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Posted 12 January 2018 - 11:36 PM

I have been gaming the MMB-17 for the year and I have absolutely loved them. Feel great, consistent and accurate. Flight is just right and I couldn't ask more from the club.. so of course I had to test them against the New PTM.

The new PTM are 3 degrees stronger and I shafted the 6 iron head with a Nippon 950GH to match up the MMB-17 6 iron I have. I had some limited time on the simulator but did see some differences but some similarities.

Feel wise I do prefer the MMB-17 just a bit more as a great strike feels effortless. It's a minor difference but it's there. But they both feel fantastic. Looks wise again the MMB-17 is a but sexier.

Size wise the PTM is a big bigger side by side but behind the ball you can't tell which club you are hitting. There is a white scoring line on the bottom of the PTM but that it. Tough to tell which is which.

The PTM is really forgiving and was straight as hell. I had to really put a bad swing to send one off line. Spin numbers of the two clubs was very similar with the MMB-17 being a few hundred rpm lower. Launch was very similar, the PTM being higher but just marginally so and spun a bit more.

I will do a lot more cataloging of numbers as the week goes on but every one that hit it loved the feel and flew straight as could be. They beat the hell out of an AP2 6 iron in dispersion and that was one testers gamer. Even though it was a small sampling it looks like a very solid club.


If you look in the pictures the PTM has the lower white scoring line. I took a snapshot of a typical shot for the two clubs, MMB is first. Launch is close as is spin. When I get on the good Flight scope I'll have a better sampling of average numbers for both clubs.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:44 AM

Looks like the distance is predictable with the loft change.

Side question: have you hit the 1150gh to compare to the 950gh and, if so, what are your thoughts?


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:54 AM

View PostDFinch, on 13 January 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

Looks like the distance is predictable with the loft change.

Side question: have you hit the 1150gh to compare to the 950gh and, if so, what are your thoughts?
Yes so far the gap is as it should be but the spin is still within 6 iron rates.

I have not hit the 1150GH. Through a ton of testing I have found the 95 gram weight class seems to fit a lot of different swings whether it's a graphite shaft for steel. Quite a few guys are shocked when the realize it's a light weight shaft.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:15 AM

View PostPopeye64, on 13 January 2018 - 12:54 AM, said:

View PostDFinch, on 13 January 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

Looks like the distance is predictable with the loft change.

Side question: have you hit the 1150gh to compare to the 950gh and, if so, what are your thoughts?
Yes so far the gap is as it should be but the spin is still within 6 iron rates.

I have not hit the 1150GH. Through a ton of testing I have found the 95 gram weight class seems to fit a lot of different swings whether it's a graphite shaft for steel. Quite a few guys are shocked when the realize it's a light weight shaft.

Good to know. The 1150 is a little bit of an outlier in their line with its bend profile, making it a “riskier” shaft if you can’t test it. I tend to hit super lightweight shafts a too high but get along better with the 110-115 weight class after playing heavier DG earlier in life.

Looking forward to your ongoing testing of the new irons!


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:20 AM

View PostDFinch, on 13 January 2018 - 01:15 AM, said:

View PostPopeye64, on 13 January 2018 - 12:54 AM, said:

View PostDFinch, on 13 January 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

Looks like the distance is predictable with the loft change.

Side question: have you hit the 1150gh to compare to the 950gh and, if so, what are your thoughts?
Yes so far the gap is as it should be but the spin is still within 6 iron rates.

I have not hit the 1150GH. Through a ton of testing I have found the 95 gram weight class seems to fit a lot of different swings whether it's a graphite shaft for steel. Quite a few guys are shocked when the realize it's a light weight shaft.

Good to know. The 1150 is a little bit of an outlier in their line with its bend profile, making it a “riskier” shaft if you can’t test it. I tend to hit super lightweight shafts a too high but get along better with the 110-115 weight class after playing heavier DG earlier in life.

Looking forward to your ongoing testing of the new irons!
Next week I have 4 protype graphite shafts that are pretty ground breaking in their design.. I'll do it with all PTM heads. Should be fun.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:27 AM

hope these protos are the xcaliber - looking to do a PTM/xcaliber set...

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 09:38 AM

View PostPopeye64, on 13 January 2018 - 01:20 AM, said:

View PostDFinch, on 13 January 2018 - 01:15 AM, said:

View PostPopeye64, on 13 January 2018 - 12:54 AM, said:

View PostDFinch, on 13 January 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

Looks like the distance is predictable with the loft change.

Side question: have you hit the 1150gh to compare to the 950gh and, if so, what are your thoughts?
Yes so far the gap is as it should be but the spin is still within 6 iron rates.

I have not hit the 1150GH. Through a ton of testing I have found the 95 gram weight class seems to fit a lot of different swings whether it's a graphite shaft for steel. Quite a few guys are shocked when the realize it's a light weight shaft.

Good to know. The 1150 is a little bit of an outlier in their line with its bend profile, making it a “riskier” shaft if you can’t test it. I tend to hit super lightweight shafts a too high but get along better with the 110-115 weight class after playing heavier DG earlier in life.

Looking forward to your ongoing testing of the new irons!
Next week I have 4 protype graphite shafts that are pretty ground breaking in their design.. I'll do it with all PTM heads. Should be fun.

New xcalibur stuff?  I’ve been holding out waiting....
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:49 PM

Thx for the review and pics!  They do look quite similar looking down at them!

Edited by ode1, 13 January 2018 - 01:51 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 04:29 PM

View Postode1, on 13 January 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

Thx for the review and pics!  They do look quite similar looking down at them!
I could not really tell which one I had in my hands. Even after hitting the ball I could hardly tell. A purely hit MMB goes like a missile and you can't feel it hit the head. A pure strike on the PTM is equally as pleasant to hit. It just goes a bit further.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 08:44 PM

Spend a good hour with this club and I am really starting to enjoy it. After some lengthy range time on the simulator I played Pine Hills South. Used my 3 wood off the tee and had a ton of varying range shots from 180 to 220 into the hole and I used the PTM as much as I could..

First off,, when really stepped on its monster long. A solid, smooth swing goes 205-208. I could take some off of it and get it to go 180 pretty easily, with control.. really ripping it goes stupid far. Yes it was in a simulator and take it with a grain of salt but it was shockingly long.

Feel wise the club is great and very forgiving. Can't wait to play it in the turf.


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Posted 15 January 2018 - 09:18 PM

How strong can they bend the MMB?
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 10:01 PM

View PostMinarets, on 15 January 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

How strong can they bend the MMB?
I'm not sure I would bend them stronger. It's a very solid  club, launches with a penetrating flight. I think they are lofted as they should be. The mid summer launch of the non cavity back may follow suit with the PTM and be stronger lofted. I would call Golfworks to ask how strong they could be bent.

I personally have adjusted the MMBs +and - a degree here and there to get them gapped as I wanted. They bent easily.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 10:01 PM

View PostMinarets, on 15 January 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

How strong can they bend the MMB?

GW will only bend 2*.....they do offer a hand pick service, so theoretically it would be possible to pick heads at 1* strong and then bent 2* strong for a total of 3*.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 10:21 PM

View PostPopeye64, on 15 January 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

Spend a good hour with this club and I am really starting to enjoy it. After some lengthy range time on the simulator I played Pine Hills South. Used my 3 wood off the tee and had a ton of varying range shots from 180 to 220 into the hole and I used the PTM as much as I could..

First off,, when really stepped on its monster long. A solid, smooth swing goes 205-208. I could take some off of it and get it to go 180 pretty easily, with control.. really ripping it goes stupid far. Yes it was in a simulator and take it with a grain of salt but it was shockingly long.

Feel wise the club is great and very forgiving. Can't wait to play it in the turf.

Looking forward to turf testing. Was this still with the 950gh? Iím assuming you were hitting MMBís for your other clubs, so were they giving normal yardages and the PTM stood out? Those are bigger numbers than just the loft change so Iím trying to rule out simulator anomalies.

Great to hear the feel is meeting your expectations. The grind on these should be fantastic on grass.  Theyíve pretty much recreated my old 3-PW Macgregor loft progression but using 4-GW, although I prefer a 21*-50* in eight irons, usually.

Then you have the fact that they are apparently working on a muscle back PTM for later in 2018 which is just...evil. :)

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 10:02 AM

Yes these were with the 950Gh. The MMB had a matching shaft.

I'll check the lofts later, should have done that right away.

I have not lost any distance with an MMB compared to say a DBM or other stronger lofted clubs,  I would assume because they tend to launch lower and a more penetrating flight. But the PTM really jumps off the face. The more I'm hitting the club the more it's a damn rocket ship. My buddy who has a driver SS in the 120 range hits the PTM 230y with ease.



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 02:59 PM

How is the feel of the PTM vs MMB or DBM.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:53 PM

View PostMinarets, on 16 January 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

How is the feel of the PTM vs MMB or DBM.
After spending some time with the PTM I feel it is softer than the DBM and softer still than the MMB. When truly flushed it feels as soft as any club I have hit.

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 09:14 PM

View PostPopeye64, on 16 January 2018 - 07:53 PM, said:

View PostMinarets, on 16 January 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

How is the feel of the PTM vs MMB or DBM.
After spending some time with the PTM I feel it is softer than the DBM and softer still than the MMB. When truly flushed it feels as soft as any club I have hit.

Softer than the DBM and MMB is saying a lot!


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:18 PM

View PostPopeye64, on 16 January 2018 - 07:53 PM, said:

View PostMinarets, on 16 January 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

How is the feel of the PTM vs MMB or DBM.
After spending some time with the PTM I feel it is softer than the DBM and softer still than the MMB. When truly flushed it feels as soft as any club I have hit.
Damn you.  Just went my mind was made up to go DBM ,  y’all start posting pics of the MMBans convince me they aren’t as soft but pretty damn soft and are so so purrrty and then you roll these out and I don’t really care for the looks compared to the other two but you start telling me how soft and long they are.  

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 07:58 PM

Put a graphite shaft in a PTM 6 iron head and it loved it. Feel was spot on and flight was super straight. I was tending to hit them slightly left but it was very consistent.  I took a screen shot of an average of about 8 shots. There were a couple of recorded knuckle balls but I think it was the monitor.

We actually found out that with this simulator the turf is very thin and it's difficult on the long irons to get good spin numbers. As we tested a few other 6 irons and the numbers never got the where they should be for a 6 iron. I thought rest of my testing when ready will be off some thicker turf.  

I let three other hit the PTM and they all loved it. All were high swing speed players and the 75 g graphite shaft worked with everyone,, and it was three different swings.

As you can see the PTM gets out there, but comes down steep. I don't believe these roll out numbers. Posted Image


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 12:46 AM

What graphite shaft were you testing? How much further than the MMB does it seem likes it going now. Great info!!

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:04 AM

View PostGdashoff, on 18 January 2018 - 12:46 AM, said:

What graphite shaft were you testing? How much further than the MMB does it seem likes it going now. Great info!!
It was a prototype shaft that I cant talk about yet. It's performance was eye opening.

Yesterday I didn't hit the MMB but I will today. I did have out local pro hit the the MMB and the PTM with the graphite shaft the distance gap was a good club and a half.

This is how far the pro hit it with a BIG swing,, and it went straight. Posted Image

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:25 AM

Those spin rates are scary low for a 6-iron. Those are 3-wood numbers in launch, spin, ball speed. I hope it's the mat material and/or the monitor. Getting them out on the course will tell a lot.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:00 AM

View PostDFinch, on 18 January 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

Those spin rates are scary low for a 6-iron. Those are 3-wood numbers in launch, spin, ball speed. I hope it's the mat material and/or the monitor. Getting them out on the course will tell a lot.
We had been having a discussion as of late as to the numbers off of that particular mat. He was also hitting his gamer blade and seeing, extremely low spin for a 6 iron. On the posted numbers,, that swing was a monumental swing with a graphite shaft so I doubt the ball was on the face long enough for the shaft to release and the face had to be delofted.. His driver SS is in the 120s.

I'll bring out the Skytrack to the grass range when things melt and see what real world numbers are.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 11:04 AM

Yes, Popeye, let me know how the MMB performs with that shaft. I’m interested.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 03:56 PM

So here is some more data but this time from a Skytrack with a much better mat.

First one is the MMB 6 with the Nippon.
Second is the PTM 6 with a Nippon
Third is the PTM 6 with a 75 g graphite shaft

The spin rates are all 5300 ish, which is decent for indoors. I would expect a bit better numbers off of turf. But the numbers are a lot better than the flight scope booth/mat.

Can't complain about feel or performance at all yet. Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 06:47 PM

What weight is that Nippon ?
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 08:39 PM

That’s much better!


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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:35 PM

View PostMinarets, on 18 January 2018 - 06:47 PM, said:

What weight is that Nippon ?
95 gram. Supposedly a higher flighted shaft.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 10:37 PM

View PostDFinch, on 18 January 2018 - 08:39 PM, said:

That’s much better!
Yah the numbers were bothering me too. I'm glad I went with the Skytrack today


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