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Callaway MD4 vs. Prior Models


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#1 BirdieBirdieX

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 12:41 PM

Looking at the specs on the new MD4 line of wedges and it looks like the head size might be a little smaller than the previous MD3 models? Could anyone confirm or post side by side pics? I've always been a huge Roger Cleveland fan but the MD4 seems oversized to me and a big turnoff.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 12:51 PM

They actually made them slightly smaller, with a straighter leading edge and tighter leading edge radius than the MD3.  They'll be smaller than the MD3.  Quote from Callaway:

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 12:53 PM

 DTown3011, on 10 January 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

They actually made them slightly smaller, with a straighter leading edge and tighter leading edge radius than the MD3.  They'll be smaller than the MD3.  Quote from Callaway:

Our most rigorously tested and Tour-validated wedge ever, leading to a more compact shape, straighter leading edge, and tighter leading-edge radius. The tight radius makes it easy for clean contact on tight lies for maximum spin and control

Great, thank you for posting. I missed that quote in my online reading.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:06 PM

I havenít gotten along well with a Callaway wedge since the X-Series Jaws Iím still gaming. I hope the MD4ís return to a compact look and a soft feeling... but, have about 4 months to go here in Chicago to get out and see :)
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:10 PM

 kuuuuch, on 10 January 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

I haven't gotten along well with a Callaway wedge since the X-Series Jaws I'm still gaming. I hope the MD4's return to a compact look and a soft feeling... but, have about 4 months to go here in Chicago to get out and see :)

Everything I'm reading (and from the pictures) indicate these are a much better model than the MD4 Milled and Forged were. The head shape looks better, tweeking of the grinds look much better and aesthetics overall are more appealing. I have some high hopes for the line and really thinking about bypassing the SM7 (blah!) and giving these a shot this season.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:16 PM

Iím confused why all the wedges have go to straighter leading edges. Personally I think these straight leading edges make opening up wedges look super odd, almost like youíre guaranteed to push it, and in effect, less versatile. I agree with the prior post about the jaws. Those were great wedges, and with the rounded leading edge, you could open the face without it appearing jarring. Am I missing something and are fewer people opening up the face to play shots?

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:59 PM

 elcgolf, on 10 January 2018 - 01:16 PM, said:

I'm confused why all the wedges have go to straighter leading edges. Personally I think these straight leading edges make opening up wedges look super odd, almost like you're guaranteed to push it, and in effect, less versatile. I agree with the prior post about the jaws. Those were great wedges, and with the rounded leading edge, you could open the face without it appearing jarring. Am I missing something and are fewer people opening up the face to play shots?
I'm with you 100% on this but apparently we are in the minority.  :dntknw:

Those Jaws wedges also had a fair amount of offset which is blasphemy on WRX.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:02 PM

 BirdieBirdieX, on 10 January 2018 - 01:10 PM, said:

 kuuuuch, on 10 January 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

I haven't gotten along well with a Callaway wedge since the X-Series Jaws I'm still gaming. I hope the MD4's return to a compact look and a soft feeling... but, have about 4 months to go here in Chicago to get out and see :)

Everything I'm reading (and from the pictures) indicate these are a much better model than the MD4 Milled and Forged were. The head shape looks better, tweeking of the grinds look much better and aesthetics overall are more appealing. I have some high hopes for the line and really thinking about bypassing the SM7 (blah!) and giving these a shot this season.

Huh?
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:08 PM

 elcgolf, on 10 January 2018 - 01:16 PM, said:

I'm confused why all the wedges have go to straighter leading edges. Personally I think these straight leading edges make opening up wedges look super odd, almost like you're guaranteed to push it, and in effect, less versatile. I agree with the prior post about the jaws. Those were great wedges, and with the rounded leading edge, you could open the face without it appearing jarring. Am I missing something and are fewer people opening up the face to play shots?

I feel the exact opposite on straight vs. round leading edge, I don't think it has anything to do with people not playing open faced shots. I prefer a straight leading edge on my wedges and I rarely use them for shots without a little face manipulation. I feel like a rounded leading edge makes it hard to visualize what way the face is pointing, and I have a hard time syncing up my stance with the face angle. I like when I open the face of a wedge with a straight leading edge, it looks open to me. It gives me a little more confidence that I have my feet set up correctly to hit the shot I'm visualizing.

Just an example of what works for someone doesn't necessarily mean it's the same for everyone. There are no universals in golf.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:20 PM

 jonn443, on 10 January 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

 BirdieBirdieX, on 10 January 2018 - 01:10 PM, said:

 kuuuuch, on 10 January 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

I haven't gotten along well with a Callaway wedge since the X-Series Jaws I'm still gaming. I hope the MD4's return to a compact look and a soft feeling... but, have about 4 months to go here in Chicago to get out and see :)

Everything I'm reading (and from the pictures) indicate these are a much better model than the MD4 Milled and Forged were. The head shape looks better, tweeking of the grinds look much better and aesthetics overall are more appealing. I have some high hopes for the line and really thinking about bypassing the SM7 (blah!) and giving these a shot this season.

Huh?

Sorry, there was a typo. I was talking about the old MD3 Milled and Forged line.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:44 PM

I am like one of the previous posters, in that I feel a straighter leading edge helps with my alignment when opening up the face of the wedge.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:58 PM

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I haven't gotten along well with a Callaway wedge since the X-Series Jaws I'm still gaming. I hope the MD4's return to a compact look and a soft feeling... but, have about 4 months to go here in Chicago to get out and see :)
[/quote]

Everything I'm reading (and from the pictures) indicate these are a much better model than the MD4 Milled and Forged were. The head shape looks better, tweeking of the grinds look much better and aesthetics overall are more appealing. I have some high hopes for the line and really thinking about bypassing the SM7 (blah!) and giving these a shot this season.
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Huh?
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Sorry, there was a typo. I was talking about the old MD3 Milled and Forged line.
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Ohhh... gotcha.

I think the MD2 TG was the best wedge ever released since the original X-Forged.

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I haven't gotten along well with a Callaway wedge since the X-Series Jaws I'm still gaming. I hope the MD4's return to a compact look and a soft feeling... but, have about 4 months to go here in Chicago to get out and see :)
[/quote]

Everything I'm reading (and from the pictures) indicate these are a much better model than the MD4 Milled and Forged were. The head shape looks better, tweeking of the grinds look much better and aesthetics overall are more appealing. I have some high hopes for the line and really thinking about bypassing the SM7 (blah!) and giving these a shot this season.
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Huh?
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Sorry, there was a typo. I was talking about the old MD3 Milled and Forged line.
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Ohhh... gotcha.

I think the MD2 TG was the best wedge ever released since the original X-Forged.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:22 PM

I like the look and shape of Cally wedges but my old MD2's really lacked spin.

With the murdered out stealth look of the SM7's, I'm not sure anything is going to top that.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:26 PM

View PostZ1ggy16, on 10 January 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:

I like the look and shape of Cally wedges but my old MD2's really lacked spin.

With the murdered out stealth look of the SM7's, I'm not sure anything is going to top that.

Doesn't seem like the SM7 offers anything different than the SM6 besides the lack of a couple drops of white and red paint fill on the black wedges. Why wouldn't you just buy SM6's and take the paintfill out with a Q-Tip of acetone? Probably save you $50/wedge.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:57 PM

MD4 is insane. I gamed the forged all last season and thought the feel from them was excellent and far superior to anything Vokey ever produced. Callaway went above and beyond with the new MD4. The new x grind in 58 is absolutely perfect for those who like to hit a bunch of odd shots around the green. As a gear whore i usually replace wedges like underwear. These wont go anywhere.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:01 PM

Hit them today.  Still thought they had a very round leading edge.  Felt good.  Liked the X grind with the fwd bounce like the Vokey V grind.  Still very round oval looking shape from bottom to top.  Felt great pitching the the 2018 Chrome Soft and Chrome Soft X.  Wish they would bring the 588 look back like the X Tour's.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:03 PM

The new ball is insane right? I loved it.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:26 PM

I dunno brothers. The md forged will a little of that rust on it is just incredible. I donít think Iíll ever get rid of my 50
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 08:17 PM

there gonna be a md4 forged?

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:12 PM

Not that i have heard of. But a lot of good products on the way from callaway


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:37 PM

Isn’t this just a milled MD2 TG? And added weight ports and moved the CG up the face a little for more feel from a milled wedge?
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:55 PM

View Postjonn443, on 10 January 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

I think the MD2 TG was the best wedge ever released since the original X-Forged.

I agree. Pity they only released the 52, 56, and 58 where I live. I would have loved a 54 and 60 as well.

View PostBelmont148, on 10 January 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

Isn’t this just a milled MD2 TG? And added weight ports and moved the CG up the face a little for more feel from a milled wedge?

Certainly looks similar in shape at address. Not that that is a bad thing. ;)

View Postruffellprefley, on 10 January 2018 - 08:17 PM, said:

there gonna be a md4 forged?

I really hope so. The MD Forged was released in Japan several months before the US market, in Ooct/Nov 2016 IIRC. So I'm hoping we'll see the MD4 Forged here by autumn 2018. That would be perfect, because I think some of my MD2s are getting a bit worn.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:28 AM

These look great, but I'm still loving my Mack Daddy Forged wedges. Can't think of any reason they'd get knocked out of the bag.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:29 AM

If the MD4 line is well received, an MD4 Forged is the natural progression and more than likely, imminent. Personally, I will not game the MD4 as a cast option.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:31 AM

View PostHifade, on 11 January 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

If the MD4 line is well received, an MD4 Forged is the natural progression and more than likely, imminent. Personally, I will not game the MD4 as a cast option.
Too many Tour players using the cast option for your liking?

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:38 AM

Hopefully they offer more grinds and bounce options for any future Forged Options

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:42 AM

View PostPowderedToastMan, on 11 January 2018 - 10:31 AM, said:

View PostHifade, on 11 January 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

If the MD4 line is well received, an MD4 Forged is the natural progression and more than likely, imminent. Personally, I will not game the MD4 as a cast option.
Too many Tour players using the cast option for your liking?

I couldn't care less what the tour players are playing. Besides, in most cases, their staffers are paid to play.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 11:32 AM

I respect your opinion, I just donít see companies really caring about forged wedges going forward.

99% of golfers canít actually tell the difference between a cast wedge and a forged one anyway. I completely believe they could cast a wedge and then stamp forged on it and everyone would claim how soft it feels because they think itís forged. Castings have become extemely good. The MD4 feels terrific. Itís a shame to completely write it off because of the way it was made.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 12:00 PM

View PostJDSPGA, on 11 January 2018 - 11:32 AM, said:

I respect your opinion, I just don't see companies really caring about forged wedges going forward.

99% of golfers can't actually tell the difference between a cast wedge and a forged one anyway. I completely believe they could cast a wedge and then stamp forged on it and everyone would claim how soft it feels because they think it's forged. Castings have become extemely good. The MD4 feels terrific. It's a shame to completely write it off because of the way it was made.

........and so much, regarding feel and performance, also has to do with the shaft, too. For me, coming from the MD2's, the MD3's felt horrible even when installing my go to wedge shafts. Therefore, while I agree with you for the most part, I'll wait to see if the rumors of a forged MD4 are accurate or not. In the meantime, I have a stockpile of MD2's in 54* and 58* and a couple of each of the MD Forged which will suffice for now. Besides, here is a custom treatment I did to my MD Forged wedges, along with Modus3 Tour 125 shafts and red SuperStroke grips, that I'm digging' on.

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Edited by Hifade, 11 January 2018 - 01:15 PM.

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CALLAWAY ROGUE SZ 9* - GD BLACK AD DI-6x
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TAYLORMADE TOUR RED SPYDER - CUSTOM
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 12:03 PM

Fair enough! Canít go wrong with either of those options for the time being!

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