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Are there any conforming wedges with a similar shape to the original PM Callaway grind?


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#1 gentles

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:25 PM

Way back when roger Cleveland first started up with Callaway they released the X-Tour wedge, which was also Callaway's first wedge the the insane mack daddy grooves...the ones where you would be cleaning ball rather than grass out of the grooves. The mack daddy wedges only came in a PM grind....I loved that grind, in particular the way the leading edge sat close to the ground, but at the same time you could expose more bounce by opening the face. I'm wondering if there is anything more recent with the same grind and a relatively normal head shape?

I know I could always just get the current PM model, but I really really hate the way the wedge sets up with the rounded leading edge. The original X tour had a much squarer leading edge, similar to the current MD forged, or the Taylormade Milled Grinds.

The only thing I've seen that comes close is the Ping Glide ES grind - I have a 58 on the way to test out too.

Perhaps forking out the cash for a custom wedge is the way to go? Or could I take a wedge with a full grind and have that applied to it?

wedges-x-tour-vintage-2006___3.png

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:29 PM

Have you looked at any of the TaylorMade wedges with the ATV Grind? It looks kind of similar.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:42 PM

That's easy...the Ping Eye 2 gorge wedges...that's what those wedges were based from and Phil used the originals in the past.

Edited by cgasucks, 11 January 2018 - 08:43 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:48 PM

View Postcgasucks, on 11 January 2018 - 08:42 PM, said:

That's easy...the Ping Eye 2 gorge wedges...that's what those wedges were based from and Phil used the originals in the past.

They’re not really a “Normal” head shape though, they look like the current PM Grind that he said he didn’t like.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:01 PM

I hadn't thought of the ATV grind. I might have to dig around for an old Tour Preferred model as they can be had fairly cheaply these days.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:34 PM

View Postgentles, on 11 January 2018 - 09:01 PM, said:

I hadn't thought of the ATV grind. I might have to dig around for an old Tour Preferred model as they can be had fairly cheaply these days.

I had the original ATV wedges and they worked great, I just didnít like the ugly tail they had. The newer models since then with the ATV Grind look much better. :)

Edited by Pigems, 11 January 2018 - 09:34 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:41 PM

X Tour wedge is USGA legal until 2024.  Pro tours and high level am tournaments excepted.  Why not grab a few off ebay and send them to The Iron Factory for refurbishment.  They will come back like new.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 09:48 PM

View PostNessism, on 11 January 2018 - 09:41 PM, said:

X Tour wedge is USGA legal until 2024.  Pro tours and high level am tournaments excepted.  Why not grab a few off ebay and send them to The Iron Factory for refurbishment.  They will come back like new.

An interesting proposition. Could potentially just get some vintage ones and refinish myself - wouldn't even need to regroove as those grooves are plenty sharp enough for me. Time for some searching!

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:12 PM

Picked up one in excellent condition from global golf 58 had one ten years ago snapped the shaft, lost the head.  Best purchase made in awhile

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:25 PM

I found a 58 and 50 on a local site here in canada for around $70 US for the pair, both vintage finish with tidy looking grooves. Very tempting....trying to decide if I would go all in and get them refinished in chrome (which I prefer), or just tidy up the vintage myself. I love the duller finish you get from blasting, hard to replicate in a DIY finish. Just a matter of deciding if I need another project!

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:28 PM

md2 u grind. fantastic wedge.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 11:33 PM

If you want to try outside the box, try the Omen Prophecy wedges.
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The HT version (right) is similar to Callaway's MD-PM grind wedges - high toe - although with narrower sole.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:15 PM

View Postgentles, on 11 January 2018 - 08:25 PM, said:

Way back when roger Cleveland first started up with Callaway they released the X-Tour wedge, which was also Callaway's first wedge the the insane mack daddy grooves...the ones where you would be cleaning ball rather than grass out of the grooves. The mack daddy wedges only came in a PM grind....I loved that grind, in particular the way the leading edge sat close to the ground, but at the same time you could expose more bounce by opening the face. I'm wondering if there is anything more recent with the same grind and a relatively normal head shape?

I know I could always just get the current PM model, but I really really hate the way the wedge sets up with the rounded leading edge. The original X tour had a much squarer leading edge, similar to the current MD forged, or the Taylormade Milled Grinds.

The only thing I've seen that comes close is the Ping Glide ES grind - I have a 58 on the way to test out too.

Perhaps forking out the cash for a custom wedge is the way to go? Or could I take a wedge with a full grind and have that applied to it?

Attachment wedges-x-tour-vintage-2006___3.png

I lived in Scottsdale when the Mack Daddy was released.  That thing was dirty.  Super tight firm lies, could zip it from 20yds, I just shed a tear.  Glad I got golf balls for free back then.  Been switching between Ping ES and Mizuno T7s for a couple years.  Ping ES looked a bit strange to me at first, but I got over that quickly.  I like them much more then the current PM Grind.

Edited by AmAgain, 12 January 2018 - 09:17 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:40 PM

View PostAmAgain, on 12 January 2018 - 09:15 PM, said:

View Postgentles, on 11 January 2018 - 08:25 PM, said:

Way back when roger Cleveland first started up with Callaway they released the X-Tour wedge, which was also Callaway's first wedge the the insane mack daddy grooves...the ones where you would be cleaning ball rather than grass out of the grooves. The mack daddy wedges only came in a PM grind....I loved that grind, in particular the way the leading edge sat close to the ground, but at the same time you could expose more bounce by opening the face. I'm wondering if there is anything more recent with the same grind and a relatively normal head shape?

I know I could always just get the current PM model, but I really really hate the way the wedge sets up with the rounded leading edge. The original X tour had a much squarer leading edge, similar to the current MD forged, or the Taylormade Milled Grinds.

The only thing I've seen that comes close is the Ping Glide ES grind - I have a 58 on the way to test out too.

Perhaps forking out the cash for a custom wedge is the way to go? Or could I take a wedge with a full grind and have that applied to it?

Attachment wedges-x-tour-vintage-2006___3.png

I lived in Scottsdale when the Mack Daddy was released.  That thing was dirty.  Super tight firm lies, could zip it from 20yds, I just shed a tear.  Glad I got golf balls for free back then.  Been switching between Ping ES and Mizuno T7s for a couple years.  Ping ES looked a bit strange to me at first, but I got over that quickly.  I like them much more then the current PM Grind.

I just pulled the trigger on a Glide 58* ES in decent shape for $40, figured that is a good place to start, and I can compare directly to the 58 SS grind that I currently use. I do prefer the shape of the standard glide - makes me wonder why both the Ping ES and the Callaway PM grind both have such an ugly headshape?! What is it about that grind that suits a rounded leading edge and a funny headshape.

Taylormade 2016 M2 10.5 | Aldila Tour Blue 75x
Taylormade M2 DF 3HL | Paderson Kinetixx TS-F X
Taylormade P790 3i | DG 105 X100 or Callaway Apex 20* | Paderson TS-H X

Taylormade P790 4, P770 5-P | DG AMT X100
Ping Glide 50/54/58 | DG S400
Ping Milled Anser 5


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