Shilgy, on 12 January 2018 - 10:47 PM, said:
Valtiel, on 12 January 2018 - 07:18 AM, said:
lowheel, on 12 January 2018 - 06:48 AM, said:
Shilgy, on 10 January 2018 - 10:59 PM, said:
The comforting thing for Tiger is that the same guys that said, in absolutely unequivocal terms, Tiger would never have the speed to compete on tour any longer are now the ones saying it will cause his back to fail. Or.... If they're wrong on that the chip yips from a while back will get him. Or....
It's like watching guys throw a million darts at the board and then exulting if they finally get a bulls eye.
Shil, I too have read scattered comments like the ones you've mentioned about tiger. However it's a 2 way street. I personally never doubted he would get his speed back ( maybe not the extra gear) but more how sustainable it would be and if he would benefit from a strict shorter schedule. My biggest concern that I shared with you months ago was and is his short game (putting included) and his lack of edge on anyone on tour. I'm really happy he's finally using better equipment and embracing trackman. Playing in the Bahamas heat versus cold muggy Cali weather will tell us a lot about his game. I know you think it's impossible that he's flawed or has weaknesses in his game but he does and let's not forget Father Time, he waits for no one. Expressing a concern over his current weaknesses that crept into his game over the last decade is fair game, I don't see how you don't feel this way. Are you so sure he will prove anyone who dares question his durability or game wrong? Can we ignore what happened the last decade?What in your opinion is fair to be concerned with or critical of in this comeback attempt? Your last sentence makes anyone on here who has doubts about what he can accomplish from here on out as the desperate ones on here, however tiger fans and loyalists can't even engage in the smallest amount of cautious criticism or cautious optimism. It's like they woke up from a coma they were in since 2008 and think nothing's changed. I think your post was purposely coy, like saying your side does it but mine doesn't! Sure there are people wishing him bad stuff but most is reasonable concerns and issues with his game. Belated happy new year to you
I still maintain that normal criticism is and always will be just fine, I doubt that is what Shilgy has problems with. Its the "LOL hes done"s and the "He has no mental toughness anymore"s that are obnoxious because they aren't criticisms, they're just baseless hyperbole because some people loving seeing the mighty fall and are probably frustrated that he refuses to stay down.
I've voiced plenty of simple concerns, primarily after his second comeback when I said that I thought he end up right back on his a$$ again if he kept swinging his driver like the ball was John Feinstein, no one other than Feinstein had a problem with that!
Its just the people that waltz in to conversations, stir the pot with an inflammatory remark, and then snicker at everyone while they insist that they can't take "criticism".
Exactly. I've said many times we still have no idea what Tiger has left. I will maintain that if truly healthy he will likely win again. I'm not in the "if it's not a major it does not count" camp as I feel most players win majors at approximately their normal run rate. Andy North excluded.
It's the guys that are throwing darts that bug me. About any player. With Tiger they trot out the same tired comments about pancakes and what not. The comments this year will go something like.... Well he still hasn't won.... Ok he won once....oh, he's won a few times but not a major..... Yeah he's won one more but he's still behind Jack by 3...2...1...... He's lucky he never had to play Trevino and Palmer...... Oh crap, fire hydrant trophy.
Do I really think that's what will happen? Probably not. But there's not a player ever on tour that had about 50% of the crowd so damn happy win or lose. Half will be glad if he wins and half will exult if he does not.
I actually started to type something about "moving the goalposts" but I thought you might touch on that, heh.
It will be a natural reaction to the other side of the fence which will be hurriedly inscribing Tiger's name on all future trophies once he manages to pick up another win. I get it. The doomsayers probably get a lot of their snark from the disinformation campaigns that have come out of Tiger's camp over the years. You can only say "i'm pain free/striping it/feeling explosive/killer traj/worst ball 66" so many times before people stop buying the sales pitch when it ends in going back under the knife again. IMO a little honesty would have gone a long way in the vein of "I have this problem and we have several solutions to explore. We're gonna try the least invasive first. If that doesn't work then we'll try it again. If it still doesn't work then we're going with the more invasive option that we feel will give us the best chance but we're saving that for last, wish me luck!" instead of the back and forth of "i'm fine/I can't walk".
I still maintain that if he stays healthy that he'll definitely at least pick up another win or two, MAYBE a major if the healthy streak lasts more than a few years.
As a side note, I do wonder if the fusion should have been performed right from the get go. It sure seems like the several discectomies were a big waste of time in terms of what it bought him vs. recovery time.
Edited by Valtiel, 13 January 2018 - 02:23 AM.