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Moonwood Golf - 25*, 38", and yes, I'm serious.


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#1 rawdog

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Posted 19 January 2018 - 11:44 PM

Note: This post is not in jest, and I'm not associated with the company.

Saw this today and was intrigued. Seems like it checks a lot of the boxes for a playable club. Low COG, short shaft, decent loft, lots of mass.

At $179, I'd rather have an F7 hybrid, but since I play SL irons at 36.5", this might be a decent club to give a legit shot.

Does anyone have experience with this?

In a world of infomercial products, this doesn't seem toooooo gimmicky, does it? ;)

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Edited by rawdog, 19 January 2018 - 11:45 PM.

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3W = 15*
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7W = 23*

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6I = 24*
7I = 29*
8I = 34*
9I = 39*
PW = 44*
GW = 49*
SW = 54*
LW = 59*

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Posted 19 January 2018 - 11:49 PM

looks like a cleveland hi-bore
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Posted 19 January 2018 - 11:52 PM

View Postbladehunter, on 19 January 2018 - 11:49 PM, said:

looks like a cleveland hi-bore

Face-on view looks like an Adams-style hybrid. Ie, striking face wraps around the toe.

Looks decent quality. Modern yet not tacky.
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PW = 44*
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:03 AM

For $179, Id try something else and cut the length if you want it shorter.

Or wait for these to show up on eBay for way less.
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:11 AM

View PostSubaruWRX, on 20 January 2018 - 12:03 AM, said:

For $179, I'd try something else and cut the length if you want it shorter.

Or wait for these to show up on eBay for way less.

One Length F8 Hybrid is also on the radar. But that's $199. Definitely waiting for used versions of either.

Side note... unless it's an outright lie and fabricated results in the video, the former long-drive champ hit a Moonwood on Trackman with 100+ mph SS that carried 217 and had an apex of over 141 feet. Descent angle was 59*.

I'd be around 92 SS at that length.

Moonballs for days, baby!

Edited by rawdog, 20 January 2018 - 12:11 AM.

Cobra F7 Driver
HZRDUS Yellow, 8.5* @44.5"

In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue @41.5"
3W = 15*
5W = 19*
7W = 23*

Cobra F7 One Length Irons
Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
6I = 24*
7I = 29*
8I = 34*
9I = 39*
PW = 44*
GW = 49*
SW = 54*
LW = 59*

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:27 AM

Seriously, no.

A super oversized hybrid or a cut down 9-wood, neither seem like a good idea if you're able to launch a normal club.  And good luck controlling that in the wind!
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:06 AM

View Postrawdog, on 20 January 2018 - 12:11 AM, said:

View PostSubaruWRX, on 20 January 2018 - 12:03 AM, said:

For $179, I'd try something else and cut the length if you want it shorter.

Or wait for these to show up on eBay for way less.

One Length F8 Hybrid is also on the radar. But that's $199. Definitely waiting for used versions of either.

Side note... unless it's an outright lie and fabricated results in the video, the former long-drive champ hit a Moonwood on Trackman with 100+ mph SS that carried 217 and had an apex of over 141 feet. Descent angle was 59*.

I'd be around 92 SS at that length.

Moonballs for days, baby!

That's about a 4 iron length so long as you are using one of the more forgivable 4 irons or driving irons out there these days.
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:37 AM

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 08:24 AM

View Postrawdog, on 19 January 2018 - 11:44 PM, said:

Note: This post is not in jest, and I'm not associated with the company.

Saw this today and was intrigued. Seems like it checks a lot of the boxes for a playable club. Low COG, short shaft, decent loft, lots of mass.

At $179, I'd rather have an F7 hybrid, but since I play SL irons at 36.5", this might be a decent club to give a legit shot.

Does anyone have experience with this?

In a world of infomercial products, this doesn't seem toooooo gimmicky, does it? ;)

https://www.moonwoodgolf.com/
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 08:34 AM

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 08:43 AM

Theres one born every minute.  People will buy these and say they are awesome (which they might be), but those things are fugly.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 10:08 AM

View Postbrkuck, on 20 January 2018 - 08:43 AM, said:

Theres one born every minute.  People will buy these and say they are awesome (which they might be), but those things are fugly.

Not sure if you're implying I'm a sucker...

It's not that it's a magic club. It's that it has a lot of elements that clubfitters on WRX and elsewhere recommend, including a shorter shaft.

Feel free to merge threads so Swisstrader doesn't have an aneurism.

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Edited by rawdog, 20 January 2018 - 10:08 AM.

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In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
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3W = 15*
5W = 19*
7W = 23*

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Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
6I = 24*
7I = 29*
8I = 34*
9I = 39*
PW = 44*
GW = 49*
SW = 54*
LW = 59*

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:16 AM

This is just an updated version of The Perfect Club that was sold 15 years ago, but that’s not a bad thing, the Perfect Club is actually a great performing club.  As you said Rawdog, you play single length irons, so a hybrid with a shorter shaft and more upright lie angle might work great for you.  One improvement the MoonWood  looks to have over the Perfect Club is less offset.

I have a Perfect Club that I put back in my bag last fall as I struggled with my Adams dhy 20*.  It is so easy to hit long, high, soft landing shots.  And with the upright lie angle, I’ve been practicing with it as a chipper too.   It might conjure up images of Peter Kessler saying creepily “I guarantee you...it’s perfect” but it actually works.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:32 AM

If those clubs we see on infomercials were real game changers, we would be hearing a lot more about them. The fact that we don't seems to be a message in and of itself. Given the money the major manufacturers put in R&D, it's hard to imagine they wouldn't have made those same discoveries we see touted on the infomercials.

For example, the GX-7 driver. These guys pick one up and all of a sudden they are 20 yards longer and finding the middle of the fairway? I don't buy it (pun intended). Same swing as with their other driver, and all of a sudden they become driving machines? No club is that forgiving, and if it were one of the OEMs would have no doubt discovered the technology that makes that so.
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:48 AM

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

If those clubs we see on infomercials were real game changers, we would be hearing a lot more about them. The fact that we don't seems to be a message in and of itself. Given the money the major manufacturers put in R&D, it's hard to imagine they wouldn't have made those same discoveries we see touted on the infomercials.

For example, the GX-7 driver. These guys pick one up and all of a sudden they are 20 yards longer and finding the middle of the fairway? I don't buy it (pun intended). Same swing as with their other driver, and all of a sudden they become driving machines? No club is that forgiving, and if it were one of the OEMs would have no doubt discovered the technology that makes that so.

Aren't there a lot of posts by well-respected club designers and techs that basically express befuddlement about the clubs that major OEMs make? Ie, shaft length, loft, etc.

It's not about "discovering" some secret. I'm of the opinion the characteristics of (some of) these clubs work. Some are probably trash.

But, it's the same reason guys don't want to play a 12.5* driver or a 43.5" driver, or a 17* 4 wood or a 6 hybrid.

The guys on tour don't. Or they aren't educated enough about why a certain club the pros play doesn't work for them. The GX7 isn't some new tech. It's a driver that's 43" and 14* of loft. It's the length and loft a lot of respected clubfitters on here would tell you is a better fit for most slow SS players than an M2 at 45.5" and 9.5*.

So, yeah, a guy would probably see gains because if he were fitted, the club would look more like a GX7 than the M2 I described.

It's like sneaking so your grandpa's pill into some pudding so he'll take it.

Edited by rawdog, 20 January 2018 - 11:49 AM.

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HZRDUS Yellow, 8.5* @44.5"

In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue @41.5"
3W = 15*
5W = 19*
7W = 23*

Cobra F7 One Length Irons
Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
6I = 24*
7I = 29*
8I = 34*
9I = 39*
PW = 44*
GW = 49*
SW = 54*
LW = 59*

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:56 AM

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

If those clubs we see on infomercials were real game changers, we would be hearing a lot more about them. The fact that we don't seems to be a message in and of itself. Given the money the major manufacturers put in R&D, it's hard to imagine they wouldn't have made those same discoveries we see touted on the infomercials.

For example, the GX-7 driver. These guys pick one up and all of a sudden they are 20 yards longer and finding the middle of the fairway? I don't buy it (pun intended). Same swing as with their other driver, and all of a sudden they become driving machines? No club is that forgiving, and if it were one of the OEMs would have no doubt discovered the technology that makes that so.

I'm not all that surprised at the results, Sean.  Take a handful of golfers that are playing drivers with too little loft and too long a shaft that is a poor match to their swing; put a big headed, strong three wood in their hands with a better shaft fit and you will get those kind of results when hitting off the tee.  There was a reason that the brassie/2W was often the tee club of choice back in the day -- easier to elevate and more consistent.
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM

Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:13 PM

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?

I think that they are, but it's being marketed under the guise of the custom fit driver.  Loft up, get the correct shaft for your swing and then get the adjustments set to maximize your numbers.  It's just a newer technologically advanced solution to an old problem with a higher profit margin built in.  ;)

Mind you, they have to be open to the idea.  I have a buddy who is playing an old TiSI Tec clone driver that a club builder made for him 20 years ago.  He is absolutely convinced that he has to play a 9.5° driver with a stiff shaft.  Nothing else will do and as a result he is miserable with that club in his hands.  He would be the perfect candidate for that XG-7 commercial!

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:15 PM

It’s like viagra. If you can’t get it up with this.........
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:16 PM

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?

Maybe TomWishon could chime in. He has shared bits and pieces on this subject.

My educated guess would be that the messaging would be difficult to manage. You'd be subdividing the consumer market into high SS and low SS players, and then having polar opposite messages for each.

Couple that with a golf populace that (sorry to say) is woefully uneducated, and you get a much more profitable "one size fits all" approach.

I've always said the golf equipment market operates out of equilibrium because of the market failure known as asymmetric information. The consumer is easily duped.

Once that education gap closes (we're getting there), clubs like GX7 or Moon-whatever will be seen less as gimmicks and could even become legitimate players in the market. Right now, the market really is skewed toward big OEMs because people buy what they sell without question.

Just take a stroll around GolfWRX and you'll see it's full of misinformation and old wives tales (not that I need to tell you). I became a much more educated consumer because of this site, but we are reaching the niche of a niche.

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7W = 23*

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Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
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7I = 29*
8I = 34*
9I = 39*
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:17 PM

View Postdlygrisse, on 20 January 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

It’s like viagra. If you can’t get it up with this.........



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HZRDUS Yellow, 8.5* @44.5"

In1Zone Single Length Fairway Woods
Graffaloy ProLaunch Axis Blue @41.5"
3W = 15*
5W = 19*
7W = 23*

Cobra F7 One Length Irons
Nippon Modus 105 Stiff @ 36.5"
6I = 24*
7I = 29*
8I = 34*
9I = 39*
PW = 44*
GW = 49*
SW = 54*
LW = 59*

Odyssey #9 HT Metal X Milled @33.5"

Maxfli SoftFli

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:27 PM

View Postrawdog, on 20 January 2018 - 12:16 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?

Maybe TomWishon could chime in. He has shared bits and pieces on this subject.

My educated guess would be that the messaging would be difficult to manage. You'd be subdividing the consumer market into high SS and low SS players, and then having polar opposite messages for each.

Couple that with a golf populace that (sorry to say) is woefully uneducated, and you get a much more profitable "one size fits all" approach.

I've always said the golf equipment market operates out of equilibrium because of the market failure known as asymmetric information. The consumer is easily duped.

Once that education gap closes (we're getting there), clubs like GX7 or Moon-whatever will be seen less as gimmicks and could even become legitimate players in the market. Right now, the market really is skewed toward big OEMs because people buy what they sell without question.

Just take a stroll around GolfWRX and you'll see it's full of misinformation and old wives tales (not that I need to tell you). I became a much more educated consumer because of this site, but we are reaching the niche of a niche.

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#23 Sean2

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:34 PM

View Postscomac2002, on 20 January 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?

I think that they are, but it's being marketed under the guise of the custom fit driver.  Loft up, get the correct shaft for your swing and then get the adjustments set to maximize your numbers.  It's just a newer technologically advanced solution to an old problem with a higher profit margin built in.  ;)

Mind you, they have to be open to the idea.  I have a buddy who is playing an old TiSI Tec clone driver that a club builder made for him 20 years ago.  He is absolutely convinced that he has to play a 9.5° driver with a stiff shaft.  Nothing else will do and as a result he is miserable with that club in his hands.  He would be the perfect candidate for that XG-7 commercial!

That reminds me of a conversation I had with a fitter a couple of years ago. A guy comes in to get fit for a driver. He hit his current driver to get a base line. After that he hit a variety of new heads and shafts but nothing was out performing his current driver. The fitter was going to recommend he just stick with his current driver and not waste any money on a new one, but then he had an idea.

He handed the fellow the driver and voila! the guy was getting a legitimate extra 20 yards. Well, the customer got all excited...and then he looked at the shaft.

It had an "L" on it.

The customer became quite indignant. He told the fitter he only plays stiff shafts, and would never play a club that had a ladies flex shaft. So, this customer insisted on purchasing a new driver, which offered no performance enhancements over his old one, and he left around 20 yards on the table because the shaft had an "L" on it.

Hell, I would play pink "Hello Kitty" shafts if they gave me an extra 20 yards. lol
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 12:39 PM

View Postrawdog, on 20 January 2018 - 12:16 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?

Maybe TomWishon could chime in. He has shared bits and pieces on this subject.

My educated guess would be that the messaging would be difficult to manage. You'd be subdividing the consumer market into high SS and low SS players, and then having polar opposite messages for each.

Couple that with a golf populace that (sorry to say) is woefully uneducated, and you get a much more profitable "one size fits all" approach.

I've always said the golf equipment market operates out of equilibrium because of the market failure known as asymmetric information. The consumer is easily duped.

Once that education gap closes (we're getting there), clubs like GX7 or Moon-whatever will be seen less as gimmicks and could even become legitimate players in the market. Right now, the market really is skewed toward big OEMs because people buy what they sell without question.

Just take a stroll around GolfWRX and you'll see it's full of misinformation and old wives tales (not that I need to tell you). I became a much more educated consumer because of this site, but we are reaching the niche of a niche.

I was thinking about that very thing. I did notice in the GX-7 and that a lot of seniors were hitting that driver. I don't know why it couldn't be marketed by an OEM to that segment of the golfing population.

I am a slow speed player and I wouldn't be offended if an OEM offered clubs for just that segment, and advertised them as such. I would actually be quite happy about it.
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 01:18 PM

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

View Postrawdog, on 20 January 2018 - 12:16 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?

Maybe TomWishon could chime in. He has shared bits and pieces on this subject.

My educated guess would be that the messaging would be difficult to manage. You'd be subdividing the consumer market into high SS and low SS players, and then having polar opposite messages for each.

Couple that with a golf populace that (sorry to say) is woefully uneducated, and you get a much more profitable "one size fits all" approach.

I've always said the golf equipment market operates out of equilibrium because of the market failure known as asymmetric information. The consumer is easily duped.

Once that education gap closes (we're getting there), clubs like GX7 or Moon-whatever will be seen less as gimmicks and could even become legitimate players in the market. Right now, the market really is skewed toward big OEMs because people buy what they sell without question.

Just take a stroll around GolfWRX and you'll see it's full of misinformation and old wives tales (not that I need to tell you). I became a much more educated consumer because of this site, but we are reaching the niche of a niche.

I was thinking about that very thing. I did notice in the GX-7 and that a lot of seniors were hitting that driver. I don't know why it couldn't be marketed by an OEM to that segment of the golfing population.

I am a slow speed player and I wouldn't be offended if an OEM offered clubs for just that segment, and advertised them as such. I would actually be quite happy about it.
I don't think theres money to be made form our segment of the market. OEM's look at us as if to say we're not worth the investment because we buy equipment and hold on to it for long periods of time or we'll be dead in six months and dead men don't spend money. :taunt:

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 02:02 PM

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

View Postscomac2002, on 20 January 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?

I think that they are, but it's being marketed under the guise of the custom fit driver.  Loft up, get the correct shaft for your swing and then get the adjustments set to maximize your numbers.  It's just a newer technologically advanced solution to an old problem with a higher profit margin built in.  ;)

Mind you, they have to be open to the idea.  I have a buddy who is playing an old TiSI Tec clone driver that a club builder made for him 20 years ago.  He is absolutely convinced that he has to play a 9.5° driver with a stiff shaft.  Nothing else will do and as a result he is miserable with that club in his hands.  He would be the perfect candidate for that XG-7 commercial!

That reminds me of a conversation I had with a fitter a couple of years ago. A guy comes in to get fit for a driver. He hit his current driver to get a base line. After that he hit a variety of new heads and shafts but nothing was out performing his current driver. The fitter was going to recommend he just stick with his current driver and not waste any money on a new one, but then he had an idea.

He handed the fellow the driver and voila! the guy was getting a legitimate extra 20 yards. Well, the customer got all excited...and then he looked at the shaft.

It had an "L" on it.

The customer became quite indignant. He told the fitter he only plays stiff shafts, and would never play a club that had a ladies flex shaft. So, this customer insisted on purchasing a new driver, which offered no performance enhancements over his old one, and he left around 20 yards on the table because the shaft had an "L" on it.

Hell, I would play pink "Hello Kitty" shafts if they gave me an extra 20 yards. lol

So would I and so does another buddy of mine.  "Walter" used to winter in Panama City and the last year he and Isabelle were down there he walked into a green grass pro shop wondering about a new driver.  Now Walter was still using his Callaway GBB from the 90's.  It was 9.5° loft and had a stiff Aldila shaft in it.  His swing speed had dropped off enough that he didn't even bother to use the club anymore preferring to hit his 3W from the tee.

The proprietor of the shop happened to be there that day and he said to Walter, I've got just the thing you need.  Follow me into my workshop.  In Walter goes and sitting there on the shelf is a 14° head from a Ping G2 driver, ladies version.  The shop owner says I've made a few of these up for guys like you.  I can shaft it up with an Aldila NV 55 shaft in senior and you should be good to go.  So that's what they did; a high lofted ladies driver head with a nice pink NV shaft and $100 later Walter was back to using a driver again and getting the ball out to 200 yards on occasion.  Not bad for an 80 year old, but you have to be able to park the ego!
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:07 PM

It is unique in that its a fwy head shape, more of a Adams hybrid shaped face at 4i length.  Simply cutting down a fwy wood at similar loft isn't a good idea as there won't be enough weight to play at 38", also the lie could be off significantly.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:09 PM

View Postscomac2002, on 20 January 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

View Postscomac2002, on 20 January 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?

I think that they are, but it's being marketed under the guise of the custom fit driver.  Loft up, get the correct shaft for your swing and then get the adjustments set to maximize your numbers.  It's just a newer technologically advanced solution to an old problem with a higher profit margin built in.  ;)

Mind you, they have to be open to the idea.  I have a buddy who is playing an old TiSI Tec clone driver that a club builder made for him 20 years ago.  He is absolutely convinced that he has to play a 9.5° driver with a stiff shaft.  Nothing else will do and as a result he is miserable with that club in his hands.  He would be the perfect candidate for that XG-7 commercial!

That reminds me of a conversation I had with a fitter a couple of years ago. A guy comes in to get fit for a driver. He hit his current driver to get a base line. After that he hit a variety of new heads and shafts but nothing was out performing his current driver. The fitter was going to recommend he just stick with his current driver and not waste any money on a new one, but then he had an idea.

He handed the fellow the driver and voila! the guy was getting a legitimate extra 20 yards. Well, the customer got all excited...and then he looked at the shaft.

It had an "L" on it.

The customer became quite indignant. He told the fitter he only plays stiff shafts, and would never play a club that had a ladies flex shaft. So, this customer insisted on purchasing a new driver, which offered no performance enhancements over his old one, and he left around 20 yards on the table because the shaft had an "L" on it.

Hell, I would play pink "Hello Kitty" shafts if they gave me an extra 20 yards. lol

So would I and so does another buddy of mine.  "Walter" used to winter in Panama City and the last year he and Isabelle were down there he walked into a green grass pro shop wondering about a new driver.  Now Walter was still using his Callaway GBB from the 90's.  It was 9.5° loft and had a stiff Aldila shaft in it.  His swing speed had dropped off enough that he didn't even bother to use the club anymore preferring to hit his 3W from the tee.

The proprietor of the shop happened to be there that day and he said to Walter, I've got just the thing you need.  Follow me into my workshop.  In Walter goes and sitting there on the shelf is a 14° head from a Ping G2 driver, ladies version.  The shop owner says I've made a few of these up for guys like you.  I can shaft it up with an Aldila NV 55 shaft in senior and you should be good to go.  So that's what they did; a high lofted ladies driver head with a nice pink NV shaft and $100 later Walter was back to using a driver again and getting the ball out to 200 yards on occasion.  Not bad for an 80 year old, but you have to be able to park the ego!

You're right about the ego. There seems to be a lot of golfers who insist on playing 8.5 degree stiff flex drivers, 3 woods & 3 irons who just refuse to accept maybe that's not the clubs they should be playing. It's like they are embarrassed or afraid their buddies will give them the business if they play something that is deemed less manly. Play the clubs that work for you & give you a better score.

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:17 PM

View Post2putttom, on 20 January 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

View Postrawdog, on 20 January 2018 - 12:16 PM, said:

View PostSean2, on 20 January 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?

Maybe TomWishon could chime in. He has shared bits and pieces on this subject.

My educated guess would be that the messaging would be difficult to manage. You'd be subdividing the consumer market into high SS and low SS players, and then having polar opposite messages for each.

Couple that with a golf populace that (sorry to say) is woefully uneducated, and you get a much more profitable "one size fits all" approach.

I've always said the golf equipment market operates out of equilibrium because of the market failure known as asymmetric information. The consumer is easily duped.

Once that education gap closes (we're getting there), clubs like GX7 or Moon-whatever will be seen less as gimmicks and could even become legitimate players in the market. Right now, the market really is skewed toward big OEMs because people buy what they sell without question.

Just take a stroll around GolfWRX and you'll see it's full of misinformation and old wives tales (not that I need to tell you). I became a much more educated consumer because of this site, but we are reaching the niche of a niche.

I was thinking about that very thing. I did notice in the GX-7 and that a lot of seniors were hitting that driver. I don't know why it couldn't be marketed by an OEM to that segment of the golfing population.

I am a slow speed player and I wouldn't be offended if an OEM offered clubs for just that segment, and advertised them as such. I would actually be quite happy about it.
I don't think theres money to be made form our segment of the market. OEM's look at us as if to say we're not worth the investment because we buy equipment and hold on to it for long periods of time or we'll be dead in six months and dead men don't spend money. :taunt:

Lol! Too funny. :-)
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 03:21 PM

[quote name='scomac2002' timestamp='1516474960' post='16715482']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1516469654' post='16715164']
[quote name='scomac2002' timestamp='1516468402' post='16715088']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1516467574' post='16715032']
Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?
[/quote]

I think that they are, but it's being marketed under the guise of the custom fit driver.  Loft up, get the correct shaft for your swing and then get the adjustments set to maximize your numbers.  It's just a newer technologically advanced solution to an old problem with a higher profit margin built in.  ;)

Mind you, they have to be open to the idea.  I have a buddy who is playing an old TiSI Tec clone driver that a club builder made for him 20 years ago.  He is absolutely convinced that he has to play a 9.5° driver with a stiff shaft.  Nothing else will do and as a result he is miserable with that club in his hands.  He would be the perfect candidate for that XG-7 commercial!
[/quote]

That reminds me of a conversation I had with a fitter a couple of years ago. A guy comes in to get fit for a driver. He hit his current driver to get a base line. After that he hit a variety of new heads and shafts but nothing was out performing his current driver. The fitter was going to recommend he just stick with his current driver and not waste any money on a new one, but then he had an idea.

He handed the fellow the driver and voila! the guy was getting a legitimate extra 20 yards. Well, the customer got all excited...and then he looked at the shaft.

It had an "L" on it.

The customer became quite indignant. He told the fitter he only plays stiff shafts, and would never play a club that had a ladies flex shaft. So, this customer insisted on purchasing a new driver, which offered no performance enhancements over his old one, and he left around 20 yards on the table because the shaft had an "L" on it.

Hell, I would play pink "Hello Kitty" shafts if they gave me an extra 20 yards. lol
[/quote]

So would I and so does another buddy of mine.  "Walter" used to winter in Panama City and the last year he and Isabelle were down there he walked into a green grass pro shop wondering about a new driver.  Now Walter was still using his Callaway GBB from the 90's.  It was 9.5° loft and had a stiff Aldila shaft in it.  His swing speed had dropped off enough that he didn't even bother to use the club anymore preferring to hit his 3W from the tee.

The proprietor of the shop happened to be there that day and he said to Walter, I've got just the thing you need.  Follow me into my workshop.  In Walter goes and sitting there on the shelf is a 14° head from a Ping G2 driver, ladies version.  The shop owner says I've made a few of these up for guys like you.  I can shaft it up with an Aldila NV 55 shaft in senior and you should be good to go.  So that's what they did; a high lofted ladies driver head with a nice pink NV shaft and $100 later Walter was back to using a driver again and getting the ball out to 200 yards on occasion.  Not bad for an 80 year old, but you have to be able to park the ego!
[/quote]

Good for Walter! Nice story. :-)

Too right about parking one's ego. I see other seniors who can't drive the ball 160 yards insist on playing the middle tees instead of giving themselves a chance to score by moving up to the forward tees...no one give a sh!t what tees you play but you. lol

[quote name='JohnKHawk' timestamp='1516478991' post='16715688']
[quote name='scomac2002' timestamp='1516474960' post='16715482']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1516469654' post='16715164']
[quote name='scomac2002' timestamp='1516468402' post='16715088']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1516467574' post='16715032']
Well, you both raise very good points. However, if that's the case I wonder why an OEM wouldn't cash in on that?
[/quote]

I think that they are, but it's being marketed under the guise of the custom fit driver.  Loft up, get the correct shaft for your swing and then get the adjustments set to maximize your numbers.  It's just a newer technologically advanced solution to an old problem with a higher profit margin built in.  ;)

Mind you, they have to be open to the idea.  I have a buddy who is playing an old TiSI Tec clone driver that a club builder made for him 20 years ago.  He is absolutely convinced that he has to play a 9.5° driver with a stiff shaft.  Nothing else will do and as a result he is miserable with that club in his hands.  He would be the perfect candidate for that XG-7 commercial!
[/quote]

That reminds me of a conversation I had with a fitter a couple of years ago. A guy comes in to get fit for a driver. He hit his current driver to get a base line. After that he hit a variety of new heads and shafts but nothing was out performing his current driver. The fitter was going to recommend he just stick with his current driver and not waste any money on a new one, but then he had an idea.

He handed the fellow the driver and voila! the guy was getting a legitimate extra 20 yards. Well, the customer got all excited...and then he looked at the shaft.

It had an "L" on it.

The customer became quite indignant. He told the fitter he only plays stiff shafts, and would never play a club that had a ladies flex shaft. So, this customer insisted on purchasing a new driver, which offered no performance enhancements over his old one, and he left around 20 yards on the table because the shaft had an "L" on it.

Hell, I would play pink "Hello Kitty" shafts if they gave me an extra 20 yards. lol
[/quote]

So would I and so does another buddy of mine.  "Walter" used to winter in Panama City and the last year he and Isabelle were down there he walked into a green grass pro shop wondering about a new driver.  Now Walter was still using his Callaway GBB from the 90's.  It was 9.5° loft and had a stiff Aldila shaft in it.  His swing speed had dropped off enough that he didn't even bother to use the club anymore preferring to hit his 3W from the tee.

The proprietor of the shop happened to be there that day and he said to Walter, I've got just the thing you need.  Follow me into my workshop.  In Walter goes and sitting there on the shelf is a 14° head from a Ping G2 driver, ladies version.  The shop owner says I've made a few of these up for guys like you.  I can shaft it up with an Aldila NV 55 shaft in senior and you should be good to go.  So that's what they did; a high lofted ladies driver head with a nice pink NV shaft and $100 later Walter was back to using a driver again and getting the ball out to 200 yards on occasion.  Not bad for an 80 year old, but you have to be able to park the ego!
[/quote]

You're right about the ego. There seems to be a lot of golfers who insist on playing 8.5 degree stiff flex drivers, 3 woods & 3 irons who just refuse to accept maybe that's not the clubs they should be playing. It's like they are embarrassed or afraid their buddies will give them the business if they play something that is deemed less manly. Play the clubs that work for you & give you a better score.
[/quote]

I have always said that the scorecard doesn't care what's in your bag. :-)

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