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#1 Middler

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:58 AM

I am carrying a driver, 3W, 3H, 4-GW, 56SW and a putter - so I have room for another club. It seems like the likely choices are 60 wedge or a 5W, though I'd be surprised if I'd use either. I hit the ball high, so I can get a 56 plenty high. A 5W seems like it would be the same distance as a 3H, I have a 5W and it sat in the closet all last year.

The other place I wonder about is a gap between my 3H and 4I. Lots of people say hybrids and long irons of the same loft are the same distance, while others say the hybrid will go 5-8 yards longer. If I got a tweener, it would be a 3I, not a 4H. I still have my old 2I, but I'd probably buy one of the new forgiving 3I long irons.

Anyway I am coming back to the game after a long layoff, so any insights could be helpful. No reason not to carry 14 clubs.

Edited by Middler, 12 January 2018 - 09:59 AM.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:01 AM

60 wedge all day. It's one of the scoring clubs.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:04 AM

^^^ what he said
Although after a few rounds with 13 clubs you'd probably figure out what you're missing.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:14 AM

At a 14 handicap, it doesn't seem to me that you need four wedges. 5W and 3H do go about the same distance but with different trajectories. I use both pretty frequently.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 12:25 PM

For me it depends on which course I'm playing. I keep several choices, so the layout of the course, or even in the league which I play on the same course, which nine will be playing on can cause me to take an extra wedge instead of a 7-wood or a 12* driver, or 60 wedge instead etc. It's kind of nice to keep options open depending on course layouts/conditions...


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:23 PM

From your description, I would say bracket test the 5W and 3H side-by-side and see what the distance gap is.

Your RBZ 5W has 18* loft and a 43" shaft (long!!!), while your CLK has a set 19* loft and a 40.75" shaft. The RBZ has a bit stronger loft and 2.25" longer shaft. Although we don't know the comparative head dynamics, the RBZ should go farther - provided you can hit the 5H cleanly.

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You could always add a bit of loft to the 3H if the pair bunches up too much in distance.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:29 PM

You can always think a little outside the box, if you want. You might carry 2 different 56s for different
situations or ..................deep and shallow faced 3 woods, one for the tee and one from the deck....
or maybe 2 drivers, a al Phil, or 2 putters.

If you presently don't feel you have a gap that needs covering there are other things you can do...and
I agree, might as well have 14 clubs in the bag.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:31 PM

What are your distances with all of those clubs? That will be where we identify a gapping issue if there is one...

Most people will put a high lofted wedge like a 60* in for finesse shots around the green. Such as when you're short sided in the rough with not much green to work with. It's safer than opening your 56 up and trying to use it.

That being said, there's a possibility your 3-wood to 3-Hybrid gap could be significant. I know my gap from 3wood (275) to 4 iron (220) used to be significant, hence the adding of a driving iron
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 01:59 PM

Yep, depends on how far you hit your long clubs.  My dad is a short hitter and still sometimes will play the one-up tee (6300-6700) with me.  In that case the longer club works, because he'll hit a lot of fairway woods.  For me, I hit the 5w 230 and 3w 250 (not wrx bragging, it's just dry where I play).  I find that hitting 230 is usually enough distance and I don't use the 3w that often anyway so I shelve it for the extra wedge.  Of course, if I play a 7200 yard course, maybe the 3w would get more use, but maybe not.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 02:05 PM

View PostBomber_11, on 12 January 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

What are your distances with all of those clubs? That will be where we identify a gapping issue if there is one...

Most people will put a high lofted wedge like a 60* in for finesse shots around the green. Such as when you're short sided in the rough with not much green to work with. It's safer than opening your 56 up and trying to use it.

That being said, there's a possibility your 3-wood to 3-Hybrid gap could be significant. I know my gap from 3wood (275) to 4 iron (220) used to be significant, hence the adding of a driving iron
I’m old now, to be honest on a calm day on flat ground, my 3W goes 225, 3H goes 205 and my 4I goes 185 (numbered irons are about 10 yds apart for me).

Edited by Middler, 12 January 2018 - 02:08 PM.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:20 PM

View PostMiddler, on 12 January 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:


No reason not to carry 14 clubs.


One reason could be if you're actually carrying.  Those bad boys can get heavy.  I walk and carry and never lug 14 clubs.

I wouldn't put one in just to put it in.  Perhaps see if a somewhat consistent gap/need arises.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:42 PM

If you are carrying then 13 is a bit lighter. Having clubs with distances too close together can make things confusing. If you are coming back to the game then it's worth playing a bit, make not of shots where you could have used a club that you don't have. You will figure it out.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:37 PM

Scoring is the name of the game. You need scoring clubs. My suggestion would be a lob wedge that was a sure and easy club from the sand. I carry a Maltby ms+ 58* that is magic from any bunker. I wouldn’t leave home without it. Have complete confidence in that club in any situation. Remember, every shot counts no matter how far it travels. Scoring clubs are most important.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 07:19 PM

I think there are great reasons not to carry 14 clubs. Any club you don't hit well, or will temp you into hitting it over a better choice need not in the bag. So many folks' 14th club is a disaster waiting to happen...

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 07:32 PM

Have a gap between my 3w and 4h, irons start at 5i. Just don't miss the 5w all that much, hence 13.  How many shots from over 200 yards am I really thinking I am hitting close? I hit the 4h pretty straight and if it's not enough so be it.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:18 PM

View PostMiddler, on 12 January 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

I am carrying a driver, 3W, 3H, 4-GW, 56SW and a putter - so I have room for another club. It seems like the likely choices are 60 wedge or a 5W, though I'd be surprised if I'd use either. I hit the ball high, so I can get a 56 plenty high. A 5W seems like it would be the same distance as a 3H, I have a 5W and it sat in the closet all last year.

The other place I wonder about is a gap between my 3H and 4I. Lots of people say hybrids and long irons of the same loft are the same distance, while others say the hybrid will go 5-8 yards longer. If I got a tweener, it would be a 3I, not a 4H. I still have my old 2I, but I'd probably buy one of the new forgiving 3I long irons.

Anyway I am coming back to the game after a long layoff, so any insights could be helpful. No reason not to carry 14 clubs.

I currently have that same setup and don't really feel like I'm missing anything with only 13.  Sometimes I put a driving iron in if its windy or a tight course.  It goes about the same distance as the 3 hybrid just more penetrating trajectory.

One thing you may want to look at trying/adding is something that can be a go to fairway finder off the tee.  3w,4w,5w, driving iron whatever you want just get it set up for optimum performance and dependability off the tee. That's what I really want for my 14th- still searching

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:28 PM

If you have room, another wedge with different loft, bounce would be a good choice, IMO. I also liked a previous poster’s suggestion of playing it course based. I play one short course where I carry 2 3ws. One for tee and one for fairway...it works for that course.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:32 PM

I will add this: one nice thing about bagging 13 clubs is that whenever you want to try out a new putter, SW, driver, or any club, you can throw it in the bag and you're still within 14. Many folks don't mind carrying 15 or 16 clubs when trying out clubs, but for some that is a no no.

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 05:36 AM

14th club = another driver in the bag
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 07:15 AM

I might buy a 60 wedge, but I am leaning toward carrying my old 2i with 19 deg loft. I suspect I’d use the latter more often than the former.

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 01:33 PM

Either a 60 degree wedge OR.... swap out the 56 for a 54 and put in a 58 wedge to match. (better gaping)

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Posted 08 February 2018 - 01:47 PM

View PostMiddler, on 12 January 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

I am carrying a driver, 3W, 3H, 4-GW, 56SW and a putter - so I have room for another club. It seems like the likely choices are 60 wedge or a 5W, though I'd be surprised if I'd use either. I hit the ball high, so I can get a 56 plenty high. A 5W seems like it would be the same distance as a 3H, I have a 5W and it sat in the closet all last year.

The other place I wonder about is a gap between my 3H and 4I. Lots of people say hybrids and long irons of the same loft are the same distance, while others say the hybrid will go 5-8 yards longer. If I got a tweener, it would be a 3I, not a 4H. I still have my old 2I, but I'd probably buy one of the new forgiving 3I long irons.

Anyway I am coming back to the game after a long layoff, so any insights could be helpful. No reason not to carry 14 clubs.

I know you are asking what the opinions are out there for a 14th club but you really need to assess this for your own needs. Some of the ideas are good, although I'd recommend staying away from a 60 degree wedge being a middle handicapper, I'm sure you could hit it but I think you'll find it leads to more miscues than it helps. I see nothing wrong with the bag that you are playing as long as using 13 clubs doesn't cost you anything? Sometimes for middle handicappers playing a simpler bag tends to help their games, something to think further about. I play 13 clubs and with the newer lofts on irons I don't feel disadvantaged on most courses I play. I know it's against popular belief with newer irons not to have more scoring clubs but it hasn't negativity impacted my game playing 13.
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 03:02 PM

Given most mid-hi cap golfers lose strokes inside of 100yds, adding another wedge doesn't seem practical.  If for no other reason, it requires a lot of practice that isn't likely to happen.  I suggest a long club... pick your poison.  :beach:
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Posted 08 February 2018 - 03:19 PM

I am always an advocate of carrying one club that is opposite-handed for the times you don't have a swing at the ball. That's if you are looking to fill a spot in your bag.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 05:59 AM

Bump up ^_^

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 07:08 AM

A good 14th Club is a mini driver, if you’re having a bad round with the Big Dog.
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Posted 28 February 2018 - 07:52 AM

Or a driving iron (I play a ping rapture 2). Good into the wind and out of trees when you need to keep it low

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:37 AM

60 degree for sure. As long as you don’t have large distance gaps in your lineup.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:39 AM

I was leaning toward a 60* wedge, but decided against it for now.

The times I'd benefit from a 60 over the 56 I have are almost nil. My 56 goes so high, I can't imagine more loft. If I need to pitch over a trap with no green to work with, the strokes gained between a 56 and a 60 is negligible at my skill level. I'm just going to keep my trusty old 19* 2-iron in the bag for when I need a stinger under a tree or the like, even though it's about the same distance as my 3-hybrid. Like others have said, it's a personal choice for each of us and somewhat course dependent.

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Posted 28 February 2018 - 10:17 AM

who says you need to carry 14?  I only use 13... works for me.    Adding another wedge nothing for you unless you spend the time practicing with it.  At 14 handicap, work on your game a little more and get a little more consistency.... then, you'll be able to tell what you might need to add, if anything.

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