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#1 heavy_hitter

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:15 AM

Does anyone know why they don't show the players that are signed up on the tournament page?  I would never sign my kid up not knowing the other players that have committed to the tournament.  Seems very odd to me.  Especially in the younger divisions.  I want to know if there are 5 kids playing.  If there isn't and there is no JGS ranking, I am not signing my kid up.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 11:09 AM

View Postheavy_hitter, on 17 January 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

Does anyone know why they don't show the players that are signed up on the tournament page?  I would never sign my kid up not knowing the other players that have committed to the tournament.  Seems very odd to me.  Especially in the younger divisions.  I want to know if there are 5 kids playing.  If there isn't and there is no JGS ranking, I am not signing my kid up.

Makes no sense at all. I guess it is a secret. LOL

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 11:52 AM

Sent you a PM HH.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 05:22 PM

Iím sure itís for that exact reason.  Theyíve had more trouble getting large fields the last 2 years in FL than they did a few years ago and the quality of field has gone down dramatically

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 05:51 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 05:22 PM, said:

I’m sure it’s for that exact reason.  They’ve had more trouble getting large fields the last 2 years in FL than they did a few years ago and the quality of field has gone down dramatically
That's a pretty poor response to low turnout.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 06:30 PM

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 05:22 PM, said:

Iím sure itís for that exact reason.  Theyíve had more trouble getting large fields the last 2 years in FL than they did a few years ago and the quality of field has gone down dramatically
That's a pretty poor response to low turnout.

Iím not sure they ever posted a field list in advance.  But they donít have much of a reason to post it now.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:29 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 05:22 PM, said:

I’m sure it’s for that exact reason.  They’ve had more trouble getting large fields the last 2 years in FL than they did a few years ago and the quality of field has gone down dramatically
That's a pretty poor response to low turnout.

I’m not sure they ever posted a field list in advance.  But they don’t have much of a reason to post it now.
You'd think the partnership with TW, Justin Rose, etc would bolster their credibility.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:02 PM

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 05:22 PM, said:

Iím sure itís for that exact reason.  Theyíve had more trouble getting large fields the last 2 years in FL than they did a few years ago and the quality of field has gone down dramatically
That's a pretty poor response to low turnout.

Iím not sure they ever posted a field list in advance.  But they donít have much of a reason to post it now.
You'd think the partnership with TW, Justin Rose, etc would bolster their credibility.

5-6 years ago you had top 10 players in the state playing many of the 3 day hurricane events and you could earn pretty good points.  Like a former student of mine who made it to the quarter finals of the Polo, and was in top 1/4 of the bracket at the US Jr played in a bunch of them in high school (2014 grad).

Now none of the kids I teach that are top 2,000 in JGS play in any of them.  Last year a student of mine shot a pretty low score, won, and his ranking got worse because of strength of field.   Here the Florida Junior Tour has way deeper fields and often a 15-20th place finish in those will do more than winning a hurricane ranking wise. Hurricanes are great for 10-14 year olds who have no ranking or a poor ranking.  Once they get to a certain skill level and/or age there are better and cheaper options.  But it changes, what is a top Tour now may not be down the road.  Players go where the ranking points are and the best fields are.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 09:40 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 05:22 PM, said:

I'm sure it's for that exact reason.  They've had more trouble getting large fields the last 2 years in FL than they did a few years ago and the quality of field has gone down dramatically
That's a pretty poor response to low turnout.

I'm not sure they ever posted a field list in advance.  But they don't have much of a reason to post it now.
You'd think the partnership with TW, Justin Rose, etc would bolster their credibility.

5-6 years ago you had top 10 players in the state playing many of the 3 day hurricane events and you could earn pretty good points.  Like a former student of mine who made it to the quarter finals of the Polo, and was in top 1/4 of the bracket at the US Jr played in a bunch of them in high school (2014 grad).

Now none of the kids I teach that are top 2,000 in JGS play in any of them.  Last year a student of mine shot a pretty low score, won, and his ranking got worse because of strength of field.   Here the Florida Junior Tour has way deeper fields and often a 15-20th place finish in those will do more than winning a hurricane ranking wise. Hurricanes are great for 10-14 year olds who have no ranking or a poor ranking.  Once they get to a certain skill level and/or age there are better and cheaper options.  But it changes, what is a top Tour now may not be down the road.  Players go where the ranking points are and the best fields are.

Exactly.  Very well stated.  I think the biggest thing in Florida is that you can play against better fields, on better courses, and it is $95.00 for the FJT.  Even in south Florida you can play in the SFPGA which is only regionally and play a better field with the cost of $100.00.   Hurricane plays right down the street from us at Club Med (dump of a course) and it cost $209.00.  

I think in the end, they are worse off by not posting the field, although Leezer pm'd me a way to still see it.

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Posted 26 January 2018 - 07:00 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 17 January 2018 - 05:51 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 17 January 2018 - 05:22 PM, said:

I'm sure it's for that exact reason.  They've had more trouble getting large fields the last 2 years in FL than they did a few years ago and the quality of field has gone down dramatically
That's a pretty poor response to low turnout.

I'm not sure they ever posted a field list in advance.  But they don't have much of a reason to post it now.
You'd think the partnership with TW, Justin Rose, etc would bolster their credibility.

5-6 years ago you had top 10 players in the state playing many of the 3 day hurricane events and you could earn pretty good points.  Like a former student of mine who made it to the quarter finals of the Polo, and was in top 1/4 of the bracket at the US Jr played in a bunch of them in high school (2014 grad).

Now none of the kids I teach that are top 2,000 in JGS play in any of them.  Last year a student of mine shot a pretty low score, won, and his ranking got worse because of strength of field.   Here the Florida Junior Tour has way deeper fields and often a 15-20th place finish in those will do more than winning a hurricane ranking wise. Hurricanes are great for 10-14 year olds who have no ranking or a poor ranking.  Once they get to a certain skill level and/or age there are better and cheaper options.  But it changes, what is a top Tour now may not be down the road.  Players go where the ranking points are and the best fields are.

Is that only for HJGT? Does it also count for FCWT and IJGT? In that case what does your students play, I mean there is a limited # of AJGA Events in that area

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Posted 26 January 2018 - 07:40 AM

FJTs and AJGAs are all my students play once they reach a certain level.  Then they play bigger one off events like the Southern jr, Junior Jones Cup etc

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:14 AM

HJGT is geared more towards hacks like me just trying to earn stars and get some tournament experience. It's become impossibly hard to move up on JGS via HJGT because of the plain fact that the strength of field for the bottom 65% of the field is so weak. For non-invitationals/54-hole Hurricane events you can expect the guy in 10th to shoot something like 168-70 for 36 holes. At an AJGA you're in jeopardy of being DFL with that kind of finish
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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:03 AM

View Postethanshapiro, on 15 February 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

HJGT is geared more towards hacks like me just trying to earn stars and get some tournament experience. It's become impossibly hard to move up on JGS via HJGT because of the plain fact that the strength of field for the bottom 65% of the field is so weak. For non-invitationals/54-hole Hurricane events you can expect the guy in 10th to shoot something like 168-70 for 36 holes. At an AJGA you're in jeopardy of being DFL with that kind of finish

And just a few years ago that wasnít the case. Youíd get 5-7 of the top 20 in the state playing hurricane events.  All kids ranked top 200 in JGS.   When Hurricane Tour went nationwide and FJT started increasing number of events and age groups most highly ranked kids stopped playing Hurricane events.  

5 years ago 225 would be outside the top 10 in a 54 hole event.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:45 AM

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View Postethanshapiro, on 15 February 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

HJGT is geared more towards hacks like me just trying to earn stars and get some tournament experience. It's become impossibly hard to move up on JGS via HJGT because of the plain fact that the strength of field for the bottom 65% of the field is so weak. For non-invitationals/54-hole Hurricane events you can expect the guy in 10th to shoot something like 168-70 for 36 holes. At an AJGA you're in jeopardy of being DFL with that kind of finish

And just a few years ago that wasn't the case. You'd get 5-7 of the top 20 in the state playing hurricane events.  All kids ranked top 200 in JGS.   When Hurricane Tour went nationwide and FJT started increasing number of events and age groups most highly ranked kids stopped playing Hurricane events.  

5 years ago 225 would be outside the top 10 in a 54 hole event.

That begs the question... what's the next big tour in three to five years?

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 01:11 PM

View Postleezer99, on 15 February 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View Postethanshapiro, on 15 February 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

HJGT is geared more towards hacks like me just trying to earn stars and get some tournament experience. It's become impossibly hard to move up on JGS via HJGT because of the plain fact that the strength of field for the bottom 65% of the field is so weak. For non-invitationals/54-hole Hurricane events you can expect the guy in 10th to shoot something like 168-70 for 36 holes. At an AJGA you're in jeopardy of being DFL with that kind of finish

And just a few years ago that wasn't the case. You'd get 5-7 of the top 20 in the state playing hurricane events.  All kids ranked top 200 in JGS.   When Hurricane Tour went nationwide and FJT started increasing number of events and age groups most highly ranked kids stopped playing Hurricane events.  

5 years ago 225 would be outside the top 10 in a 54 hole event.

That begs the question... what's the next big tour in three to five years?

No clue. But guessing Future Champions due to how well they are run and they are pushing to go nationwide. Chris has the support and network to make it happen I think


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 01:31 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 15 February 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View Postethanshapiro, on 15 February 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

HJGT is geared more towards hacks like me just trying to earn stars and get some tournament experience. It's become impossibly hard to move up on JGS via HJGT because of the plain fact that the strength of field for the bottom 65% of the field is so weak. For non-invitationals/54-hole Hurricane events you can expect the guy in 10th to shoot something like 168-70 for 36 holes. At an AJGA you're in jeopardy of being DFL with that kind of finish

And just a few years ago that wasn't the case. You'd get 5-7 of the top 20 in the state playing hurricane events.  All kids ranked top 200 in JGS.   When Hurricane Tour went nationwide and FJT started increasing number of events and age groups most highly ranked kids stopped playing Hurricane events.  

5 years ago 225 would be outside the top 10 in a 54 hole event.

That begs the question... what's the next big tour in three to five years?

No clue. But guessing Future Champions due to how well they are run and they are pushing to go nationwide. Chris has the support and network to make it happen I think

I agree FCG is pretty awesome.  With support from Callaway, KBS, SkyTrak, etc. Chris has built up a really nice tour.  Very well run events that pull in some great fields for the 13+ year old kids.  We are lucky enough to have played in a few of these events and have qualified for the world championship in July.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 03:21 PM

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 15 February 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View Postethanshapiro, on 15 February 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

HJGT is geared more towards hacks like me just trying to earn stars and get some tournament experience. It's become impossibly hard to move up on JGS via HJGT because of the plain fact that the strength of field for the bottom 65% of the field is so weak. For non-invitationals/54-hole Hurricane events you can expect the guy in 10th to shoot something like 168-70 for 36 holes. At an AJGA you're in jeopardy of being DFL with that kind of finish

And just a few years ago that wasn't the case. You'd get 5-7 of the top 20 in the state playing hurricane events.  All kids ranked top 200 in JGS.   When Hurricane Tour went nationwide and FJT started increasing number of events and age groups most highly ranked kids stopped playing Hurricane events.  

5 years ago 225 would be outside the top 10 in a 54 hole event.

That begs the question... what's the next big tour in three to five years?

No clue. But guessing Future Champions due to how well they are run and they are pushing to go nationwide. Chris has the support and network to make it happen I think

This piqued my interest so I looked up the tour, unless I'm missing something the entire tour is in California?

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 03:51 PM

View PostTimberBeast, on 15 February 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 15 February 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View Postethanshapiro, on 15 February 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

HJGT is geared more towards hacks like me just trying to earn stars and get some tournament experience. It's become impossibly hard to move up on JGS via HJGT because of the plain fact that the strength of field for the bottom 65% of the field is so weak. For non-invitationals/54-hole Hurricane events you can expect the guy in 10th to shoot something like 168-70 for 36 holes. At an AJGA you're in jeopardy of being DFL with that kind of finish

And just a few years ago that wasn't the case. You'd get 5-7 of the top 20 in the state playing hurricane events.  All kids ranked top 200 in JGS.   When Hurricane Tour went nationwide and FJT started increasing number of events and age groups most highly ranked kids stopped playing Hurricane events.  

5 years ago 225 would be outside the top 10 in a 54 hole event.

That begs the question... what's the next big tour in three to five years?

No clue. But guessing Future Champions due to how well they are run and they are pushing to go nationwide. Chris has the support and network to make it happen I think

This piqued my interest so I looked up the tour, unless I'm missing something the entire tour is in California?

Texas, Nevada, Utah and Vancouver added recently.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 05:22 PM

View PostTimberBeast, on 15 February 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 15 February 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

View Postethanshapiro, on 15 February 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

HJGT is geared more towards hacks like me just trying to earn stars and get some tournament experience. It's become impossibly hard to move up on JGS via HJGT because of the plain fact that the strength of field for the bottom 65% of the field is so weak. For non-invitationals/54-hole Hurricane events you can expect the guy in 10th to shoot something like 168-70 for 36 holes. At an AJGA you're in jeopardy of being DFL with that kind of finish

And just a few years ago that wasn't the case. You'd get 5-7 of the top 20 in the state playing hurricane events.  All kids ranked top 200 in JGS.   When Hurricane Tour went nationwide and FJT started increasing number of events and age groups most highly ranked kids stopped playing Hurricane events.  

5 years ago 225 would be outside the top 10 in a 54 hole event.

That begs the question... what's the next big tour in three to five years?

No clue. But guessing Future Champions due to how well they are run and they are pushing to go nationwide. Chris has the support and network to make it happen I think

This piqued my interest so I looked up the tour, unless I'm missing something the entire tour is in California?

Read what I wrote.  They are pushing to go nationwide and are in several states already.  In 3-5 years I think it could be the second best nationwide tournament organization behind the AJGA.

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Posted 15 February 2018 - 08:16 PM

I don’t see junior golf being able to sustain another National Tour.  It isn’t going to matter who is helping sponsor the events.  California, Texas, and Florida make up more than 50% of the juniors playing golf.  There are already well run tours in all of those states for much less of the price of these tours.  When you have more than 50% of your clientele not traveling out of there states to play in a National tour, it just isn’t sustainable.  AJGA is sustainable because if you want to play college golf you have to play in it.  A kid in Florida can play a FJT event and get as good or even better competition than an AJGA open event.  I am sure the same can be said for Texas and California as well.  Hurricane still has a solid reputation.  I don’t see how the FCWT is making it.  Really over priced and not good competition at all.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 09:07 PM

Top 50 Juniors from JGS:
  • International 5
  • CA - 6
  • FL - 8
  • TX - 13
  • Other States - 18 (no other single state has more than 2)


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 10:33 PM

View Postleezer99, on 15 February 2018 - 09:07 PM, said:

Top 50 Juniors from JGS:
  • International 5
  • CA - 6
  • FL - 8
  • TX - 13
  • Other States - 18 (no other single state has more than 2)

Just proved my point.

These same four groups make up 107 of the top 200 spots for boys.  130 of the top 200 girls from these four places.  A staggering number of 46 international female players.  $5 says that most of the internationals train in either Florida or California.

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Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:28 AM

Don't get me wrong, there are good HJGTs, but that is the exception not the rule. Any invitationals or 54 hole events draw good players (mostly from academies) but in your local HJGT in mid March/April you will be top 5 if you shoot in the seventies twice a good 90% of the time.
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Posted 05 March 2018 - 01:32 AM

View Postleezer99, on 15 February 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

View Postiteachgolf, on 15 February 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

View Postleezer99, on 15 February 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

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View Postethanshapiro, on 15 February 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

HJGT is geared more towards hacks like me just trying to earn stars and get some tournament experience. It's become impossibly hard to move up on JGS via HJGT because of the plain fact that the strength of field for the bottom 65% of the field is so weak. For non-invitationals/54-hole Hurricane events you can expect the guy in 10th to shoot something like 168-70 for 36 holes. At an AJGA you're in jeopardy of being DFL with that kind of finish

And just a few years ago that wasn't the case. You'd get 5-7 of the top 20 in the state playing hurricane events.  All kids ranked top 200 in JGS.   When Hurricane Tour went nationwide and FJT started increasing number of events and age groups most highly ranked kids stopped playing Hurricane events.  

5 years ago 225 would be outside the top 10 in a 54 hole event.

That begs the question... what's the next big tour in three to five years?

No clue. But guessing Future Champions due to how well they are run and they are pushing to go nationwide. Chris has the support and network to make it happen I think

I agree FCG is pretty awesome.  With support from Callaway, KBS, SkyTrak, etc. Chris has built up a really nice tour.  Very well run events that pull in some great fields for the 13+ year old kids.  We are lucky enough to have played in a few of these events and have qualified for the world championship in July.

What will make fcg any different than hurricane?

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