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G400 vs G400 Max driver confusion??


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#1 jimb6golf

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 09:52 AM

I was really excited when the G400 driver came out, with it's faster speed and extreme forgiveness.  Now they have come out with the Max version. At first I thought this was similar in thought to the old G Max irons that came out a couple of years ago - they were meant for extreme forgiveness for higher handicap players.  But now I'm not so sure about the driver.  Is it meant for higher handicap players or are they saying the G400 driver wasn't good enough or selling enough (I thought it was a terrific success)?  Very confused. I still like the original G400 driver and will likely buy one this spring but this is really confusing. Even Crossfield was confused by this release.


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 10:01 AM

The standard G400 is a 440cc head while the Max is 460.
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Posted 29 January 2018 - 10:07 AM

If it's a Ping "G" series driver you know it is going to be very forgiving and high performance, overall.

Seems to me the G400 was built around the premise that Ping knows how to make a very, very forgiving and high launching driver even at 440cc and by shrinking it down you pick up a smidge of clubhead speed and therefore distance. It will still be very forgiving but not the very utmost.

Now with the G Max driver they take the same design, bump it back to 460cc for those who are willing to give up that tiny bit of extra speed potential in exchange for an additional small amount of forgiveness.

I'd expect the G Max to be as high MOI, low-and-back CG as any driver on the market while also producing very good clubhead speed potential and legal max smash factors over a fairly large area of the face. Sounds good to me! Not sure I'd really want to give a little of that up in search of a couple extra yards, possibly.
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Posted 29 January 2018 - 10:24 AM

Yap, the advertising will be the 440 head on the g400 should offer more club head speed with its smaller profile and comparable forgiveness to past Ping drivers. Specializing in LST and SFT for tunes performance.
With the 460 max offering ultimate forgiveness with the forged face creating more ball speed and a comfortable look for golfers of all skill.

Now I will say if they had do overs they’d condense these much like the 917 has a d2 and d3 head. With the removable weight able to perform the task of draw or fade bias. I don’t think Ping particularly likes having 4 drivers to choose from but I don’t think they anticipated people missing the 460 head. In my opinion if you want a G400 max just get the standard G model.

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 10:33 AM

I don't think the MAX is for high HC only, as a few pro's have already put it in the bag. With a bigger head, it's slightly more forgiving, and will also likely spin a bit more.

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 12:14 PM

I started a thread about this topic the other day.  Maybe its just two different approaches for obtaining great results.  The standard version allows for faster club head speed because it's smaller and more aerodynamic.  The Max may drag a little more aerodynamically because it's larger, but it makes up for it by being super forgiving across the entire face.  For me, I would go with forgiveness over speed, as long as they sound and feel exactly the same.  I love the way the standard g400 sounds and feels as compared to my g30.  I'm hoping the max version sounds/feels just like the standard version.

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 12:30 PM

Is Ping now joining the release pace of Callaway and TM that so many are so dead against? ;-)
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Posted 29 January 2018 - 12:31 PM

What I don't understand is how the SFT head is not 460cc. If you are buying the straight flight model, surely you'd want it to be as forgiving as possible, right?
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Posted 29 January 2018 - 12:34 PM

 Golfingfanatic, on 29 January 2018 - 12:31 PM, said:

What I don't understand is how the SFT head is not 460cc. If you are buying the straight flight model, surely you'd want it to be as forgiving as possible, right?

Great point.  And the Max is not available in a 12 degree head either (although they say it launches higher than the standard head so no need for 12 degree loft).

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 12:36 PM

I think maybe it has something to do with push back from consumers that thought the smaller head of the standard G400 wasn't forgiving enough, when in fact it was the most forgiving driver available.  So they came out with the Max version to tie into the G700 irons and allow those who want an extremely forgiving driver an option.  It might just be a perception thing for some people that don't understand that the original was already super forgiving with the added bonus of potentially being faster too.  Just a thought.


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 12:51 PM

 B-Nads, on 29 January 2018 - 12:30 PM, said:

Is Ping now joining the release pace of Callaway and TM that so many are so dead against? ;-)

Like I said in another thread, the whole industry is in a race to the bottom and even old-school stalwarts like Ping and Titleist are joining in. Everyone's got to get down in the mud and wrestle with TM/Callaway on their terms now. Nobody is above the fray.
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Posted 29 January 2018 - 01:15 PM

Seems to me to be a proper scam. By advertising the smaller head was their most forgiving etc etc then a few months later bring out the Max.
This must have been in the design stages at the same time as the standard 400.

I'm surprised they didn't names it G700 to match the irons.

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 01:40 PM

I heard they had a engineering/manufacturing issue with the weight in the Max which caused it to be delayed by a couple of months.

I want to be upset, but the G400 is such a good club.  I'm hitting the ball further and straighter than ever while getting 2 to 3 mph over the G.

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 02:21 PM

 Lefty2021, on 29 January 2018 - 10:24 AM, said:

Now I will say if they had do overs they'd condense these much like the 917 has a d2 and d3 head. With the removable weight able to perform the task of draw or fade bias. I don't think Ping particularly likes having 4 drivers to choose from but I don't think they anticipated people missing the 460 head. In my opinion if you want a G400 max just get the standard G model.

It wouldn't shock me if the manufacturing costs of having 4 different heads with fewer moveable parts is actually cheaper than two heads with moveable parts.
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Posted 29 January 2018 - 02:29 PM

Good review of the Max. I ordered one yesterday. Currently gaming a G30.

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 03:20 PM

 jimb6golf, on 29 January 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

I was really excited when the G400 driver came out, with it's faster speed and extreme forgiveness.  Now they have come out with the Max version. At first I thought this was similar in thought to the old G Max irons that came out a couple of years ago - they were meant for extreme forgiveness for higher handicap players.  But now I'm not so sure about the driver.  Is it meant for higher handicap players or are they saying the G400 driver wasn't good enough or selling enough (I thought it was a terrific success)?  Very confused. I still like the original G400 driver and will likely buy one this spring but this is really confusing. Even Crossfield was confused by this release.
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Posted 29 January 2018 - 09:01 PM

 Mr. Wolfe, on 29 January 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

Good review of the Max. I ordered one yesterday. Currently gaming a G30.

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 09:10 PM

 Double Gee, on 29 January 2018 - 01:15 PM, said:

Seems to me to be a proper scam. By advertising the smaller head was their most forgiving etc etc then a few months later bring out the Max.
This must have been in the design stages at the same time as the standard 400.

I'm surprised they didn't names it G700 to match the irons.

It's not only their most forgiving, the G400 was the most forgiving on the market, and at 440cc. Enter the Max - the feel/sound are not as sweet according to all in the Max.

Twists less than the Epic on off-center hits - noticeably.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 03:51 AM

Do you guys think Ping could do a trade in program for the G400 heads if you are better fit for the G400max? I think a lot of amateurs will be a better fit for a more forgiving driver then a less forgiving driver.


I feel a bit let down by Ping, got my 445cc G400 head late last fall when it arrived to retail stores at my location, got a 2 rounds in with it and then came winter and closed all the courses. Now I have a  2 round old driver in my bag that has already been replaced by a better product. Lets face it, 460CC option should have been offered from the get go for G400 lineup, IMO this late release was only a marketing move to counter Taylormade / Callaway at the time of their 2018 launch.

Really disappointing that Ping had to choose this route, and letting the early adopters down that tend to be the most loyal. Will look into Rogue if Ping is doing nothing to fix this situation.
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:57 AM

Haha. They came out with maximum aerodynamics, speed, slightly smaller look, because people had been wanting that. Then they had some feedback about max MOI regardless of size. So now they have that option. And people are upset. OK.


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Posted 30 January 2018 - 08:55 AM

I am an high handicapper and really in love with my G400 SFT 12*. I like the smaller head, it gives me a feeling of better control and I wouldn't change it for any other driver on the market.

I have hit with regularity some in my one (and some months) year golf experience, e.g. Big Bertha, G 25, Taylormade RBZ and none gave me the control and confidence of my beloved one.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:04 AM

View Postkepeollie, on 29 January 2018 - 09:01 PM, said:

View PostMr. Wolfe, on 29 January 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

Good review of the Max. I ordered one yesterday. Currently gaming a G30.

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That's a good idea - I should have thought of that.

To me, the G400 vs. G400 Max truly comes down to which head size you prefer. I tend to like larger heads so I ordered the Max. Like others have said though, it would be slightly annoying to buy the G400 recently only to find that you prefer the Max.

I have heard that the Max doesn't sound as good and others thought it sounded the same. To me personally, sound is down on the list of priorities well below "hitting fairways". If I could find a driver that dropped my HDCP a stroke and it "oinked" every time I hit it, I would probably game it. lol

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:22 AM

View Postnova6868, on 30 January 2018 - 06:57 AM, said:

Haha. ...now they have that option. And people are upset. OK.

I think a lot of G400 owners wouldn't have had any issues with this "marketing first" release cycle if MAX would have been released same time they released the G400 line up, hell, to me even a hint of a 460cc version coming out just few months later would have definitely gotten me to wait and have a proper fitting after all head options for 2018 are on the table.
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:39 AM

I've never heard of any company doing exchange programs for a new product. But if you feel so strongly about it take it up with the shop you bought it from, see if they'll offer you a nice trade in. But in the future, refrain from buying things at the end of the season.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 11:05 AM

View PostHedgehog, on 30 January 2018 - 03:51 AM, said:

Do you guys think Ping could do a trade in program for the G400 heads if you are better fit for the G400max? I think a lot of amateurs will be a better fit for a more forgiving driver then a less forgiving driver.


I feel a bit let down by Ping, got my 445cc G400 head late last fall when it arrived to retail stores at my location, got a 2 rounds in with it and then came winter and closed all the courses. Now I have a  2 round old driver in my bag that has already been replaced by a better product. Lets face it, 460CC option should have been offered from the get go for G400 lineup, IMO this late release was only a marketing move to counter Taylormade / Callaway at the time of their 2018 launch.

Really disappointing that Ping had to choose this route, and letting the early adopters down that tend to be the most loyal. Will look into Rogue if Ping is doing nothing to fix this situation.

The 440 is forgiving enough... if you hit it well... why does it matter and what makes it inferior to the MAX? Just because it's 20cc smaller? That is minut.. and it was already coveted as the most forgiving 440 head made. The G400 is also known to feel and sound much better then the MAX. Lastly, better players typically like to look down on a smaller footprint (with a good potential for a slightly higher club head speed).

The MAX is not for everyone... it was most likely created for higher HC.. which it must be surprising that several Top Pros chose to game it over the LS and G400. As a wrxer... you should have assumed that Ping would be releasing a 460CC version in the future. In conclusion, if you prefer a 460cc head, you probably knew that you shouldn't have bought the 440... but bought it anyways.

So, let's go over again how Ping messed up?

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 12:28 PM

They messed up because they should have released both options at the same time.  How would you high SS players feel if they released the standard G400 without any hint of an LS model and then the LS model came out less than 6 months after you took the plunge on the standard model?  Or let's reverse it.  Let's say that the 460 head came out and you bought it only I find out that less than 6 months later they came out with a 445cc model of the same club?   It's the same product family, which is why people are upset.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 12:34 PM

View Poste-man, on 30 January 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

They messed up because they should have released both options at the same time.  How would you high SS players feel if they released the standard G400 without any hint of an LS model and then the LS model came out less than 6 months after you took the plunge on the standard model?  Or let's reverse it.  Let's say that the 460 head came out and you bought it only I find out that less than 6 months later they came out with a 445cc model of the same club?   It's the same product family, which is why people are upset.
Only thing I can think of is they wanted to try to time "both" markets, meaning a release in the late summer/fall and then also to match up when a lot of the other OEM stuff is available like TM, Cally, etc in the Feb time frame.

What's just odd to me is they are marketing it as the most forgiving ever yadda yadda, but there's no draw option...and It's also going into a lot of PGA bags. It's almost like they figured how to quickly improve on the std G400 but need to market it as 'different' so they don't cannibalize their own market share.
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 01:27 PM

View Poste-man, on 30 January 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

They messed up because they should have released both options at the same time.  How would you high SS players feel if they released the standard G400 without any hint of an LS model and then the LS model came out less than 6 months after you took the plunge on the standard model?  Or let's reverse it.  Let's say that the 460 head came out and you bought it only I find out that less than 6 months later they came out with a 445cc model of the same club?   It's the same product family, which is why people are upset.

You need to play to your strengths and what you're most comfortable with. If you normally play a 460cc head, then wouldn't common-sense be to wait for a 460 CC head and not settle on a 440?
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 01:41 PM

View Postjonn443, on 30 January 2018 - 01:27 PM, said:

View Poste-man, on 30 January 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

They messed up because they should have released both options at the same time.  How would you high SS players feel if they released the standard G400 without any hint of an LS model and then the LS model came out less than 6 months after you took the plunge on the standard model?  Or let's reverse it.  Let's say that the 460 head came out and you bought it only I find out that less than 6 months later they came out with a 445cc model of the same club?   It's the same product family, which is why people are upset.

You need to play to your strengths and what you're most comfortable with. If you normally play a 460cc head, then wouldn't common-sense be to wait for a 460 CC head and not settle on a 440?

Exactly the point.  You would wait for a 460 head but there was no indication that it was coming when Ping probably knew that it was.  

I have no horse in this race.  I am getting a g400.  I will compare both, see which one I hit best, and then I'll decide.  I think what people are upset about is that because the max is coming out 6 months after the standard came out, for those who took the plunge, they don't have that option.

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 01:57 PM

View Poste-man, on 30 January 2018 - 01:41 PM, said:

View Postjonn443, on 30 January 2018 - 01:27 PM, said:

View Poste-man, on 30 January 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

They messed up because they should have released both options at the same time.  How would you high SS players feel if they released the standard G400 without any hint of an LS model and then the LS model came out less than 6 months after you took the plunge on the standard model?  Or let's reverse it.  Let's say that the 460 head came out and you bought it only I find out that less than 6 months later they came out with a 445cc model of the same club?   It's the same product family, which is why people are upset.

You need to play to your strengths and what you're most comfortable with. If you normally play a 460cc head, then wouldn't common-sense be to wait for a 460 CC head and not settle on a 440?

Exactly the point.  You would wait for a 460 head but there was no indication that it was coming when Ping probably knew that it was.  

I have no horse in this race.  I am getting a g400.  I will compare both, see which one I hit best, and then I'll decide.  I think what people are upset about is that because the max is coming out 6 months after the standard came out, for those who took the plunge, they don't have that option.

Your point is valid, but at the same time there is always going to be something different.

To me, this mimics the situation with the G30... standard model comes out, then a few months later the LST comes out.

I know that people want to be able to try all possible options.   But if someone that bought a G400 is now saying that if they'd have known about it they would have bought a max instead, it suggests that the 400 that was bought to begin with wasn't a good fit.  Why buy the G400 to begin with then when there are other (non Ping) options out there?  

I don't think it's intended to be 'better' than the G400, its for people for whom the earlier 400s were not a good fit and need higher launch and more spin.

Agree with those saying they should have called it a G700.   Of course that would turn off a different segment...


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