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G400 vs G400 Max driver confusion??


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#31 Nessism

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 02:00 PM

G400 is 4.3% smaller than Gmax.  Such a small difference won't lead to a functional performance difference.  I agree that the timing of the Gmax release is a bit of a head scratcher but whatever.  Doesn't matter either way.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 02:04 PM

I stand corrected.  I didn't realize that the LS version of the G30 came out later.  I thought all 3 versions were released at the same time.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 02:29 PM

 jonn443, on 30 January 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

 Hedgehog, on 30 January 2018 - 03:51 AM, said:

Do you guys think Ping could do a trade in program for the G400 heads if you are better fit for the G400max? I think a lot of amateurs will be a better fit for a more forgiving driver then a less forgiving driver.


I feel a bit let down by Ping, got my 445cc G400 head late last fall when it arrived to retail stores at my location, got a 2 rounds in with it and then came winter and closed all the courses. Now I have a  2 round old driver in my bag that has already been replaced by a better product. Lets face it, 460CC option should have been offered from the get go for G400 lineup, IMO this late release was only a marketing move to counter Taylormade / Callaway at the time of their 2018 launch.

Really disappointing that Ping had to choose this route, and letting the early adopters down that tend to be the most loyal. Will look into Rogue if Ping is doing nothing to fix this situation.

The 440 is forgiving enough... if you hit it well... why does it matter and what makes it inferior to the MAX? Just because it's 20cc smaller? That is minut.. and it was already coveted as the most forgiving 440 head made. The G400 is also known to feel and sound much better then the MAX. Lastly, better players typically like to look down on a smaller footprint (with a good potential for a slightly higher club head speed).

The MAX is not for everyone... it was most likely created for higher HC.. which it must be surprising that several Top Pros chose to game it over the LS and G400. As a wrxer... you should have assumed that Ping would be releasing a 460CC version in the future. In conclusion, if you prefer a 460cc head, you probably knew that you shouldn't have bought the 440... but bought it anyways.

So, let's go over again how Ping messed up?

Not everyone is a 'better player'. For years every manufacturer has repeated that 460cc is needed for maximum forgiveness, then Ping state that it's not need as 445 is just as good and being slightly smaller will help with club head speed (especially as turbulators are bollox).
So...many players try the 445cc, don't necessarily want that smaller head but it's sold on the strength of it being just as forgiving. £300 later and 6 month later, low and behold a bigger and better club arrives on the scene.

I never purchased the G400 but several friends did. I know 2 of them are pissed off and gutted about the new bigger head's arrival ..pleased they are not

So, let's go over again how Ping have acted so innocently.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:02 PM

The Ping G400 Max driver is very forgiving. Unfortunately for some Ping customers, they are not. :D Sorry, I had to.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 07:31 PM

 Double Gee, on 30 January 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

So, let's go over again how Ping have acted so innocently.

Can we go over again how people were forced into buying something they weren’t satisfied with?


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:29 PM

 VNutz, on 30 January 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

 Double Gee, on 30 January 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

So, let's go over again how Ping have acted so innocently.

Can we go over again how people were forced into buying something they werenít satisfied with?

They should have introduced both the standard and the max version at or about the same time so that people could get fit and have the option of choosing the best design for their game.

Edited by e-man, 30 January 2018 - 11:29 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2018 - 12:25 AM

I ‘m playing the G400 SFT 12*.  No plans on changing. I really forget about it being a 445 cc  driver until I see these type of threads. What does surprise me if the G400 Max is being mostly marketed for slower speeds why no higher loft than 10.5, unless it really does launch higher and spin more .
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 02:32 AM

 Hedgehog, on 30 January 2018 - 03:51 AM, said:

Do you guys think Ping could do a trade in program for the G400 heads if you are better fit for the G400max? I think a lot of amateurs will be a better fit for a more forgiving driver then a less forgiving driver.


I feel a bit let down by Ping, got my 445cc G400 head late last fall when it arrived to retail stores at my location, got a 2 rounds in with it and then came winter and closed all the courses. Now I have a  2 round old driver in my bag that has already been replaced by a better product. Lets face it, 460CC option should have been offered from the get go for G400 lineup, IMO this late release was only a marketing move to counter Taylormade / Callaway at the time of their 2018 launch.

Really disappointing that Ping had to choose this route, and letting the early adopters down that tend to be the most loyal. Will look into Rogue if Ping is doing nothing to fix this situation.

The G400 was not replaced!

The Max is just another option for those who need to see 460cc, maybe only think that 445cc is for better players, or they have so much speed (Pros), that they want that forgiveness, etc.

The G400 was the highest MOI driver on the market until the Max. I don't know the numbers but let's say I traded in my other old driver, the Epic, because the Ping was more forgiving than an excellent 460cc driver. It is obviously less twisty on off-center hits.

So to feel slighted is overstating your case, or you misunderstand the driver. The G400 sounds and feels better than the GMax, can offer more speed, is extremely forgiving, launches high, and is an outstanding driver. Play it, don't play "whoa is me". Just find the right shaft for it. I did not care for any stock offerings. This club comes alive with the right shaft.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 02:45 AM

The G400 Max is just an addition to the lineup. LST, G400, Max, SFT. It’s not a replacement or one specifically for higher handicap players. It’s just a 460cc more forgiving version of the standard G400.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 02:47 AM

G400 total MOI is around 9200, G400 Max total MOI is around 9800. Closest competitor is Rogue with around 8800, and M2 with around 7600.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 03:21 AM

 ATAlxndr, on 31 January 2018 - 02:47 AM, said:

G400 total MOI is around 9200, G400 Max total MOI is around 9800.

The change in MOI is the biggest reason normal G400 users feel upset about this 6 month release cycle. G400 is just plain and simple an inferior product now.

Have heard this "it's not replacing", yeah nobody said it is.. But its on par with performance of G400 and is outperforming in forgiveness, people don't buy Ping drivers for the looks (dragonfly, turbulators, come on..) or the longest distance, they buy it for forgiveness, usually a properly fit Ping player already has the needed length off the tee and is looking for forgiveness. IMO

People here commenting a lot "Max sounds like s**t compared to G400" "it's for the high handicapper" but these are all NOT THE POINT, and on most parts just an opinion more then fact. Many tests show reviewers saying it sounds just as good as G400, performs on on many occasions better then the original head, a lot of professional staff are putting MAX in the bag, Finau hitting the Max 360yards on Trackman, so yeah for the hight handicapper..

Also not the point is "why did you buy it if you don't like it" "dont buy gear end of year" "if you didn't fit well to G400 head why did you get it" these are also not the point. Was properly fit for a G400 head, liked it, it outperformed for example Callaway Epic in on-course testing. Had proper swig weight, shaft, length, loft checked for optimum flight. Ping release cycle has been solid for many years, when you buy after launch that was at the end of year basically, odds are you have the most forgiving driver in your bag for the next 2 years and your investment has good value. Now, not so much.

And in G30 LST case, that is not comparable, as LST was a reaction to Ping dropping the i-line drivers and not offering anything for the guys trying to lower the spin, as it was pretty much a trend back then, G30 LST was also a fade bias head, that has usually been a big NO for a lot of amateurs since slice is the most common mis-hit for amateurs.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 04:03 AM

I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about if you're not happy with your g400 then sell it or trade it in for the Max. I personally purchased the G400 because of the smaller head size. If you want 460cc then go get one and stop your whining. It not Pings responsibility to put out products according to your schedule.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 04:14 AM

 nyjets1, on 31 January 2018 - 04:03 AM, said:

I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about if you're not happy with your g400 then sell it or trade it in for the Max. I personally purchased the G400 because of the smaller head size. If you want 460cc then go get one and stop your whining. It not Pings responsibility to put out products according to your schedule.

Nice caring attitude ...not.

How about you wanted a smaller head, but go to a Ping fitting ask about something smaller, to be told that sorry, there's not going to be a 445cc head (the fitter laughing).
You hit the 460 well, you DO want a Ping, so you buy it. Things go well but then a 445 arrives.
I wonder how you feel?

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 04:52 AM

I'd feel just fine nobody put a gun to my head to make the purchase. I would accept it like a man and move on. This type of thing happens every day in the real world of retail.The fitter or salesman's (same thing) job is to  sperate you from your money with the inventory they have in stock not tell you something better is  coming so don't buy now. If you wanted a 460 Driver and it had to be a Ping you should a bought the G or G30 instead of complaining about your mistake in buying a club you didn't want in the first place. Listen don't buy the Max because in the fall the G700 will come out an we'll have to go through this all over again.

Edited by nyjets1, 31 January 2018 - 06:27 AM.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 06:22 AM

People need to stop complaining and just get both heads. This is Golfwrx!!! :rockon:

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 06:26 AM

 Double Gee, on 31 January 2018 - 04:14 AM, said:

 nyjets1, on 31 January 2018 - 04:03 AM, said:

I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about if you're not happy with your g400 then sell it or trade it in for the Max. I personally purchased the G400 because of the smaller head size. If you want 460cc then go get one and stop your whining. It not Pings responsibility to put out products according to your schedule.

Nice caring attitude ...not.

How about you wanted a smaller head, but go to a Ping fitting ask about something smaller, to be told that sorry, there's not going to be a 445cc head (the fitter laughing).
You hit the 460 well, you DO want a Ping, so you buy it. Things go well but then a 445 arrives.
I wonder how you feel?

Sorry guys we are victims of our time.

What I mean is that nowadays, as soon as a Company shares an information with more that 10 persons, such information is leaked on the net and made available to competitors.

Therefore, the only way to keep the info controlled, is keeping it secret.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 06:41 AM

A couple people here need to grow up. Ping didnt release the max later just to screw you over. There was a market for it and they filled it.

Again like others have stated - You were not forced to buy the driver. Its your own fault you bought the wrong driver that 3 months ago was the right driver.

lets not forget to mention the old new driver is still new and can be sold for a good amount in BST.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:11 AM

Those 15cc are sure going to stop you from sky balling it and smoking it into the woods- letís be realistic here folks!

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:30 AM

Tony Finau's bagged a MAX ...
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:30 AM

 e-man, on 30 January 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

They messed up because they should have released both options at the same time.  How would you high SS players feel if they released the standard G400 without any hint of an LS model and then the LS model came out less than 6 months after you took the plunge on the standard model?  Or let's reverse it.  Let's say that the 460 head came out and you bought it only I find out that less than 6 months later they came out with a 445cc model of the same club?   It's the same product family, which is why people are upset.
You mean like what actually happened with the G30 and G30 LS.


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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:32 AM

I read through this thread twice and still cannot believe what some are saying.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:39 AM

 wobgon, on 31 January 2018 - 07:32 AM, said:

I read through this thread twice and still cannot believe what some are saying.
It's snowflake central in here.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:42 AM

 Nudga, on 31 January 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

Tony Finau's bagged a MAX ...

...and is putting up some serious numbers with it, too.

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 07:51 AM

Moral of the story? Never buy a new club. They will just then come out with a newer model that will replace the club you just bought, leaving you with an old model. Same goes for cars and cell phones and computers.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 08:07 AM

 magnus7319, on 31 January 2018 - 07:51 AM, said:

Moral of the story? Never buy a new club. They will just then come out with a newer model that will replace the club you just bought, leaving you with an old model. Same goes for cars and cell phones and computers.
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 08:29 AM

Only the ping fairhful could find fault with more choices. And finally a choice that isnít max moi and max footprint.  I find the g400 lst To be a great performing Driver.  If I ordered a new Driver it would likely be just that if they still allow a digitally lofted head choice etc.  the ribs on top donít really bother me.  Not the best looking but giving I am playing and love the m1 3 wood. I canít really be choosy aboot crown appearance. Gosh knows the white isnít the best looking either.  

Bottom line why find fault with ping for finally offering something that isnít 460cc that looks like itís 560cc ?  Especially when they are offering the hi moi version too!

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 09:24 AM

Mark Crossfield makes the point in he's PGA Demo Day video at 8:34

https://youtu.be/PKF_bV4OwJw?t=8m34s

Crossfield says he would go with the Max version all day long, and he knows a thing or two about golf.

Not a betting man but I have a feeling most of G400 users would have gone with Max also, if they would have had the option when they got fitted for the original G400 (when max was not offered yet).
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 09:36 AM

Companies have no responsibility to explain new releases.  Your "fitter" that laughed in reality had no idea what ping was doing.  Companies release what they release.  If the demand is there, they release it.  I don't get the outrage.  Here's a secret...there will be a driver or 3 released after the Max and then some after that also.  The G400 is in high demand in shops and bst.  Sell yours and buy a Max or be outraged and buy Callaway/Tm/Titleist who do the exact same thing.  Release drivers to make money.....
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Posted 31 January 2018 - 09:56 AM

 Hedgehog, on 31 January 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

Mark Crossfield makes the point in he's PGA Demo Day video at 8:34

https://youtu.be/PKF_bV4OwJw?t=8m34s

Crossfield says he would go with the Max version all day long, and he knows a thing or two about golf.

Not a betting man but I have a feeling most of G400 users would have gone with Max also, if they would have had the option when they got fitted for the original G400 (when max was not offered yet).

I donít get the point.

You made your point clear some posts ago, why you are reiterating over and over? And without adding any new point of discussion.

Especially if you didnít buy one previously, take it easy mate.

Edited by Marco Colo, 31 January 2018 - 09:57 AM.


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Posted 31 January 2018 - 10:13 AM

Why is this so hard for people to understand.   Ping has historically had a 2 year product cycle.  You could always take comfort in buying a new Ping driver at retail knowing that the latest and greatest Ping driver wouldn't be released for 2 years and that your "investment" would be somewhat protected (obviously a new golf club is not an investment, but Ping's tend to hold their value more than other clubs because of the 2 year product cycle).

In this situation, many people bought early knowing that they had the latest and greatest and that something better wouldn't come along within a few months.  That's not what happened here and that's why people are upset.

And I understand that this is not a replacement, rather an addition, but it's an option that a lot of players would have liked to try before spending $400 on a new driver if they knew it would be out within 6 months of their new club purchase.


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