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The Biggest mistake people make when discussing hip turn of Hogan


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#1 Harleyweedwhacks

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 07:40 PM

In his five lessons, he discussed that the hips shouldn't turn as much as being taught in those days. However, people mistake this for restricting his hip turn. He did not ever restrict his hip turn. His shoulders started the motion, but as his shoulders went around, that pulled his hips with it. He had a full and free hip turn in his backswing, with a heel lift with the longer clubs. Look at video of him before his wreck, and you can obviously see that he allows the leading heel to rise with his driver and long woods and irons, as well as having a free hip turn.

People talk all the time about how his hip turn was restricted, but if he were to do this, he'd have back problems. Severe back problems, like today's modern player. I see many a college player with ice and heat on their backs, because they are told to restrict the hip turn. It's complete nonsense, and Hogan never did it.

If you're to emulate Hogan, turn your hips on the backswing. Yes, the shoulders outturn the hips, but in general the hips turn a good ways. And, anatomically (I know this, because I've studied how the body works), the leading heel should rise a bit on the backswing. Not a pivot of the heel, but through the knee flexing, the heel comes off the ground like a lift, rather than pivot.


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Posted 24 March 2018 - 05:25 PM

I’m not so sure he started his takeaway with his shoulders. I believe the reason he was an advocate of the one piece take away was because he started the takeaway with his lower body which made hit upper body go along for the ride.

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 05:59 PM

What Hogan did is written in plain English in 5L. In other words, hands lead/direct the triangle(arms & shoulders), pivot accommodates.  

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:48 PM

View PostAlexCzervic, on 12 May 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

What Hogan did is written in plain English in 5L. In other words, hands lead/direct the triangle(arms & shoulders), pivot accommodates.  

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Exactly. So why interpret the exact opposite?
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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:52 PM

View Postoscar@wrx, on 16 May 2018 - 11:48 PM, said:

View PostAlexCzervic, on 12 May 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

What Hogan did is written in plain English in 5L. In other words, hands lead/direct the triangle(arms & shoulders), pivot accommodates.  

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Exactly. So why interpret the exact opposite?
His backsswing is very fast though. So the sequencing could look like something else

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:21 PM

I stil donít understand why pinpointing what starts the swing matters. It can feel different for everyone.

It seems to be a meaningless concept anyway. Yet thereís pages of discussion about how the hands not the arms or vice versa start the swing, especially when discussing MDLT.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:40 PM

View PostAlexCzervic, on 12 May 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

What Hogan did is written in plain English in 5L. In other words, hands lead/direct the triangle(arms & shoulders), pivot accommodates.  

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When Hogan wrote about his swing, he wrote about what he felt.  While he knew more about his swing than most do, what he felt may not have been what he actually did.  I've seen a few videos (sorry, can't locate them right now)  that show that at least a few of the aspects of his actual swing were significantly different from what he recommended.

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 04:51 PM

Forget what it looks like, your kinematic mind will perform far better without any false conclusions from you.  Right arm structure, think about moving hands, pivot accommodates.  After some pivot training youíll have an athletic, freewheeling swing, an idea in motion.

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Edited by AlexCzervic, 20 May 2018 - 05:12 PM.


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Posted 27 May 2018 - 10:20 PM

i think the right knee kick in is how he restricts his hip turn. I don't think he intentionally tried to not turn his hip. That would be bad for his back.

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 01:40 AM

View PostWinKiePie, on 27 May 2018 - 10:20 PM, said:

i think the right knee kick in is how he restricts his hip turn. I don't think he intentionally tried to not turn his hip. That would be bad for his back.

I think he really actively restricts his hips with both right and left feet, but via what you said with weight or pressure on inside of right foot, knee and leg. If you restrict hips without this, your back would ache. I personally have tried restricting hips both with and without and my lower back had a painful episode without the inner right foot thing. As soon as I had it, no pain. This is even with active hip turn as told in 5L

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:30 PM

View Postoscar@wrx, on 24 June 2018 - 01:40 AM, said:

View PostWinKiePie, on 27 May 2018 - 10:20 PM, said:

i think the right knee kick in is how he restricts his hip turn. I don't think he intentionally tried to not turn his hip. That would be bad for his back.

I think he really actively restricts his hips with both right and left feet, but via what you said with weight or pressure on inside of right foot, knee and leg. If you restrict hips without this, your back would ache. I personally have tried restricting hips both with and without and my lower back had a painful episode without the inner right foot thing. As soon as I had it, no pain. This is even with active hip turn as told in 5L

You are correct sir. I've tried it for myself. Hmm.. why is that? I have zero knowledge on bio-mechanics.

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