100CDN), and have come across two different types of baby blades. The 1957 (pictured above) is the more common one, but occasionally people are selling "original" baby blades, which simply look like Miura Limited/tournament blades. Are these limited ones actually BBs? How can I tell if they are, or if someone is just selling tournament blades and calling them BBs?

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 10:36 AM

View Posthuddledtoast, on 07 April 2018 - 10:27 AM, said:

I've got a question for the BB experts here:

I've been keeping my eye out for deals on these for a little while (missed an unreal one a few weeks back - 3-pw BB, plus 51/55/59 1957 wedges for 1100CDN), and have come across two different types of baby blades. The 1957 (pictured above) is the more common one, but occasionally people are selling "original" baby blades, which simply look like Miura Limited/tournament blades. Are these limited ones actually BBs? How can I tell if they are, or if someone is just selling tournament blades and calling them BBs?

TIA

I only have the later versions, but I'm pretty sure rebby mentioned that the original and earlier BBs did not have the 1957 stamping and looked like the TBs like you say.  I think there's a chance someone could sell TBs as old BBs, but they could also be real BBs.
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Posted 07 April 2018 - 11:57 AM

View PostDeNinny, on 07 April 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:


I only have the later versions, but I'm pretty sure rebby mentioned that the original and earlier BBs did not have the 1957 stamping and looked like the TBs like you say.  I think there's a chance someone could sell TBs as old BBs, but they could also be real BBs.

Interesting. So, without having them in hand, are there any distinguishing marks or shapes I can look for to know if it's a TB or BB? I've tried looking up pictures, but it's very hard to find pics of the "original" BB.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 12:07 PM

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View PostDeNinny, on 07 April 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:


I only have the later versions, but I'm pretty sure rebby mentioned that the original and earlier BBs did not have the 1957 stamping and looked like the TBs like you say.  I think there's a chance someone could sell TBs as old BBs, but they could also be real BBs.

Interesting. So, without having them in hand, are there any distinguishing marks or shapes I can look for to know if it's a TB or BB? I've tried looking up pictures, but it's very hard to find pics of the "original" BB.

I'll defer the answer to rebby but also there is a very slight shape difference in the two heads.  If you look back at my earlier pics comparing my Retro TB to my BB, there is the very slight difference in muscle length.  It's really tough to see, though, without having the two heads side by side.

Also if it matters, note that the little "ys" circle stamp after the big "MIURA" (painted yellow on my Cal Hotties set) is the indication of having conforming grooves for the BBs.

Edited by DeNinny, 07 April 2018 - 12:09 PM.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 12:08 PM

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Man really good stuff once again.  The superiority of the forging process was one of the few things you've written that I understood already and knew that's one of the major things we are paying for, but I certainly didn't understand it to that level and enjoyed learning more.  Got to love them doing one single club head at a time four times!  Really makes a lot of sense and explains why you just arent going to get that kind of quality control from the oems without going tour issue.  And even then it sounds like they are probably a bit behind and you should just go Miura anyway because the tour issue prices are meeting and exceeding miura prices at that point.  

How this all relates to feel was very interesting.  In all honesty, while I enjoy the miura feel I have a slight preference to the softer mizuno type feel.  I dont know if its actual preference or just the couple million shots I've hit with softer feeling clubs burned that feeling as "good" into my brain.  With that said I certainly enjoy the miura feel off the sweet spot and its liveliness is a very very close second to the softness of others and it's not an issue for me.  What absolutely cannot be replicated with any other club is the accuracy and immediacy of the feel off the club head.  Like you said they transmit the truth better than anything else which is what I meant when I said they are as honest as they come.  I just cant imagine giving that up and I'm glad I'm no longer considering it.

Another very big thank you for the enlightenment.  I see the BBs in a new and far more positive light.  The only negative light they ever got was from my mind running rampant with possibilities that I haven't experienced and were placed in my head by outside sources trying to sell their "science." My experience has been nothing short of stellar and the more years I'm alive the more I learn to trust my experience above all else.  Another version of the same lesson learned!

To touch briefly on your discussion about wearing out the BBs I have my own methods of dealing with it.  First I got another set and know I can get them rechromed and regrooved at least once each with no issues, which covers a few years at least.  With that said I am trying to "make it" and practice and play a lot.  As I believe I've mentioned once or twice around here I'm a big believer in making practice as difficult as possible. You won't see me stroking 7 irons all day on the range that is for sure.  So a majority of my practice consists of doing very challenging drills and executing them with long irons first, and then ultimately with driver off the deck (the ultimate expression of swing plane control, especially with the modern sized clubs).  So I got an extra 3 iron to practice with and even have a 1 and 2 on order (thanks kaaayelll) that will see a lot of work.  This isn't to say I dont ever hit my other clubs on the range, of course I do, but they won't see a lionshare of the work.  I think you'll be surprised how easy it is to hit your short irons when your 3 iron or DOD is pure.  It certainly doesn't work the other way around :)  Anyway that will surely extend the life of my gamers by a good amount of time and I thought there might be some relevant ideas in there for you. No worries if not, I know my methods arent for everyone. But similar to the BBs and why I was originally drawn to them, these methods will give you an extremely clear picture of where your swing truly is.  Anyone can get into a groove hitting the same seven iron shot on the range and feel like they are getting better, but how often does that translate to the course?  It's just grooving compensations in the end and short irons make that quite easy to do.  DOD on the other hand won't let you get away with that ;)

Another very large thank you for taking the time you have to share in here.  I originally wasn't thrilled that I created this thread and wasnt all that excited to see it brought back to life the other day, but something truly great has come of it and I'm really grateful for that.  I suspect if any other seekers are willing to dig through it there will be lots for them to learn. Good on you sir!

I get what you are saying about Mizuno feel.  It is "buttery" soft.  And I thought it was the greatest feel ever.  But then I hit some Miuras on real turf.  And LOL just like that guy in the mattress commercials I thought to myself, "I've been living a lie."  I got hit hard by the "truth" of Miura forged steel.  If hitting a Mizuno blade pure feels like hitting a marshmallow, hitting a Miura blade is like hitting a frozen one.  There is a solid and "crispy" feel to them that distinguishes them from Mizuno.  It is somewhat from design differences but again the different forging processes and raw steel used are going to change the feel too.  It ultimately is a matter of personal preference what feels the best and for me I am completely addicted to Miura's feel.  Other clubs, even my beloved mp67s just don't feel as good anymore.  Miuras have ruined other clubs for good with me.

LMAO to take it even farther, I don't even want to play my Cal Hottie BBs anymore ATM because they don't have leather grips like my Porn Stars have.  Getting the right feel to me is getting everything right in the material from impact to my hands.  And the combination of leather grips, quality steel shafts, glued heads, and top notch forged steel is what I have sought to "engineer" to the best of my abilities and it is to the point that I want no compromise.  LOL as such I am not even playing my Cal Hotties until I get their new kangaroo leather grips on them.

One other thing to mention about superior feel at the molecular level is that interfaces between multiple materials also introduces "noise" and lowers the quality of the feel.  In particular clubheads with plastic and metal combined are just horrible for it.  And again it gets down to issues at the molecular level.  The way plastic molecules vibrate is much different than steel.  Plus, at the interface between the two materials there are literally "voids" or pockets of emptiness because, at the molecular level,  two materials don't ever "fit" each other perfect like a puzzle.  So as a pulse from vibrations crosses this interface, it loses its "purity".  (LOL but it sure is cheaper to use plastic and cast carbon steel than a single block of high quality forged carbon steel.)

So once again the BBs are superior in feel to all these multi-material irons that are made that way for no other technical reason than cost.

Also yeah I too practice with that black boron 2i a lot for all the reasons you stated.  LOL she's called Katana because she is the queen and harsh mistress of my Porn Stars.  She "hurts" me soooo good!  And when I can hit her well, I can hit all my irons well.

Also the reason I keep my Retros is so that I can practice them, still get the Miura feel that I crave, and minimize the wear on my BB sets.  Plus, because the heads are bigger, when I switch to my BBs my ball striking gets a little easier.

I'm so glad we can relate to each other and you understand and appreciate my technical explanations.  LOL all I'm doing is explaining the pure and simple physical reality.  You can mark my words and my promise to any fellow WRXer is that I will NEVER contradict a law of science in anything I ever post.

Lol you are hilarious.  Love all the names and I should have known better than to think you wouldn't know to practice with katana most :)

I really didn't need you to bring up leather grips man!  I'm generally unhappy with modern grips and cant find anything I consider perfect.  Feel like I'm always giving up something. I have briefly started researching leather grips and thought it might be the next step for my BBs.  Now you have sent me further down the rabbit hole once again! Please send me your reccomendations on leather grips and what I need to look out for at your convenience. I'm guessing you already did all of the research and can save me some time as I'm starting from scratch here.  As always you are the man and your information is very much appreciated.  I want to know the truth no matter how uncomfortable and I want to know why.  We may be few and far between but its definitely good to know there are others out there!

Also I did see that forging video before but I understand its significance much more now.   Really is something special and I agree it says something that they are willing to put it out in the open like they do. They know they are taking steps others arent. Nothing to hide.


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 12:11 PM

View Posthuddledtoast, on 07 April 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

View PostDeNinny, on 07 April 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:


I only have the later versions, but I'm pretty sure rebby mentioned that the original and earlier BBs did not have the 1957 stamping and looked like the TBs like you say.  I think there's a chance someone could sell TBs as old BBs, but they could also be real BBs.

Interesting. So, without having them in hand, are there any distinguishing marks or shapes I can look for to know if it's a TB or BB? I've tried looking up pictures, but it's very hard to find pics of the "original" BB.


That's going to be really tough for all but a true BB expert to pick up without having them side by side in person.  One thing to consider is I believe all of the original BBs will have non conforming grooves. Other than that I dont believe there will be a difference in the design but I'm not 100% on that.  Like you have said there isn't a lot of info on the original BB out there.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 05:32 PM

View PostPopIt&DropIt, on 07 April 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

Lol you are hilarious.  Love all the names and I should have known better than to think you wouldn't know to practice with katana most :)

I really didn't need you to bring up leather grips man!  I'm generally unhappy with modern grips and cant find anything I consider perfect.  Feel like I'm always giving up something. I have briefly started researching leather grips and thought it might be the next step for my BBs.  Now you have sent me further down the rabbit hole once again! Please send me your reccomendations on leather grips and what I need to look out for at your convenience. I'm guessing you already did all of the research and can save me some time as I'm starting from scratch here.  As always you are the man and your information is very much appreciated.  I want to know the truth no matter how uncomfortable and I want to know why.  We may be few and far between but its definitely good to know there are others out there!

Also I did see that forging video before but I understand its significance much more now.   Really is something special and I agree it says something that they are willing to put it out in the open like they do. They know they are taking steps others arent. Nothing to hide.

As much as I am about the technical side of golf, I'm all about the positive psychology side of it too.  It goes along with the superior feedback of a blade design.  The design rewards a good swing with a good shot result and a good physical feel.  And to play them with the correct mind set you have to always stay positive and always stay on a positive feedback psychological loop.  So to me positive thoughts like affectionate and sexy names for my clubs and also positive visuals like beautifully paintfilled irons are important to keep feeding the positive feedback in my head.  I painstakingly paintfill and then epoxy fill all my Miuras and always fill the 6i stamp at the bottom blue and the 9i yellow.  I do that not only to never pull the wrong club between the two, but also to remind myself of my education and how it is an integral part of my golf.  So when I go and grab one of my Miuras, from the moment I'm looking at my bag I'm immediately seeing beauty and more importantly what enabled me to see the beauty from a complete technical standpoint.  It may not amount to much but I like to think that it helps.

LOL leather is the way to go with all club grips as far as I'm concerned.  From a durability and feel standpoint they are better.  Rubber and silastomer grips are much more susceptible to UV light degradation and so over time the polymers that comprise the grip will break down from simply exposure to sunlight.  Leather will not degrade at nearly the same rate.  Plus there is the abrasive wear from simply gripping the grip and the hands and fingers rubbing the surface of the grip which again goes in favor of leather over rubber or silicone elastomer.  And then finally in terms of feel, the shock absorption capability of leather is better so miss hits don't feel as bad with them.  LMAO I hate to tell you but leather grips are awesome in combination with BBs.

And yes I have tried a few types of GripMasters on my own clubs and hit Best Grips from trying other WRXers clubs.  At the moment my favorite is the GripMaster Club Maker's Stitchback.  They are quality cowhide leather with a red stitched rib up the bottom.  They are on my Porn Stars and my gamer woods and wedges.  Here's some pics:

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I really like how a simple continuous layer of leather feels in my hands overall and the stitch rib up the bottom is a nice touch.  And yeah they make my Porn Stars feel phenomenal.  By contrast my Cal Hotties still have NO1 silastomer grips which perform fine but they make miss hits feel more harsh than the Porn Stars.  But tomorrow that will be no more.  I have some GripMaster Kangaroo Stitchbacks that are going to get installed tomorrow.  I cannot wait.  And the kangaroo leather feels awesome.  A little softer than the cowhide.  Who knows?  The kangaroos may turn out to be the best.  Dunno yet.

Second to the GripMaster Stitchbacks I have their traditional wrapped cowhide Classics on my mp67s and backup woods and wedges.  These are nice but again I am much preferring the continuous feel of a single layer of leather with the single stitch line up the bottom as compared to a spiral wrap seam around and around the club.  They are still nice feeling though.

Third to the above I like the GripMaster bargain line which are the Kidd Leathers.  I put these on my wife's blades and they feel nice too.  Like the Stitchbacks, they are a continuous layer of leather but with a sewn seam up the bottom as opposed to a stitched one.  Also the sewn seam doesn't feel as evident and distinct as the stitch seam.

Other good leather grips are Best Grips standard black microperfs or the latest GripMaster Master series that you can get in multiple colors.  I have the blue Masters series on my Retros.

Edited by DeNinny, 07 April 2018 - 05:45 PM.

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 11:56 AM

View PostPopIt&DropIt, on 07 April 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

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I want to know the truth no matter how uncomfortable and I want to know why.  We may be few and far between but its definitely good to know there are others out there!
...

One of my favorite quotes is from Gloria Steinem:  "The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off."  And this is exactly what happened to me when I learned the technical truth about the carney sham(e) of "forgiveness".  But then it did also set me free from the trappings of all of it.

The issue with having the incorrect science of the game and specifically with not truly understanding what clubhead designs are doing to the ball physics is that it will convolute troubleshooting and ultimately stymie true learning and improvement.  If the wrong science behind ball flight or a miss hit is in a golfer's head, then when he observes that certain ball flight or miss hit he will likely associate it to the wrong causation physics.  And if he ingrains the incorrect causation physics from his false understanding of his clubs, then it will be very difficult for him to improve upon those issues because he won't know how to fix them.  Also he might be led to trying to fix and issue that isn't really an issue.

I've shared PMs with a former semi-pro WRXer who was pushed into using his sponsor's CBs in competition instead of his old school blades which he gamed the best, and his game suffered because of it.  At the time he didn't realize the exact science as to why he wasn't playing well with the CBs, and for a time he actually thought it was his swing that was off instead.

Edited by DeNinny, 08 April 2018 - 01:13 PM.

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 04:56 PM

View PostPopIt&DropIt, on 07 April 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

View Posthuddledtoast, on 07 April 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

View PostDeNinny, on 07 April 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:

I only have the later versions, but I'm pretty sure rebby mentioned that the original and earlier BBs did not have the 1957 stamping and looked like the TBs like you say.  I think there's a chance someone could sell TBs as old BBs, but they could also be real BBs.

Interesting. So, without having them in hand, are there any distinguishing marks or shapes I can look for to know if it's a TB or BB? I've tried looking up pictures, but it's very hard to find pics of the "original" BB.

That's going to be really tough for all but a true BB expert to pick up without having them side by side in person.  One thing to consider is I believe all of the original BBs will have non conforming grooves. Other than that I dont believe there will be a difference in the design but I'm not 100% on that.  Like you have said there isn't a lot of info on the original BB out there.

Correct, the pre 1957 stamped baby blade was a non-CoC groove club. That's why I moved on to my 1957 stamped irons in the beginning (reverse circle-K following "MIURA" text), I actually preferred the cleaner look of the pre-stamp blades.

So initially what we now know as the 1957 baby blade was known as the Miura LE Blade. They were quickly nicknamed the "baby blade" due to their subtle, yet obvious, smaller size compared to the Tournament Blade. The only way that I know of to tell the difference between the LE blade the Tournament Blade is to either hold them side by side or get out your ruler. If you have them in hand, and really know what you're looking at, you can tell but, in pictures especially, it's tough. My (former) Miura dealer posted some valuable information between the LE Blade and the Tournament Blade here -> http://www.golfwrx.c...tourney-blades/ Because PhotoBucket has gone to $h|7 in the last couple of years all the images are broken but he still has them online -> http://s137.photobuc...s?sort=3&page=1

There are 2 points that Ted made about the BB when I first made the leap;

- LE Blade launches about 1* lower
- LE Blade has 5mph faster ball speeds in robot testing

Both of these really ring true. I'm not sure about 5mph faster but they are faster than the TB. When I made the move from a "traditionally sized blade" (which includes my 1950's era Hogan Precisions) I did pick up 2-3y of carry all else being equal. With the slightly faster ball speeds, the lower launch was beneficial as well and my peak heights and AoD remained in the window that I prefer. Over the years, due to various swing changes, course changes, and changes in personal preference, I've played several shafts with these heads. Tweaking shafts is more of practice in fine-tuning than anything else, the irons remain quite playable (assuming that you can get past the mental hurdle).

​The only thing that I would have changed about the baby blade had I any influence at all with Miura-San would have been the stock lofts. I always thought that the stock loft progression was odd and didn't gap well. I ended up bending the PW to 48' and going with 4' loft progressions up the bag from there with the exception of the 2/3 iron. For the most part, I've played w/out the 3-iron and instead bagged the 2-iron (slightly weak from stock). This gives me a little bigger gap from 2-iron to 4-iron but I've learned how to hit a "weak 2.5-iron" in those rare cases when I find myself between clubs here (which hasn't happened much).

Long story short, these are great irons. I simply can't say enough good things about them.
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Posted 08 April 2018 - 06:33 PM

Great, I thought it was just DeNinny but now I see it's an epidemic.

If I have MIura BBs with Nippon shafts before the end of 2018 I blame all posters in this thread.   Not just DeNinny.

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:25 PM

View Postdan360, on 08 April 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

Great, I thought it was just DeNinny but now I see it's an epidemic.

If I have MIura BBs with Nippon shafts before the end of 2018 I blame all posters in this thread.   Not just DeNinny.

Be sure to thank us when the time comes. You're welcome.
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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:27 PM

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View Postdan360, on 08 April 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

Great, I thought it was just DeNinny but now I see it's an epidemic.    

If I have MIura BBs with Nippon shafts before the end of 2018 I blame all posters in this thread.   Not just DeNinny.

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 10:30 PM

not to confuse.. BUT... I thought there were 3 small blade versions....The 1st retro script , non conforming version..   The regular logo version with the same logo as most tournament blades, and the 1957 version..? last 2 being conforming .....I may be wrong...  Ill get a pic of the last 2 and be sure...  I know the retro version exists as i almost bought a set before i realized they were non conforming...

also ... what is the actual difference bewteen the 57 LE with the backward K v\s the ones without?

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 10:37 PM

View Postdan360, on 08 April 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

Great, I thought it was just DeNinny but now I see it's an epidemic.    

If I have MIura BBs with Nippon shafts before the end of 2018 I blame all posters in this thread.   Not just DeNinny.

Says the guy who got to hit my Cal Hottie 3i with a Nippon NS Pro 950.

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 11:28 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 08 April 2018 - 10:30 PM, said:

not to confuse.. BUT... I thought there were 3 small blade versions....The 1st retro script , non conforming version..   The regular logo version with the same logo as most tournament blades, and the 1957 version..? last 2 being conforming .....I may be wrong...  Ill get a pic of the last 2 and be sure...  I know the retro version exists as i almost bought a set before i realized they were non conforming...

also ... what is the actual difference bewteen the 57 LE with the backward K v\s the ones without?

I can't speak one way or another on the retro script version. I've never owned one of those but that doesn't mean anything. There is a Miuraism SB-01 (which is very similar but not the same). Again, never owned that one either but here some info -> http://www.golfwrx.c...miura-circle-k/

The reverse Circle-K (if you look close its actually "SL" in that circle) is what Miura added when they went to CoC grooves ("Score Lines"). Notice how no 2-irons are stamped w/the reverse Circle-K, CoC grooves only matter on clubs with more than a certain amount of loft (I don't recall the specifics at the moment).

The holy grail of Miura 1957s as far as I'm concerned however is the combination of the reverse Circle-K side by side with a Circle-K. The Circle-K is Miura-San's personal mark. It means that the man himself did the work. There are are a few of these floating around but, as you'd expect, not many. Somehow KJ Choi got his hands on a set of CK 501s???

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 07:16 PM

View Postrebby, on 08 April 2018 - 11:28 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 08 April 2018 - 10:30 PM, said:

not to confuse.. BUT... I thought there were 3 small blade versions....The 1st retro script , non conforming version..   The regular logo version with the same logo as most tournament blades, and the 1957 version..? last 2 being conforming .....I may be wrong...  Ill get a pic of the last 2 and be sure...  I know the retro version exists as i almost bought a set before i realized they were non conforming...

also ... what is the actual difference bewteen the 57 LE with the backward K v\s the ones without?

I can't speak one way or another on the retro script version. I've never owned one of those but that doesn't mean anything. There is a Miuraism SB-01 (which is very similar but not the same). Again, never owned that one either but here some info -> http://www.golfwrx.c...miura-circle-k/

The reverse Circle-K (if you look close its actually "SL" in that circle) is what Miura added when they went to CoC grooves ("Score Lines"). Notice how no 2-irons are stamped w/the reverse Circle-K, CoC grooves only matter on clubs with more than a certain amount of loft (I don't recall the specifics at the moment).

The holy grail of Miura 1957s as far as I'm concerned however is the combination of the reverse Circle-K side by side with a Circle-K. The Circle-K is Miura-San's personal mark. It means that the man himself did the work. There are are a few of these floating around but, as you'd expect, not many. Somehow KJ Choi got his hands on a set of CK 501s???

See ... There lies confusion with me, I've seen Circle SL Circle K Baby Blades with my own eyes. Not many at all, but I've seen them. I get it. I know they exist.

BUTTTTTTT.

I've also been told Miura-San did ALL of the Baby Blades. Reputable source too.

Can both be accurate? Are both accurate? I've pondered this for a while.

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Posted 09 April 2018 - 08:18 PM

View PostRaidersgolf99, on 09 April 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

View Postrebby, on 08 April 2018 - 11:28 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 08 April 2018 - 10:30 PM, said:

not to confuse.. BUT... I thought there were 3 small blade versions....The 1st retro script , non conforming version..   The regular logo version with the same logo as most tournament blades, and the 1957 version..? last 2 being conforming .....I may be wrong...  Ill get a pic of the last 2 and be sure...  I know the retro version exists as i almost bought a set before i realized they were non conforming...

also ... what is the actual difference bewteen the 57 LE with the backward K v\s the ones without?

I can't speak one way or another on the retro script version. I've never owned one of those but that doesn't mean anything. There is a Miuraism SB-01 (which is very similar but not the same). Again, never owned that one either but here some info -> http://www.golfwrx.c...miura-circle-k/

The reverse Circle-K (if you look close its actually "SL" in that circle) is what Miura added when they went to CoC grooves ("Score Lines"). Notice how no 2-irons are stamped w/the reverse Circle-K, CoC grooves only matter on clubs with more than a certain amount of loft (I don't recall the specifics at the moment).

The holy grail of Miura 1957s as far as I'm concerned however is the combination of the reverse Circle-K side by side with a Circle-K. The Circle-K is Miura-San's personal mark. It means that the man himself did the work. There are are a few of these floating around but, as you'd expect, not many. Somehow KJ Choi got his hands on a set of CK 501s???

See ... There lies confusion with me, I've seen Circle SL Circle K Baby Blades with my own eyes. Not many at all, but I've seen them. I get it. I know they exist.

BUTTTTTTT.

I've also been told Miura-San did ALL of the Baby Blades. Reputable source too.

Can both be accurate? Are both accurate? I've pondered this for a while.

I have heard this as well. Perhaps that's why there aren't many (any?) CK 1957s?
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 08:55 PM

View Postrebby, on 09 April 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

View PostRaidersgolf99, on 09 April 2018 - 07:16 PM, said:

View Postrebby, on 08 April 2018 - 11:28 PM, said:

View Postbladehunter, on 08 April 2018 - 10:30 PM, said:

not to confuse.. BUT... I thought there were 3 small blade versions....The 1st retro script , non conforming version..   The regular logo version with the same logo as most tournament blades, and the 1957 version..? last 2 being conforming .....I may be wrong...  Ill get a pic of the last 2 and be sure...  I know the retro version exists as i almost bought a set before i realized they were non conforming...

also ... what is the actual difference bewteen the 57 LE with the backward K v\s the ones without?

I can't speak one way or another on the retro script version. I've never owned one of those but that doesn't mean anything. There is a Miuraism SB-01 (which is very similar but not the same). Again, never owned that one either but here some info -> http://www.golfwrx.c...miura-circle-k/

The reverse Circle-K (if you look close its actually "SL" in that circle) is what Miura added when they went to CoC grooves ("Score Lines"). Notice how no 2-irons are stamped w/the reverse Circle-K, CoC grooves only matter on clubs with more than a certain amount of loft (I don't recall the specifics at the moment).

The holy grail of Miura 1957s as far as I'm concerned however is the combination of the reverse Circle-K side by side with a Circle-K. The Circle-K is Miura-San's personal mark. It means that the man himself did the work. There are are a few of these floating around but, as you'd expect, not many. Somehow KJ Choi got his hands on a set of CK 501s???

See ... There lies confusion with me, I've seen Circle SL Circle K Baby Blades with my own eyes. Not many at all, but I've seen them. I get it. I know they exist.

BUTTTTTTT.

I've also been told Miura-San did ALL of the Baby Blades. Reputable source too.

Can both be accurate? Are both accurate? I've pondered this for a while.

I have heard this as well. Perhaps that's why there aren't many (any?) CK 1957s?

Both my sets just have the Circle SL stamp.  No Circle K.  I'm taking that as he didn't do the final grind on them.  It doesn't make sense that there would only be some BBs with the Circle K but yet he did all of them.

I have seen the Circle K (painted red) on the lower "Hagane" blades per this pic and for sure it is a different logo than the Circle SL.
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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:30 AM

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I want to know the truth no matter how uncomfortable and I want to know why.  We may be few and far between but its definitely good to know there are others out there!
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One of my favorite quotes is from Gloria Steinem:  "The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off."  And this is exactly what happened to me when I learned the technical truth about the carney sham(e) of "forgiveness".  But then it did also set me free from the trappings of all of it.

The issue with having the incorrect science of the game and specifically with not truly understanding what clubhead designs are doing to the ball physics is that it will convolute troubleshooting and ultimately stymie true learning and improvement.  If the wrong science behind ball flight or a miss hit is in a golfer's head, then when he observes that certain ball flight or miss hit he will likely associate it to the wrong causation physics.  And if he ingrains the incorrect causation physics from his false understanding of his clubs, then it will be very difficult for him to improve upon those issues because he won't know how to fix them.  Also he might be led to trying to fix and issue that isn't really an issue.

I've shared PMs with a former semi-pro WRXer who was pushed into using his sponsor's CBs in competition instead of his old school blades which he gamed the best, and his game suffered because of it.  At the time he didn't realize the exact science as to why he wasn't playing well with the CBs, and for a time he actually thought it was his swing that was off instead.

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 08:32 AM

In direct contradiction to my post above, can I just choose to believe all BBs are done by Miura San? It's more fun that way:)

I dont have anything to add to that side of the discussion but it's been interesting reading.  This has turned out to be quite the interesting and informative thread in the end.  Thanks to all for contributing!


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Posted 10 April 2018 - 06:44 PM

Remember that the circle SL denotes SCORE LINES which certify conforming grooves.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 06:05 PM

View Postrebby, on 08 April 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

View PostPopIt&DropIt, on 07 April 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

View Posthuddledtoast, on 07 April 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

View PostDeNinny, on 07 April 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:

I only have the later versions, but I'm pretty sure rebby mentioned that the original and earlier BBs did not have the 1957 stamping and looked like the TBs like you say.  I think there's a chance someone could sell TBs as old BBs, but they could also be real BBs.

Interesting. So, without having them in hand, are there any distinguishing marks or shapes I can look for to know if it's a TB or BB? I've tried looking up pictures, but it's very hard to find pics of the "original" BB.

That's going to be really tough for all but a true BB expert to pick up without having them side by side in person.  One thing to consider is I believe all of the original BBs will have non conforming grooves. Other than that I dont believe there will be a difference in the design but I'm not 100% on that.  Like you have said there isn't a lot of info on the original BB out there.

Correct, the pre 1957 stamped baby blade was a non-CoC groove club. That's why I moved on to my 1957 stamped irons in the beginning (reverse circle-K following "MIURA" text), I actually preferred the cleaner look of the pre-stamp blades.

So initially what we now know as the 1957 baby blade was known as the Miura LE Blade. They were quickly nicknamed the "baby blade" due to their subtle, yet obvious, smaller size compared to the Tournament Blade. The only way that I know of to tell the difference between the LE blade the Tournament Blade is to either hold them side by side or get out your ruler. If you have them in hand, and really know what you're looking at, you can tell but, in pictures especially, it's tough. My (former) Miura dealer posted some valuable information between the LE Blade and the Tournament Blade here -> http://www.golfwrx.c...tourney-blades/ Because PhotoBucket has gone to $h|7 in the last couple of years all the images are broken but he still has them online -> http://s137.photobuc...rt=3&page=1

There are 2 points that Ted made about the BB when I first made the leap;

- LE Blade launches about 1* lower
- LE Blade has 5mph faster ball speeds in robot testing

Both of these really ring true. I'm not sure about 5mph faster but they are faster than the TB. When I made the move from a "traditionally sized blade" (which includes my 1950's era Hogan Precisions) I did pick up 2-3y of carry all else being equal. With the slightly faster ball speeds, the lower launch was beneficial as well and my peak heights and AoD remained in the window that I prefer. Over the years, due to various swing changes, course changes, and changes in personal preference, I've played several shafts with these heads. Tweaking shafts is more of practice in fine-tuning than anything else, the irons remain quite playable (assuming that you can get past the mental hurdle).

​The only thing that I would have changed about the baby blade had I any influence at all with Miura-San would have been the stock lofts. I always thought that the stock loft progression was odd and didn't gap well. I ended up bending the PW to 48' and going with 4' loft progressions up the bag from there with the exception of the 2/3 iron. For the most part, I've played w/out the 3-iron and instead bagged the 2-iron (slightly weak from stock). This gives me a little bigger gap from 2-iron to 4-iron but I've learned how to hit a "weak 2.5-iron" in those rare cases when I find myself between clubs here (which hasn't happened much).

Long story short, these are great irons. I simply can't say enough good things about them.

Thank you, that is fantastic.

I'm going to end up finding some of these soon. It's a struggle to be patient for a deal, if I have to wait too much longer I'll just buy new from one of the fitters that still has some in stock.

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:24 PM

View Posthuddledtoast, on 11 April 2018 - 06:05 PM, said:

View Postrebby, on 08 April 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

View PostPopIt&DropIt, on 07 April 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

View Posthuddledtoast, on 07 April 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

View PostDeNinny, on 07 April 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:

I only have the later versions, but I'm pretty sure rebby mentioned that the original and earlier BBs did not have the 1957 stamping and looked like the TBs like you say.  I think there's a chance someone could sell TBs as old BBs, but they could also be real BBs.

Interesting. So, without having them in hand, are there any distinguishing marks or shapes I can look for to know if it's a TB or BB? I've tried looking up pictures, but it's very hard to find pics of the "original" BB.

That's going to be really tough for all but a true BB expert to pick up without having them side by side in person.  One thing to consider is I believe all of the original BBs will have non conforming grooves. Other than that I dont believe there will be a difference in the design but I'm not 100% on that.  Like you have said there isn't a lot of info on the original BB out there.

Correct, the pre 1957 stamped baby blade was a non-CoC groove club. That's why I moved on to my 1957 stamped irons in the beginning (reverse circle-K following "MIURA" text), I actually preferred the cleaner look of the pre-stamp blades.

So initially what we now know as the 1957 baby blade was known as the Miura LE Blade. They were quickly nicknamed the "baby blade" due to their subtle, yet obvious, smaller size compared to the Tournament Blade. The only way that I know of to tell the difference between the LE blade the Tournament Blade is to either hold them side by side or get out your ruler. If you have them in hand, and really know what you're looking at, you can tell but, in pictures especially, it's tough. My (former) Miura dealer posted some valuable information between the LE Blade and the Tournament Blade here -> http://www.golfwrx.c...tourney-blades/ Because PhotoBucket has gone to $h|7 in the last couple of years all the images are broken but he still has them online -> http://s137.photobuc...rt=3&page=1

There are 2 points that Ted made about the BB when I first made the leap;

- LE Blade launches about 1* lower
- LE Blade has 5mph faster ball speeds in robot testing

Both of these really ring true. I'm not sure about 5mph faster but they are faster than the TB. When I made the move from a "traditionally sized blade" (which includes my 1950's era Hogan Precisions) I did pick up 2-3y of carry all else being equal. With the slightly faster ball speeds, the lower launch was beneficial as well and my peak heights and AoD remained in the window that I prefer. Over the years, due to various swing changes, course changes, and changes in personal preference, I've played several shafts with these heads. Tweaking shafts is more of practice in fine-tuning than anything else, the irons remain quite playable (assuming that you can get past the mental hurdle).

​The only thing that I would have changed about the baby blade had I any influence at all with Miura-San would have been the stock lofts. I always thought that the stock loft progression was odd and didn't gap well. I ended up bending the PW to 48' and going with 4' loft progressions up the bag from there with the exception of the 2/3 iron. For the most part, I've played w/out the 3-iron and instead bagged the 2-iron (slightly weak from stock). This gives me a little bigger gap from 2-iron to 4-iron but I've learned how to hit a "weak 2.5-iron" in those rare cases when I find myself between clubs here (which hasn't happened much).

Long story short, these are great irons. I simply can't say enough good things about them.

Thank you, that is fantastic.

I'm going to end up finding some of these soon. It's a struggle to be patient for a deal, if I have to wait too much longer I'll just buy new from one of the fitters that still has some in stock.

Be patient. I have a set of heads 3-P with the 1i and 2i coming soon to go with the set. They're just sitting in my closet in their original packaging. No immediate plans to shaft them up and aren't currently for sale. But if the itch overcomes you, just come knocking on my door. I may part with the 1-P as heads only.
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:44 PM

View PostKingcat990, on 11 April 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

View Posthuddledtoast, on 11 April 2018 - 06:05 PM, said:

Thank you, that is fantastic.

I'm going to end up finding some of these soon. It's a struggle to be patient for a deal, if I have to wait too much longer I'll just buy new from one of the fitters that still has some in stock.

Be patient. I have a set of heads 3-P with the 1i and 2i coming soon to go with the set. They're just sitting in my closet in their original packaging. No immediate plans to shaft them up and aren't currently for sale. But if the itch overcomes you, just come knocking on my door. I may part with the 1-P as heads only.

Err, I actually just found another set of heads only in my basement, 3-PW. They're factory chrome (altered paint fill) and used but in pretty good condition. IIRC, I grabbed these off the BST last summer when my z65 experiment failed miserably. The question is, do I need 3 sets or should I sell this one? What are these going for these days??? ;)

I wonder how many other sets of irons I have stashed down there??? Hmm...
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#85 DeNinny

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 09:01 PM

LMAO rebby probably has the first and only BBs with the Circle K stamp down in his basement.

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 09:02 PM

View Postrebby, on 11 April 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

View PostKingcat990, on 11 April 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

View Posthuddledtoast, on 11 April 2018 - 06:05 PM, said:

Thank you, that is fantastic.

I'm going to end up finding some of these soon. It's a struggle to be patient for a deal, if I have to wait too much longer I'll just buy new from one of the fitters that still has some in stock.

Be patient. I have a set of heads 3-P with the 1i and 2i coming soon to go with the set. They're just sitting in my closet in their original packaging. No immediate plans to shaft them up and aren't currently for sale. But if the itch overcomes you, just come knocking on my door. I may part with the 1-P as heads only.

Err, I actually just found another set of heads only in my basement, 3-PW. They're factory chrome (altered paint fill) and used but in pretty good condition. IIRC, I grabbed these off the BST last summer when my z65 experiment failed miserably. The question is, do I need 3 sets or should I sell this one? What are these going for these days??? ;)

I wonder how many other sets of irons I have stashed down there??? Hmm...

What the hell!

I wish I had a magical basement like that, one set would be enough for me
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 09:34 PM

I'm not sure what they're going for.  The ones I have are standard satin. I'd say the only thing that makes them interesting is the 1i and 2i heads to go along with them. I will however mention how great this thread has been with the information provided on the history of the BB's. I wasn't aware of the little Easter eggs hidden in the few sets. Been an enjoyable read.

Edited by Kingcat990, 11 April 2018 - 09:34 PM.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:07 AM

View Postrebby, on 11 April 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

View PostKingcat990, on 11 April 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

View Posthuddledtoast, on 11 April 2018 - 06:05 PM, said:

Thank you, that is fantastic.

I'm going to end up finding some of these soon. It's a struggle to be patient for a deal, if I have to wait too much longer I'll just buy new from one of the fitters that still has some in stock.

Be patient. I have a set of heads 3-P with the 1i and 2i coming soon to go with the set. They're just sitting in my closet in their original packaging. No immediate plans to shaft them up and aren't currently for sale. But if the itch overcomes you, just come knocking on my door. I may part with the 1-P as heads only.

Err, I actually just found another set of heads only in my basement, 3-PW. They're factory chrome (altered paint fill) and used but in pretty good condition. IIRC, I grabbed these off the BST last summer when my z65 experiment failed miserably. The question is, do I need 3 sets or should I sell this one? What are these going for these days??? ;)

I wonder how many other sets of irons I have stashed down there??? Hmm...


lol...  you  sound like me ... I "found" a callaway  MB1 3 iron head i forgot i had last week...  not quite the same.. but uber rare still ... wrapped in a terry cloth in the top of my rolling tool chest.
come to think of it i ran across a little miura magic in the  archives myself. :swoon:
17 M1 8.7  Tour Issue Aldila Synergy Blue 70TX
17 M1 14.5  Tour issue Graphite Design   AD DI 8X
Titleist 816H2 21 Graphite Design AD DI 105X
Miura 1957 Small Blades 3-pw Modus 130X
Vokey  sm6   54M  300 series 59  Modus 125X
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:02 PM

View Postrebby, on 11 April 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

View PostKingcat990, on 11 April 2018 - 08:24 PM, said:

View Posthuddledtoast, on 11 April 2018 - 06:05 PM, said:

Thank you, that is fantastic.

I'm going to end up finding some of these soon. It's a struggle to be patient for a deal, if I have to wait too much longer I'll just buy new from one of the fitters that still has some in stock.

Be patient. I have a set of heads 3-P with the 1i and 2i coming soon to go with the set. They're just sitting in my closet in their original packaging. No immediate plans to shaft them up and aren't currently for sale. But if the itch overcomes you, just come knocking on my door. I may part with the 1-P as heads only.

Err, I actually just found another set of heads only in my basement, 3-PW. They're factory chrome (altered paint fill) and used but in pretty good condition. IIRC, I grabbed these off the BST last summer when my z65 experiment failed miserably. The question is, do I need 3 sets or should I sell this one? What are these going for these days??? ;)

I wonder how many other sets of irons I have stashed down there??? Hmm...

I'll resist in public but will want in secret.  There's a song about this I'm sure.  

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My friends are enablers, with no shame for days...

Mizuno and PING, they tug on my heartstrings...

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 07:33 PM

^ Janis!

Well played.  Now I'm singing...

..."You know feeling forged was good enough for me.  Good enough for me and my baby blade glee."

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